HTML Abandoned The Ember Institute [v0.0.2.1] [GlitchDoll]

[GlitchDoll]

So you're asking why our MP isn't treating the hurdles in their life like speed bumps instead of major challenges with his/her best friend and secret crush being the only bright spot in their life. Maybe because there are some times in one's life when there are no easy fixes no matter what the billionaires tell you.

"You are so brave and quiet I forget you are suffering." ~ Ernest Hemingway.

People like you FamilyDog are the reason I keep making this game

I am mostly interested in games where the male/female mc can sexually interact with females, so I usually play straight males and lesbian females. I don't mind femdom, bdsm and other fetishes, but I am not a fan of other cocks. If this is just another TF game where the male/female mc is turned to suck cocks, please add a warning in the OP.

To answer your question. It isn't a TF game where you are forced into male relationships. I wanted to cater for a large number of fetishes and desires. As I have tried to make clear in past comments. I am juggling a lot of plots to make this work and the cross over means that I am constantly trying to write for the different desires.

Someone once told me that I have taken on too much by giving all these options and I actually am starting to agree with them.

This rewrite started with adding in the Dominant path (admittedly only the Male one atm) but has grown huge as I addressed several issues. Melissa has been rewritten twice and I have been forced to delay the next release because of fixes to all the paths.

When choosing the submissive punishment path, the shown punishment porn is always maledom, not femdom or lezdom.
Shown Anal porn for male mc is always male fucking female, even for submissive or sissy males.

There used to only be 5 Porn choices.
Vanilla
Lesbian
Anal
Ganbang
Dominant
Submissive
I have worked very hard to continuously expand that list and to add new versions for each choice. But the game is never moving forward because I am still working on Day 1&2 content to give people the options.
To do Maledom, Femdom, Lezdom and Gaydom means adding 8 scenes for every porn choice. Not something that I wouldn't do but it takes a lot of time.
My goal with the porn was that each would eventually unlock a quest that would move forward that fetish.

Hoping there can be a basic Walkthrough/outline of what Characters and Storylines play to what Path's right now it's a guessing game. Personally, I'm interested in where the Band story is going to go and what characters incorporate pet play.

Theres so many branches atm, a walkthrough would take as long as an update.
As for the Pet-Play, atm Penny and her Mother at the pet shop will be the main source. I am working on their first scene for the Sunday content. There are a few others and of course Melissa, Riley and Casey who are all fetishes.
The Band story is part of the VIP section upstairs and I have been expanding the hobbies and the Pawn shop ready for it.

Found it weird that they made a real porn game with still images instead of animated gifs/videos.

I've posted somewhere else on this forum. I did it so that I could edit the images. I wanted to set the Actress in the right background or change small changes like adding dildos or tattoos.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

Meanwhile I have read through the past 10 pages of comments :

About the NTR discussion :
I think it would be less a problem for most players if the sexual encounters of (female) LIs would be with other females, preferably side-LIs, so that in sum all the sleeping around of the LIs would stay in the (future) harem. This would work for straight/bi male mcs and bi/lesbian female mcs.
Straight female and gay male mcs on the other side will not consider the sisters or other females as LIs but instead will look for attractive male NPCs to date/fuck. Those are usually ignored by many players.

Male/Female World :
You wrote above and one can see it in several places : male and female mcs get different story events at the same times and locations, e.g. for male/female there are 2 different conversations when meeting Melissa in the cafe in the afternoon. In the long run this may lead to writing 2 separate game worlds, one for male mcs and one for female mcs. If you add sub/dom differences, it may increase to 2-4 worlds ...


