VN Ren'Py The East Block [v0.8.3] [Bobbyboy Productions]

[exazubi]

What?
Of course the theme is about "that"...
But, the dev has given us, the reader, via Luke and Kathryn, the control on what is and is not 'acceptable'.
And for Luke, separate of my own thoughts, it should be objectively clear to Kathryn that Luke's dad is so far out of bounds that calling it common sense is an understatement...

Even on the cheating route, Kathryn has not been malicious toward Luke (outside of reader controlled Pat interactions), intentionally trying to hurt him.
She knows cheating with Pat will destroy Luke, and that's why she's crying if the reader chooses that route...
She knows what she's done is so wrong, so unforgivable, she's crying out of fear, overwhelming guilt.

I'm curious to see what the developer does with it, too. But on that cheating route, he can't put the toothpaste back in the tube without making this story even more ridiculously unbelievable... There's no way Luke let's this go with Kathryn crying out of obvious guilt. Luke would have to be completely insane and unbelievably trusting to believe nothing happened between Kathryn and Pat. And there's no in character way Luke forgives Kathryn for that... Luke would be done, walk out, or close the door in Kathryn's face...

On the non-cheating route, which I played/preferred, Kathryn is much more upbeat, happy, so while Luke may have trust issues for a while, it's at least believable for Luke's character to eventually get over it when Kathryn says nothing happened.

Yes, of course it would be a catastrophe for Luke if he found out. But I wouldn't be so sure that it would necessarily be the end for Kathryn. However, Luke's cuckold fantasies, which we can also act out, can also get out of control and lead to similar results. Either way, the couple's relationship will be put to a massive test. And so will we as players. We will constantly be tempted.

The game is heavily story-driven. I think if we choose to cheat, the developer will give us the option of whether Kath confesses to Luke that she slept with Pat. And depending on how we vote, various things can develop. I have many ideas. Whether right now, or later, by chance: Luke will find out sooner or later. and then...

Well. The game will offer plenty of surprises, drama, and of course, great sex. And I think all the other routes will be well represented too. There'll be something for everyone.

 

[exazubi]

I thought that was going to be the major overarching theme that influences the NTR and NTS aspect but Chapter really put a damper on all the other potential story lines when it hard coded the Father-In-Law cheating route.

But that's not the case at all. The only thing that's firmly integrated, because it's obviously part of the main story, is the date with Pat. Whether Kath sleeps with him or not is entirely up to us.

This is exactly the same as the scene with the glory hole on the beach. We can't prevent Kath from ending up there, but we decide whether she gets down on her knees and does what she can there. It's the same with the shop window. We can't prevent the situation itself, but we decide what she makes of it. Every chapter so far has had a situation like this. And when things got really serious, we always had a choice. I don't think that will ever change. Because that's what makes the game what it is.

If you prefer cuckold content, you'll definitely get your money's worth. You just need to be patient; not all scenes can be shown at the same time. The developer has simply added more options than you've seen before, that's all. Everything you like is still there.

 

[redoubt27]

Yes, of course it would be a catastrophe for Luke if he found out. But I wouldn't be so sure that it would necessarily be the end for Kathryn. However, Luke's cuckold fantasies, which we can also act out, can also get out of control and lead to similar results. Either way, the couple's relationship will be put to a massive test. And so will we as players. We will constantly be tempted.

Story wise, if a reader has chosen to have Kat cheat with Pat, the story of course doesn't have to end...
Put to a test? Kat cheating with Pat, there is no relationship...there never was a relationship...and there certainly isn't one worth salvaging...

The game is heavily story-driven. I think if we choose to cheat, the developer will give us the option of whether Kath confesses to Luke that she slept with Pat. And depending on how we vote, various things can develop. I have many ideas. Whether right now, or later, by chance: Luke will find out sooner or later. and then...

I agree. I think the reader will have the option to have Kat confess, or not... And that will be a mistake, imho. If Kat tries to deny it or directly lie, it will betray her nature and character to this point. The story could also have Luke be 'oblivious' to Kat's obvious emotional state. I also think it would be a mistake to let the reader 'control' Luke's reaction here... I think on either path, Luke should have serious trust issues with Kat at this point in the story and have serious doubts about the strength of their relationship... But, like similar situations, stories, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Kat written in such a way that she'd gaslight the fuck out of Luke so the NTR bullshit with Pat can continue...

There'll be something for everyone.

Doubtful...
On the Kat cheat with Pat path, anything short of Luke walking away, murdering Pat, then sharing Rebecca with Alex in prison during conjugal visits, then, and only then, will there be something for everyone...

