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I just hope the next update has some good scenes I like. Lately I been replaying some scenes even ones that aren't my favorite or im not a fan of just because I was in the mood to view some sharing stuff or Kathryn scenes just so im not always re watching the same scene.

I probably watched the glory hole scene to many times just cause I did find the build up to it hotter than the scene with the flasher. Also the chef stops the flasher from finishing
 

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Either way they argue and that was what upset me.

Last update was literally nothing for me.
You should have let her go with Pat on her own. That is the best sharing cuck outcome. It's the one I chose anyway for that path, where Luke doesn't cheat.

I don't really want to follow a netorare route in this game, just straight up cheating by both characters is what I prefer. Both of them gradually suspecting the other, before they eventually split up ( I assume). So one good outcome, one bad.

Clem says that the drug can make people cranky as a side effect, so maybe we can see the arguing as a partial consequence of that? And all couples can have bad periods, and Luke and Kathryn are in a fairly extreme situation, so you can't expect them to be happy all the time. I personally don't think it will make any difference long term on that route. I think it will have a positive ending, and Luke will eventually come to terms with his current demons.
 

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I'm pretty much done with this game now, it's moved too far from the NTS/NTR-lite content that I can enjoy

but the Franklin 'just the tip' two animations and dialogue?



That was superb.
yeah I consider the Franklin cheating scene better than the Pat one it felt way more natural and had better build up.

I'll probably still play this game if it goes to heavy on the NTR still in future updates but if the next updates do I just won't care about this game as much anymore. I like to see Kathryn content to much to stop playing even if it's stuff I dont like
 

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I just hope the next update has some good scenes I like. Lately I been replaying some scenes even ones that aren't my favorite or im not a fan of just because I was in the mood to view some sharing stuff or Kathryn scenes just so im not always re watching the same scene.

I probably watched the glory hole scene to many times just cause I did find the build up to it hotter than the scene with the flasher. Also the chef stops the flasher from finishing
That glory hole scene was insane. I thought maybe, she'll do all the four guys who were there initially. But suddenly there's an enormous queue and she just keeps going. That says to me, the Dev is planning some really nasty scenes down the line. For me this game is more hotwifing than cucking, because Luke is the one in charge, and usually cucks are more submissive.
 
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yeah I consider the Franklin cheating scene better than the Pat one it felt way more natural and had better build up.

I'll probably still play this game if it goes to heavy on the NTR still in future updates but if the next updates do I just won't care about this game as much anymore. I like to see Kathryn content to much to stop playing even if it's stuff I dont like
The Pat scene was set up ages ago, after they went dancing the first time. Later Kathryn can fantasise about having sex with Pat, when she masturbates. That was a very clear indicator to me, that something along those lines was going to happen eventually. So all those people claiming it came completely out of the blue, are just wrong in my opinion. Kathryn clearly fancies Pat. On several occasions she muses about his pleasingly attractive masculine physique, and how much his confident demeanor impresses her. She doesn't say so, but it's clear she's comparing him with Luke, and thinking that in some ways his dad might be better.

When you combine that with the influence the drug is having on her. Making her really horny and aroused, so any fantasies are massively hyped up. And also the situation of being stranded together in the motel overnight. I think that scene was perfectly reasonable. The route where Luke goes as well was a bit daft, but I didn't follow that on my actual routes, so for me it doesn't apply.

I'm pretty certain any NTR heavy route, will be separate from other content, so it shouldn't affect people who don't want to follow it. I doubt I will in this game.. The other Pat choice seems to be leading towards a conventional cheating route for Kathryn to match Lukes. Even the Franklin scene wasn't netorare because Luke was oblivious. And really that's the way I prefer it, even though I think that will lead to them ultimately splitting up.
 
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The Pat scene was set up ages ago, after they went dancing the first time. Later Kathryn can fantasise about having sex with Pat, when she masturbates. That was a very clear indicator to me, that something along those lines was going to happen eventually. So all those people claiming it came completely out of the blue, are just wrong in my opinion. Kathryn clearly fancies Pat. On several occasions she muses about his pleasingly attractive masculine physique, and how much his confident demeanor impresses her. She doesn't say so, but it's clear she's comparing him with Luke, and thinking that in some ways his dad is better.