In general there are different approaches for the World Building :

1. One (huge) consistant world
While the mcs can have different sex, traits, kinks, etc. there is one consistent world for all mcs. The world with its locations and events is like a giant labyrinth with lots of corridors, locked doors and rooms (events). The mc starts at some point and travels through the labyrinth to explore and in search for an exit (ending). Sex, traits, kinks and former decisions decide which doors can be opened and which remain locked, leading to different events and routes (stories) for different starting choices and ingame decisions. Since one playthrough will only reveal part of the world, the player may need to play several different mcs to experience the whole world and finally reveal the big secret (if there is one). To keep the world interesting for several playthroughs, there would have to be much more events for all kind of kinks in the world than can be experienced in a single playthrough.

2. Several smaller similar worlds
Each mc gets his own small world (story) based on a basic world with small variations according to starting decisions. The worlds are much smaller and more linear, events are variations of basic events depending on mc's sex, traits, kinks, etc.
Example : the hostel scene where the roommate depends on player sex and traits : female roommate for straight male mcs, shemale for crossdresser and sissy, male roommate for female mcs.
For comparison : In the huge consistent world there would be 3 rooms with male, shemale and female to choose from, so it would allow the player to choose at that point in the game instead of using the starting selections, allthough mc's attributes would still influence if mc can romance a certain roommate or not.

Looking at the game so far, I would rather go for the One (huge) Consistant World approach.

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

Note :
The bug mentioned some pages ago with the Gender Transformation value is still there.
Start a new game, select sex and physical appearance, then use several times the "Stats" and "Exit Stats" buttons and Gender Transformation value is at 100%.

My guess from a distance is that you calculate the value each time a new but forget to reset it first, so that it adds to the current value until it reaches 100% or more.

Work around :
The bug can be avoided by using the Back button instead of "Exit Stats".

 

[f96zonetrooper]

1st day at the Gym :
Mercedes mentions the party on Monday.
When mc spies on both couples (MF + FF) in the sauna, then Mercedes does not start the Quest : A Grand Opening.
The quest only starts if mc meets Tyrone Price, Casey's (BBC) Personal Trainer before.

Is that a bug?

 

[TheFamilyDog]

I've always found the Dominant path the hardest to buy into with the MP backstory, unless I missed something with the Ember Institute's mind-games. And even then, I would think it would be a quick way to find one's self on the street with trying to dominate the sisters.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

I've always found the Dominant path the hardest to buy into with the MP backstory, unless I missed something with the Ember Institute's mind-games. And even then, I would think it would be a quick way to find one's self on the street with trying to dominate the sisters.

It is too early to say how the story will develop.

However it seems that if you are dominant and do the Ember Institute stuff and directly reject the Dream, there seem to be only minimal losses to your dominance.

On the other side if you accept the Dream, you get lots of CrossDressing points as male and your Dominance will turn into Submission over time.

 

[TheFamilyDog]

Submission and Dominance in real life are actually not exclusive, they are more like different roles that can be played depending on circumstances and kinks. Otherwise it would not be possible to have Switches. So having only one stat for Submission and Dominance is a strong simplification.

I agree with you here, and its a shame the Dom path can't start with being Sub-ish till one gets a choice in the Ember Institute that locks the MP in one or the other. Maybe like the second or third trip to the Institute since we already have examples of them screwing-up (mall and store girl). But I doubt folks looking for the Dom tag would be willing to play a somewhat Sub for say 30 mins before going full Dom in the game.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

I agree with you here, and its a shame the Dom path can't start with being Sub-ish till one gets a choice in the Ember Institute that locks the MP in one or the other. Maybe like the second or third trip to the Institute since we already have examples of them screwing-up (mall and store girl). But I doubt folks looking for the Dom tag would be willing to play a somewhat Sub for say 30 mins before going full Dom in the game.

You can start the game with high Intelligence, so maybe you can find something useful at the Institute to turn the tables and come out as Dom instead of a sub. (If the dev implements such an event.)

 

[f96zonetrooper]

There is a spelling error with the Pet Shop : Rumpy / Humpy Puppy.

Niceburg does not have an Exit button unless you buy something.

Quest : Enjoy the Show unlocked but does not show in quest log.