 

[Dessolos]

On the Kat cheat with Pat path, anything short of Luke walking away, murdering Pat, then sharing Rebecca with Alex in prison during conjugal visits, then, and only then, will there be something for everyone...

truth be told even if I was a NTR fan ( im not) id probably actually forgive Kat given the choice. Yeah cheating with Pat is horrible but Id be able to forgive her since I saw in the scene from a player pov there was a hint or remorse , that it wasn't done with the intention to hurt the MC but she just randomly lacked self control. Probably cause the horny drug decided it was time for it to work randomly again for no reason god I hate the horny drug in this game seems too random.

Helps besides Kath I would only be interested in Claire so I would need to find a reason to forgive Kath even if I couldn't forgive her cause she is really the only reason I play this game. Not like all of a sudden we will get a proper Claire path.

 

[redoubt27]

truth be told even if I was a NTR fan ( im not) id probably actually forgive Kat given the choice. Yeah cheating with Pat is horrible but Id be able to forgive her since I saw in the scene from a player pov there was a hint or remorse , that it wasn't done with the intention to hurt the MC but she just randomly lacked self control. Probably cause the horny drug decided it was time for it to work randomly again for no reason god I hate the horny drug in this game seems too random.

Helps besides Kath I would only be interested in Claire so I would need to find a reason to forgive Kath even if I couldn't forgive her cause she is really the only reason I play this game. Not like all of a sudden we will get a proper Claire path.

Oh, no doubt NTR fans (whatever their motivation) would choose to have Luke forgive her immediately.
But, I'm looking at it from Luke's perspective/character thus far in the story, his NTR fetish...
He already pulled back from it with Kat before going to the date with Pat.
And if Luke would be ok with Kat possibly 'cheating' with others, the one person he would not be ok with, is Pat.
Yeah, I hate the horny drug excuse. But even with that, I don't see Luke, who just pulled back from his fetish, would be so quickly forgiving, if at all, about Kat going too far with Pat. And I don't see him believing her at all with her crying at the door...

I see Luke leaving, or making Kat leave (who goes to Pat), or they still live together, but 'separated' in house. In that story line, Kat could absolutely continue with Pat... but I don't see Luke being 'ok' with it at all... And it will royally piss me off to see Kat try to improve Pat and Luke's relationship while she's fucking Pat... I don't see Kat being an evil bitch, and I'd hate to see that character turn for her. But, if that's the way it goes, that's the way it goes...

Any way, like so many other stories, can speculate until pigs fly...lol We'll only know when the next update or two comes out.

 

[Wilson/Alex]

Hate to tell you, but that's exactly what is going to happen. NTR can't happen if the MC suddenly just says "na, fuck you bitch, we're done". That'd be hilarious, but it simply won't happen. Dev will pull something out of his ass, and NTR fans won't care because all they want is to see MC suffering more while she cheats on him.

No, you're wrong, NTR fans like how other men fuck Katrin, not how Luke suffers. They don't care about Luke. But the fact that other men fuck Katrin is no.

 

[redoubt27]

No, you're wrong, NTR fans like how other men fuck Katrin, not how Luke suffers. They don't care about Luke. But the fact that other men fuck Katrin is no.

You are right to a degree, they don't care about Luke, and they love having other men fuck Kat.
But, there is a significant portion of NTR fans that would enjoy making, watching Luke suffer, by having Kat continue to fuck Pat... There are plenty of comments/posts from NTR fans that acknowledge they get off on making the MC/husband/bf suffer...

 

[nonotme101]

I prefer when the husband enjoys being humiliated by his wife and numerous lovers and he accepts he's no more than a cream pie eating beta boy who occasionally sucks dick

 

[whoabacha]

You are right to a degree, they don't care about Luke, and they love having other men fuck Kat.
But, there is a significant portion of NTR fans that would enjoy making, watching Luke suffer, by having Kat continue to fuck Pat... There are plenty of comments/posts from NTR fans that acknowledge they get off on making the MC/husband/bf suffer...

That's a cuckold fetish....

 

[Enlight432]

No, you're wrong, NTR fans like how other men fuck Katrin, not how Luke suffers. They don't care about Luke. But the fact that other men fuck Katrin is no.