When you combine that with the influence the drug is having on her. Making her really horny and aroused, so any fantasies are massively hyped up. And also the situation of being stranded together in the motel overnight. I think that scene was perfectly reasonable. The route where Luke goes as well was a bit daft, but I didn't follow that on my actual routes, so for me it doesn't apply
sure she may of had fantasies , I knew it was gonna happen eventually and the stupid horny drug may have had influence in that scene which is one of the few times I agree it has influenced her but not other times. But you can't tell me it didn't come out of nowhere there was literally no build up to it in the motel. That's what I mean when I say it came out of no where. Not the act of a Pat NTR scene came out of no where cause I wasn't expecting to happen at all cause I was expecting it happen at some point.

At least that's how I see it because when they got to motel other than peeking if you allow Pat to do so it felt like he wasn't even trying to make any moves. They just had a small talk and went to bed so any build up from the dance or scenes earlier in that day was lost and reset in my eyes. Now if it was Pat trying to put moves on her in middle of the night then I could accept it didn't just happen out of no where and Kat was seduced and lost control cause she was horny.

But Kat Masturbating and inviting Pat while hot lacked any proper build up to me for a proper cheating scene. It felt like it came out of nowhere because the stupid horny drug. Now if the context wasn't it being a NTR / cheating but lets say another FMC game or someone that Luke agrees to share her with , then yeah I would never said it came out of no where she was just horny and didn't care about who else was in the room.

But with the knowledge of who Pat is , the relationship Pat and Luke have without being seduced it came out of nowhere to me. I don't care if it was the horny drug that isn't a good reason or excuse to me kind of even makes it worst to me. Cause At this point I see that drug as plot armor where it comes in when it's needed to make a reason for some porn logic. As I never felt the horny drug is constant throughout the game or effects Luke and Kathryn evenly tho that probably because I think the dug lacks proper execution in how it's handled. It feels like it barley even effects Kat at all but same can't be said for Luke.
 

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Kathryn only cheats because Luke decides to go dancing with her and Pat. If he makes the other choice, it doesn't happen automatically ( the player chooses whether it happens). Luke even says before he makes his decision, going dancing is like the worst possible thing they could do (from his perspective). And that's why on Luke's loyalty route I chose not to do that. I let Kathryn go on her own with Pat, and yes she thought about cheating with Pat when she was horny, but she never took it.

Personally, I'm not entirely sure why the other scene had to be an automatic choice, and it couldn't still be left up to the player?
What do you mean by automatic? I played loyal Luke/loyal Kat, cheating Luke /cheating Kat and maybe also cheating Luke/loyal Kat and the scene wasn't "automatic" in any case, the player has to deliberately and repeatedly force her to masturbate in bed until you are given the option of having her tell the dad to jump her or to stop it right there.


Even the Franklin scene wasn't netorare because Luke was oblivious.
Obliviousness doesn't invalidate NTR (netorare).

The reason why that scene hardly counts or works as NTR is because it's an NTS (netorase) scenario set up by and for an NTS MC (main character) to begin with. A guy blackmailing the MC and openly trying to corrupt and fuck his wife asks the MC whether he wants to let the wife shoot another porn ad for him to advertise jerkoff lube where she'd not only be naked again but also taking things further this time by rubbing up the male pornstar who lives next door. The non-sharing/NTRable MC obviously says no to that, end of story. It's the NTS MC -who probably already had her fuck random faceless dicks in gloryholes and hobos in the street to begin with- who goes forward with it, who is turned on by it.
By the end of the shoot after she's already lubbed and jerked the pornstar's dick and scooted her pussy right up against the tip of that dick, MC decides that's the perfect position for her to hold still while he turns his back to them to go do his taxes or whatever. And the player is then still given the choice of whether the wife allows the pornstar to shove his dick up a bit or not - meaning that even in the best of cases it would be fake ntr.

That's clearly not an NTR scenario where MC would hate it and be hurt to his core if he knew. It's too much goofy banana porn logic on par with "stepbro i'm stuck" for it. It's there for the NTS fans who also like to see a wife cheating around - not the same thing as NTR - not there for the NTR fans.