 

[TheFamilyDog]

You can start the game with high Intelligence, so maybe you can find something useful at the Institute to turn the tables and come out as Dom instead of a sub. (If the dev implements such an event.)

That would certainly work while keeping faith with the backstory and situation of the MP.

Because I doubt the mother would had let the MP pass the front door if he had been a strong-willed dom from the start of the game. Besides dom him letting his secret crush drag out this long before doing something about it.

But four stars, your insights are very refreshing for even a newbie like me (forum wise).

 

[Oliz82]

Hello.

To answer your question. It isn't a TF game where you are forced into male relationships. I wanted to cater for a large number of fetishes and desires. As I have tried to make clear in past comments. I am juggling a lot of plots to make this work and the cross over means that I am constantly trying to write for the different desires.

Someone once told me that I have taken on too much by giving all these options and I actually am starting to agree with them.

This rewrite started with adding in the Dominant path (admittedly only the Male one atm) but has grown huge as I addressed several issues. Melissa has been rewritten twice and I have been forced to delay the next release because of fixes to all the paths.

Outside simplifying some paths without cutting down your vision of the game, I don't know how to help you even a little.
I don't think you've taken too much since you seem to know where you're going but the time it takes and the corrections for consistency are starting to have an effect on you.
And don't forget, you're doing a very good job.

I'm intrigued by the rest of your message as well.

About the NTR discussion :
I think it would be less a problem for most players if the sexual encounters of (female) LIs would be with other females, preferably side-LIs, so that in sum all the sleeping around of the LIs would stay in the (future) harem. This would work for straight/bi male mcs and bi/lesbian female mcs.

I quoted this specific passage because, even though I'm a bi man, I'm not interested in lesbian at all. Maybe I'm unusual but in every straight game there's an unavoidable lesbian scene and it's annoying (and if somebody is asking for a gay scene, it's poorly received and skipping the scene is mandatory...).

Otherwise, you seem really good at analysis and finding solutions.

For the dream, it seemed clear for me :
You reject it meaning you want to control your life so you're dominant,
You accept it meaning you want to leave the control to others so you're submissive (and the degree of submissiveness depend on when you take back control).

Good continuation.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

Considering the current amount of NTR scenes in the game, it probably would be best to just add the NTR tag and place a big warning in the OP so that players are not offended by unexpected content. The story is about a (virgin) mc being thrown into a new dark world of blackmail, corruption and lewdness with lots of sexual encounters around to find and the Moore family with the main LIs (Ava, Casey, Melissa, Riley) seems even more corrupt and lewd beyond their glamourous surface ... Changing this would be a lot of work and would result in a completely different game / world. So better stick to your original concept (vision) of the game world and don't change things.

Edit : NTR tag was added.

I played some more variations of events. At the moment the mc is mostly watching others having sex or is fantasizing. Sexual encounters with the mc usually end with either a premature ejaculation or the event is interrupted by 3rd party ...
Examples :
- Abella offers sex at the busstop but mc blows his load before they even start ...
- Then Casey blackmails mc and if mc plays along she offers to extend their play over the whole night but Ava and Manuel come home and the session is canceled
- Next day mc can have some fun with Candy in the shop but then leaves due to other people .
- In the hostel Kagney offers sex but again mc blows his load before they even start ...
- If mc decides to join the petplay in the club, the dom/sub pair vanishes before they really do something with mc ...
This is a long number of events which tease the player but don't deliver ... it is ok to use such events, but I would not overdo it unless the teasing is a main theme (e.g. for a sub mc in chastity). Most of this teasing events were encountered with a Dom mc with a huge dick, so it felt unexpected.
The teasing would be less a problem if there were follow-up events (in the content to come) where mc can finally perform.

Edit : mc's sexual performance in the events mentioned above is in contradiction with his good performance when having sex with the prostitute later.