Hey there, Netorare fans fall into several categories; they are not just a single group

• The Masochist: These individuals identify with the MC. They are aroused by a proven scientific principle known as "hormonal conflict"—I apologize, I cannot recall the exact scientific term, but this is a close synonym—which is why the MC's suffering is vital to them
• The Sadist: For these individuals, the MC's suffering is also vital, but they do not identify with the MC. They enjoy the fact that he is being destroyed in every conceivable way
• The Female Protagonist: These individuals do not care about the MC at all; only the FMC matters to them, and they play the game from her perspective
• The Observer: These individuals do not identify with anyone; they merely view the story as a third party

If we observe closely, the third and fourth categories did not enjoy the Netorare portion of this update because the NTR tension was not properly built up, and Kathryn lacked compelling reasons for her betrayal

However, the first and second categories did enjoy it. In their own gameplay, they had no interest in the MC's relationships with other women; therefore, it is likely that in their playthroughs, the MC has not cheated. Consequently, when Kathryn cheats, they see the MC as a victim—someone who did not deserve this fate. From their perspective, Kathryn has committed a massive betrayal because she had no justification and cheated solely out of lust. In their view, the MC is completely humiliated, which is why they were fully satisfied with this update

 

[Dessolos]

Hey there, Netorare fans fall into several categories; they are not just a single group

• The Masochist: These individuals identify with the MC. They are aroused by a proven scientific principle known as "hormonal conflict"—I apologize, I cannot recall the exact scientific term, but this is a close synonym—which is why the MC's suffering is vital to them
• The Sadist: For these individuals, the MC's suffering is also vital, but they do not identify with the MC. They enjoy the fact that he is being destroyed in every conceivable way
• The Female Protagonist: These individuals do not care about the MC at all; only the FMC matters to them, and they play the game from her perspective
• The Observer: These individuals do not identify with anyone; they merely view the story as a third party

If we observe closely, the third and fourth categories did not enjoy the Netorare portion of this update because the NTR tension was not properly built up, and Kathryn lacked compelling reasons for her betrayal

However, the first and second categories did enjoy it. In their own gameplay, they had no interest in the MC's relationships with other women; therefore, it is likely that in their playthroughs, the MC has not cheated. Consequently, when Kathryn cheats, they see the MC as a victim—someone who did not deserve this fate. From their perspective, Kathryn has committed a massive betrayal because she had no justification and cheated solely out of lust. In their view, the MC is completely humiliated, which is why they were fully satisfied with this update

hmmm this is an interesting read cause I fall under The Female Protagonist yet I don't like NTR at all in most games only some , this is one I hate the idea of NTR being in it but I accept it. The only reason for me to view NTR scenes is to see more Kathryn.

 

[Enlight432]

hmmm this is an interesting read cause I fall under The Female Protagonist yet I don't like NTR at all in most games only some , this is one I hate the idea of NTR being in it but I accept it. The only reason for me to view NTR scenes is to see more Kathryn.

Yes, perhaps I didn't express myself clearly; I didn't mean to imply that all "female protagonist" fans are necessarily NTR fans

To put it more clearly: a segment of NTR fans who are completely indifferent to the MC and focus solely on the female character. Some are drawn to the "hot" scenes—typically hardcore NTR—while others are interested in the "corruption" arc, specifically the transformation of a pure girl into someone "fully corrupted." Others still are motivated by their affection for the FMC and a desire to see her sex life unfold

 

[Dessolos]

Yes, perhaps I didn't express myself clearly; I didn't mean to imply that all "female protagonist" fans are necessarily NTR fans

To put it more clearly: a segment of NTR fans who are completely indifferent to the MC and focus solely on the female character. Some are drawn to the "hot" scenes—typically hardcore NTR—while others are interested in the "corruption" arc, specifically the transformation of a pure girl into someone "fully corrupted." Others still are motivated by their affection for the FMC and a desire to see her sex life unfold

Nah I got it I just found the entire post interesting to to read . But specially about the The Female Protagonis part even tho this was made in relation to NTR. It's basically how how I play any game NTR or not if there is choices for a FMC character. Just with a bit of a difference for me where I don't care so much about the corruption or hot scenes unless there is good build up to it.

I just enjoy things from the FMC pov more I would say that kind of extends to games that are only from the Male MC pov too. Because I tend to almost never care about the MC but see him as tool to get to know other characters. I only care about the LI / female characters. Only time I switch to caring for the Male MC is when I get enough build up and im looking forward to a hot scene unfold.

 

[NewGuy2022]

truth be told even if I was a NTR fan ( im not) id probably actually forgive Kat given the choice. Yeah cheating with Pat is horrible but Id be able to forgive her since I saw in the scene from a player pov there was a hint or remorse , that it wasn't done with the intention to hurt the MC but she just randomly lacked self control. Probably cause the horny drug decided it was time for it to work randomly again for no reason god I hate the horny drug in this game seems too random.

Helps besides Kath I would only be interested in Claire so I would need to find a reason to forgive Kath even if I couldn't forgive her cause she is really the only reason I play this game. Not like all of a sudden we will get a proper Claire path.

I see your point but as the player I don't think I could forgive her *because* it involved Pat. Cheat with the homeless guy? A neighbor? Some rando in the park? All of those would be tolerable, esp. if we're in a tit-for-tat situation. But *Pat*? That would be the Rubicon, if only for me... The fact she showed remorse would reinforce to me that even she understood just what a dealbreaker that was.