What next? For the next porn video NTS Luke gets a dozen chipndale's dancers to rub their boners against Kat's lips to show the lipstick she's advertising is smear proof. As soon as it begins NTS Luke goes away to take a shit for half an hour. NTS Luke loves that his girlfriend is getting those dicks rubbed against her mouth but will hate it if the tip of one briefly sneaks in between her lips without his explicit sayso?
 
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I rewrote two key scenes from 0.8 for use in the "loyal" path, Joshy92:

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See, another easy out, if only he'd wanted to take it. And this one wouldn't even need any additional renders making up. Well, maybe just one or two right at the start.
Very good. In my version Pat wouldn't have made it to the motel though.
 

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I think it will have a positive ending, and Luke will eventually come to terms with his current demons.
The positive ending would be leaving her (or for her to leave him). If either of them is cheating then they need to break up anyway. No need to remain with someone you feel the need to cheat on (or who cheats on you). Best possible outcome for both of them.

Others will see things differently, no doubt. Whatever works for them. ;)
 

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What do you mean by automatic? I played loyal Luke/loyal Kat, cheating Luke /cheating Kat and maybe also cheating Luke/loyal Kat and the scene wasn't "automatic" in any case, the player has to deliberately and repeatedly force her to masturbate in bed until you are given the option of having her tell the dad to jump her or to stop it right there.



Obliviousness doesn't invalidate NTR (netorare).

The reason why that scene hardly counts or works as NTR is because it's an NTS (netorase) scenario set up by and for an NTS MC (main character) to begin with. A guy blackmailing the MC and openly trying to corrupt and fuck his wife asks the MC whether he wants to let the wife shoot another porn ad for him to advertise jerkoff lube where she'd not only be naked again but also taking things further this time by rubbing up a male pornstar. The non-sharing/NTRable MC obviously says no to that, end of story. It's the NTS MC -who probably already had her fuck random faceless dicks in gloryholes and hobos in the street to begin with- who goes forward with it, who is turned on by it.
By the end of the shoot, after she's already lubbed and jerked the pornstar's dick and scooted her pussy right up against the tip of that dick, MC decides that's the perfect position for her to hold still while he turns his back to them to go do his taxes or whatever. And the player is then still given the choice of whether the wife allows the pornstar to shove his dick up a bit or not - meaning that even in the best of cases it would be fake ntr.

That's clearly not an NTR scenario where MC would hate it and be hurt to his core if he knew. It's too much goofy banana porn logic on par with "stepbro i'm stuck" for it. It's there for the NTS fans who also like to see a wife cheating around - not the same thing as NTR - not there for the NTR fans.

What next? For the next porn video Luke gets a dozen chipndale's dancers to rub their boners against Kat's lips to show the lipstick she's advertising is smear proof. As soon as it begins MC goes away to take a shit for half an hour. Luke loves that she's getting those dicks rubbed against her lips but will hate it if a tip briefly sneaks in without his explicit sayso?
We don't know if Luke would be hurt by his wife deciding to fuck someone behind his back. For me the important aspect of that scene is her willingness to do it, knowing that it's cheating if she doesn't tell him afterwards, which she doesn't. This demonstrates that something is changing in her, and that sex itself and the thrills and pleasure she gets from it are overriding her love for Luke and her desire to primarily please him. Yes, it's very possible that Luke would be ok with her doing that, but she denies him, because deep down she's starting to crave that pleasure for herself, and the thrill of doing something taboo like cheating, can make the moment of orgasm much more intense and powerful. As Luke is discovering himself, it can become addictive over time. Plus, she might be in the early stages of addiction to the drug, and it's slowly eroding her love for him, replacing it with a craving for sex and the perverse pleasures it can bring. It's clear that eventually the drug makes the addict, do almost anything to satisfy their cravings for the drug itself and the crazed desires that it elicits, usually that person's darkest fantasies.

I think Luke has been exposed to the drug longer, hence his need to cheat and make Kathryn do increasingly perverse things is greater ( and even if you make him resist, it still torments him). Everything points to him becoming addicted, even his intense conflict after he succumbs is evidence of the agitation and confusion that high levels of seratonin can cause in people. My guess is, all the drinks they can get at work are laced with the drug, because neither of them are taking it intentionally. And probably food products and certain cosmetic and pharmaceutical products are contaminated with it as well. The point of this is, it doesn't matter how Luke and Kathryn were when the game starts, because both of them are now caught up in an insidious plot, and Santini sees both of them as being important to his plans (which include a future push for the Presidency). So he is doing everything he can to corrupt both of them. And since both of them are still largely oblivious to this, it's incredibly easy to manipulate them and push them along a path of depravity (which is how Santini controls his underlings). And this explains why Kathryn in particular, could suddenly succumb to Pat's charms. It's the drug insidiously making her succumb to her darkest desires, even at the expense of her love for Luke.