In general there should be some mechanism in the game to overcome the premature ejaculation by training. Unless a new stat for sexual experience is introduced, available stats like dominance, confidence and cock size could affect the mc's performance. The mc usually gets a lot of stress in sexual situations and lots of stress can reduce sexual arousal and performance up to a point where dicks stay soft and cunts stay dry.

While Casey blackmails the mc, there is the option to give in to her and even become her slave voluntary ... still the relation of Casey and mc worsens with every event ... if the relation is so bad, why bothers Casey with the mc and vice versa ... the writing actually hints that Casey has a secret affection for mc and the blackmail and dom/sub game is her way to initiate some kind of closer relation. If the mc ignores the blackmail, she retires to her bedroom, leaves the door open and masturbates so that mc has a chance to watch her ... this doesn't fit with a really bad relation.

The game features two stats : friendship and relationship. Since the human player actually decides how to judge NPCs, those values should be the NPC's opinion on mc. However sometimes it feels as if the values also represent mc's opinion on the NPC.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

If the mc breaks up the interview and returns home, next morning he has the option to spy on Melissa having sex in the kitchen and get caught by Casey. Casey demands that mc visits her between 20:00 and 23:00 (Quest Casey's Blackmail). However Melissa forces the male mc to stay in the city overnight (Quest Locked Out), so there seems to be no chance to meet Casey that night.

For a female mc Casey's quest cannot be tested since Saturday evening at home is beyond end-of-content.

--------------------

In the Deep-Dive Club the mc can have sex with the guy in the locker room, however for male mc the complete passage is the same as for female mc with FM-encounter, mc has pussy, etc. If the person in the locker room were female, most of the text and images probably could be used for male mc's MF encounter.

 

[The Celtic fan]

a question, since it seems that it is possible to have a lesbian (or at least bi) mc, is it possible to have only lesbian content?

because although it's just the beginning it basically seems very het centered almost everything you see is that, all the Li's have men on the sides and not to mention the disappointment that it was supposed to be an all-girl party.

What I mean is that if as a woman you can play it as a lesbian-only route and that if that route will have some content.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

a question, since it seems that it is possible to have a lesbian (or at least bi) mc, is it possible to have only lesbian content?

because although it's just the beginning it basically seems very het centered almost everything you see is that, all the Li's have men on the sides and not to mention the disappointment that it was supposed to be an all-girl party.

What I mean is that if as a woman you can play it as a lesbian-only route and that if that route will have some content.

So far it is only 2 days. And the all-girl-party is not part of the content.
- there is a lesbian scene to watch at the gym (Runner)
- the waitress in the fast food flashes her pussy to mc
- you can get a spanking by Casey if you give in to her blackmail
- you can try to join the lesbian PetPlay at the club if mc is sub, but there is not much content for the mc
- or you can wait for Riley at the club and fuck her (after 2 BBCs were not enough to satisfy her)

 

[The Celtic fan]

So far it is only 2 days. And the all-girl-party is not part of the content.
- there is a lesbian scene to watch at the gym (Runner)
- the waitress in the fast food flashes her pussy to mc
- you can get a spanking by Casey if you give in to her blackmail
- you can try to join the lesbian PetPlay at the club if mc is sub, but there is not much content for the mc
- or you can wait for Riley at the club and fuck her (after 2 BBCs were not enough to satisfy her)

yes, I had already seen all of them (except the submissive scenes and the last one), what I meant is that all the girls that seem to be Li all have men on the sides and scenes with men, so it doesn't seem as if there is a lot of content with them that doesn't include men.

I was referring to the party that Melissa was trying to organize with these guys, I thought it was the same all-girls party.

 

[GlitchDoll]

Considering the current amount of NTR scenes in the game, it probably would be best to just add the NTR tag and place a big warning in the OP so that players are not offended by unexpected content. The story is about a (virgin) mc being thrown into a new dark world of blackmail, corruption and lewdness with lots of sexual encounters around to find and the Moore family with the main LIs (Ava, Casey, Melissa, Riley) seems even more corrupt and lewd beyond their glamourous surface ... Changing this would be a lot of work and would result in a completely different game / world. So better stick to your original concept (vision) of the game world and don't change things.