And I share your disdain for the whole horny drug B.S. It's like another AVN I'm following that uses "brain damage" as an excuse for anything and everything...

 

[Dessolos]

I see your point but as the player I don't think I could forgive her *because* it involved Pat. Cheat with the homeless guy? A neighbor? Some rando in the park? All of those would be tolerable, esp. if we're in a tit-for-tat situation. But *Pat*? That would be the Rubicon, if only for me... The fact she showed remorse would reinforce to me that even she understood just what a dealbreaker that was.

And I share your disdain for the whole horny drug B.S. It's like another AVN I'm following that uses "brain damage" as an excuse for anything and everything...

under normal circumstances I would agree with you if I saw Kathryn as any LI / FMC I only somewhat like but don't love their character however I like Kathryn more than your average LI that I do like. So in this game im hyper focused on Kathryn where she is the only thing that matters to me so I want to eat up all the content I can with her even stuff I don't like.

So while Pat is unforgiveable and is the ultimate betrayal she can do , I can see enough positive in her reactions to what she has done where I can forgive her as a player especially cause I don't self insert.

 

[MZy321]

Yes, perhaps I didn't express myself clearly; I didn't mean to imply that all "female protagonist" fans are necessarily NTR fans

To put it more clearly: a segment of NTR fans who are completely indifferent to the MC and focus solely on the female character. Some are drawn to the "hot" scenes—typically hardcore NTR—while others are interested in the "corruption" arc, specifically the transformation of a pure girl into someone "fully corrupted." Others still are motivated by their affection for the FMC and a desire to see her sex life unfold

Very good. As an NTR player, I agree with most of what was said. I personally like it when the MC and FMC are deeply in love, but she slowly and very reluctantly starts to give in to another guy’s advances — even better if he’s the MC’s enemy. It starts with small lies, and she denies feeling attracted to the MC’s enemy. In the end, when she’s completely corrupted, she would be capable of killing the MC for the other guy. For me, that is perfect NTR

 

[NewGuy2022]

under normal circumstances I would agree with you if I saw Kathryn as any LI / FMC I only somewhat like but don't love their character however I like Kathryn more than your average LI that I do like. So in this game im hyper focused on Kathryn where she is the only thing that matters to me so I want to eat up all the content I can with her even stuff I don't like.

So while Pat is unforgiveable and is the ultimate betrayal she can do , I can see enough positive in her reactions to what she has done where I can forgive her as a player especially cause I don't self insert.

Well, if that's your focus then I understand why you say what you do. More sex for Kath, with more and more people, is what I guess you want and Luke forgiving her for some reason I guess contributes to that.

I don't see myself as self-inserting, I merely tried to view things from Luke's perspective. I have trouble seeing how Luke would be okay with overt betrayal like that but... ...to each their own. Enjoy your game.

 

[Dessolos]

Well, if that's your focus then I understand why you say what you do. More sex for Kath, with more and more people, is what I guess you want and Luke forgiving her for some reason I guess contributes to that.

I don't see myself as self-inserting, I merely tried to view things from Luke's perspective. I have trouble seeing how Luke would be okay with overt betrayal like that but... ...to each their own. Enjoy your game.

Well to be clear Luke forgiving her on that path would never be my main path as I wouldn't let her cheat anyways. It's my content save. Only characters I really like alot get content saves when it comes to NTR otherwise I skip NTR content in sharing games I play or plan too play. But yeah that's more or less my thoughts on why I would forgive her and be able to do it if it was my main save. Tho Luke forgiving her for me wouldn't simply be about seeing more sex with her just I don't like the thought of them breaking up if it can be avoided. Because of how much I like her on my other saves , if and when they break up might be when I delete my NTR save as I don't think I could handle them being separated for good would be just to sad to see , this of course assuming it happens before the ending of the game.


But yeah I tend to have a hard time to see things from a MC's pov cause I don't care about them in most games. Also sorry for assuming you self insert you just gave me that impression with some post ive seen from you in the past.

 

[Freedom9555]

I see your point but as the player I don't think I could forgive her *because* it involved Pat. Cheat with the homeless guy? A neighbor? Some rando in the park? All of those would be tolerable, esp. if we're in a tit-for-tat situation. But *Pat*? That would be the Rubicon, if only for me... The fact she showed remorse would reinforce to me that even she understood just what a dealbreaker that was.

And I share your disdain for the whole horny drug B.S. It's like another AVN I'm following that uses "brain damage" as an excuse for anything and everything...

But how does Luke even know she cheated?

 

[mindexcursion]

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