I know some people don't like the drug plot, but it is what it is, it's in the game and it's been there from the beginning and people should just accept it, because clearly it's an important part of why Luke and Kathryn are suddenly developing into complete perverts in a relatively short time. By doing so, the Dev has created a realistic pathway for this happening, because in real life it usually takes much much longer for this process to happen normally.

Personally, I don't believe this scene was intended to be part of the main netorare plot either. That will likely be completely separated from the central netorase scenes, of which this one is a part. I think that was more aimed at Kathryn's cheating pathway, which the Dev has since ramped up, with the cheating scene with Pat. I assume there will more cheating scenes to follow for Kathryn, after a period of feeling sad and guilty for betraying Luke. One of the important takeaways from this game, is that you should be wary what you wish for, because Luke is unleashing a monster in his girlfriend, and as the flashback scene demonstrated, even 'innocent' Kathryn had a certain prediliction for doing nasty sexual things and enjoying them. Once the genies out of the bottle, it's extremely difficult to get it back in, so even if they stop taking the drug, Kathryn will have changed forever and it's not likely they'll be able to return to what they had before.
 
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Not really excited for the next update anymore, idk why... i think the father-in-law scene ruined it especially it being the first full blown expression of sexuality from kathryn and it being with the douchiest character in the whole ntr category. FIL makes the top 10 villains in ntr renpy category easy.
 

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So you're claiming that everyone with a cuckold fetish, will always act on it? Because even enhanced by the drug, Luke can still decide to resist it. Just because you fantasise about being cuck, doesn't automatically make you one, anymore than fantasising about cheating, makes you go out and cheat on your partner. Perhaps you're too close to this, to view it dispassionately.

Trust me, I'm all too well aware of how sexual obsession can become all consuming. But I don't believe for a minute that everybody will succumb just because I did.
99% of people do dumb stuff because of alcohol and drugs. Being on aphrodisiac/pheromones/sex pollen makes you incapable to resist. You would need to have some inhuman strength/mental resilience to not succumb to it. Like Joshy said Luke have that cuckold curiousity/kink which is why the drug can help him to enjoy it freely.
 
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99% of people do dumb stuff because of alcohol and drugs. Being on aphrodisiac/pheromones/sex pollen makes you incapable to resist. You would need to have some inhuman strength/mental resilience to not succumb to it. Like Joshy said Luke have that cuckold curiousity/kink which is why the drug can help him to enjoy it freely.
By my point is, we have no idea whether Luke would have ultimately resisted the temptation, because he's probably always been influenced by the drug during the game. He was already working for Santini when the game started, so it's likely he was already taking it. Rika mentions the 'special' tea that Santini provides for his workers, which she likely knows is laced with the drug. Luke says he doesn't like tea and prefers coffee, which no doubt is also laced with the drug. And during the doctor's visit, he admits to being overly dependant on caffeine. So he's probably drinking a lot of coffee at work, and this is almost certainly ramping up the prediliction he already had in Williamsport. But if you don't allow Luke to give into any of his urges, he still claims to be tormented by them, and says that when he was in Williamsport, it never affected him to this degree (in other words it was mostly under control, and only surfaced when he got really drunk). He claims something in New York specifically is changing him into a pervert.
 

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That implies she is getting paid, which she is not. The number of guys is a bit exaggerated, but that's the Devs porn logic in action.
Why does that imply she's getting paid? People call women a 'whore', in the same way they call them a 'slut'. In English slang, 'whore' can be used both as a way to describe a prostitute, or someone who is merely sexually promiscuous. The important thing is the context it's used in, which I admit can be sometimes confusing for people who don't speak English as their main language. But I assure you in this instance I wasn't implying Kathryn is a prostitute (well not yet anyway).

And it's not always an exaggeration you know. I've been in these situations when I was younger, so I can vouch for that.
 
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