Edit : NTR tag was added.

I played some more variations of events. At the moment the mc is mostly watching others having sex or is fantasizing. Sexual encounters with the mc usually end with either a premature ejaculation or the event is interrupted by 3rd party ...
Examples :
- Abella offers sex at the busstop but mc blows his load before they even start ...
- Then Casey blackmails mc and if mc plays along she offers to extend their play over the whole night but Ava and Manuel come home and the session is canceled
- Next day mc can have some fun with Candy in the shop but then leaves due to other people .
- In the hostel Kagney offers sex but again mc blows his load before they even start ...
- If mc decides to join the petplay in the club, the dom/sub pair vanishes before they really do something with mc ...
This is a long number of events which tease the player but don't deliver ... it is ok to use such events, but I would not overdo it unless the teasing is a main theme (e.g. for a sub mc in chastity). Most of this teasing events were encountered with a Dom mc with a huge dick, so it felt unexpected.
The teasing would be less a problem if there were follow-up events (in the content to come) where mc can finally perform.

Edit : mc's sexual performance in the events mentioned above is in contradiction with his good performance when having sex with the prostitute later.

In general there should be some mechanism in the game to overcome the premature ejaculation by training. Unless a new stat for sexual experience is introduced, available stats like dominance, confidence and cock size could affect the mc's performance. The mc usually gets a lot of stress in sexual situations and lots of stress can reduce sexual arousal and performance up to a point where dicks stay soft and cunts stay dry.

While Casey blackmails the mc, there is the option to give in to her and even become her slave voluntary ... still the relation of Casey and mc worsens with every event ... if the relation is so bad, why bothers Casey with the mc and vice versa ... the writing actually hints that Casey has a secret affection for mc and the blackmail and dom/sub game is her way to initiate some kind of closer relation. If the mc ignores the blackmail, she retires to her bedroom, leaves the door open and masturbates so that mc has a chance to watch her ... this doesn't fit with a really bad relation.

The game features two stats : friendship and relationship. Since the human player actually decides how to judge NPCs, those values should be the NPC's opinion on mc. However sometimes it feels as if the values also represent mc's opinion on the NPC.

Almost everything you have pointed out has actually been changed ready for the next release.

The NPC's now react to your body type (first impression) and it is their thoughts that raise/lower their affection. Your attraction to them raises/lowers your female (or male) attraction.

Confident players can now have sex with Abella at the bus stop.

Fixed the premature ejaculation. Your Confidence lowers your Arousal between scenes (like when you are waiting on the bus stop or driving home.)

There is now a different encounter for sex at the club. You meet Aaliyah Hadid though you again need confidence to sleep with her.

Casey threatens but no longer blackmails you.

The pet play event was meant to end after a tease so that you would seek her out in future. It is only day 2 and I did not want everyone to fuck the MC who is supposed to be a virgin.

You can have sex with Candy but most people miss it as the premature ejaculation was an issue. I added the toilet so that you could masturbate but it was the wrong option. Its been a lot of trial and error with the mechanics that I want but it is coming together.

If the mc breaks up the interview and returns home, next morning he has the option to spy on Melissa having sex in the kitchen and get caught by Casey. Casey demands that mc visits her between 20:00 and 23:00 (Quest Casey's Blackmail). However Melissa forces the male mc to stay in the city overnight (Quest Locked Out), so there seems to be no chance to meet Casey that night.

For a female mc Casey's quest cannot be tested since Saturday evening at home is beyond end-of-content.

--------------------

In the Deep-Dive Club the mc can have sex with the guy in the locker room, however for male mc the complete passage is the same as for female mc with FM-encounter, mc has pussy, etc. If the person in the locker room were female, most of the text and images probably could be used for male mc's MF encounter.

It was going to be that you are in trouble with Casey even though it is not your fault that you could not be home. That has changed where she no longer asks you to be there. I won't say more but that I am changing this.

Yeah the Deep Dive scene in the locker room was meant to be female only. You are not the only one to mention it. The next update was going to be a quick patch to fix these issues but turned into such a big job that it wasn't worth putting anything out until it was done.

a question, since it seems that it is possible to have a lesbian (or at least bi) mc, is it possible to have only lesbian content?

because although it's just the beginning it basically seems very het centered almost everything you see is that, all the Li's have men on the sides and not to mention the disappointment that it was supposed to be an all-girl party.

What I mean is that if as a woman you can play it as a lesbian-only route and that if that route will have some content.

Theres actually a lot of lesbian content coming up with the slumber party. I have set that the NPC's have hetero and even gay sex but the player can have lesbian relationships.

yes, I had already seen all of them (except the submissive scenes and the last one), what I meant is that all the girls that seem to be Li all have men on the sides and scenes with men, so it doesn't seem as if there is a lot of content with them that doesn't include men.

I was referring to the party that Melissa was trying to organize with these guys, I thought it was the same all-girls party.

No that is a different party. (I hadn't thought about that it might be thought of as the same party.)
The all girl party is just Melissa's friends:
Melissa, Riley and Casey.
Abella Danger
Gina Valentina
Kira Noir
Jill Kassidy
Jenna J Foxx
As you are aware form the current content, Riley will sneak out to go to the club at some point which is why I wanted to finish see what happened there before I wrote the sex scene with her.

I am still working on the slumber party atm as it is a large scene.

 

[GlitchDoll]

1st day at the Gym :
Mercedes mentions the party on Monday.
When mc spies on both couples (MF + FF) in the sauna, then Mercedes does not start the Quest : A Grand Opening.
The quest only starts if mc meets Tyrone Price, Casey's (BBC) Personal Trainer before.

Is that a bug?

Yes it's a bug as are the other missing quests.

1st day at the Gym :
Mercedes mentions the party on Monday.
When mc spies on both couples (MF + FF) in the sauna, then Mercedes does not start the Quest : A Grand Opening.
The quest only starts if mc meets Tyrone Price, Casey's (BBC) Personal Trainer before.

Is that a bug?

You can start the game with high Intelligence, so maybe you can find something useful at the Institute to turn the tables and come out as Dom instead of a sub. (If the dev implements such an event.)

I have... different plans.

That would certainly work while keeping faith with the backstory and situation of the MP.

Because I doubt the mother would had let the MP pass the front door if he had been a strong-willed dom from the start of the game. Besides dom him letting his secret crush drag out this long before doing something about it.

But four stars, your insights are very refreshing for even a newbie like me (forum wise).

Probably been the hardest part to write. I men the MC can now have sex Day 1 after having no confidence with women. A Male MC can have four sexual encounters by the end of Day 2. Justifying that has been hard.

 

[The Celtic fan]

Almost everything you have pointed out has actually been changed ready for the next release.

The NPC's now react to your body type (first impression) and it is their thoughts that raise/lower their affection. Your attraction to them raises/lowers your female (or male) attraction.

Confident players can now have sex with Abella at the bus stop.

Fixed the premature ejaculation. Your Confidence lowers your Arousal between scenes (like when you are waiting on the bus stop or driving home.)

There is now a different encounter for sex at the club. You meet Aaliyah Hadid though you again need confidence to sleep with her.

Casey threatens but no longer blackmails you.

The pet play event was meant to end after a tease so that you would seek her out in future. It is only day 2 and I did not want everyone to fuck the MC who is supposed to be a virgin.

You can have sex with Candy but most people miss it as the premature ejaculation was an issue. I added the toilet so that you could masturbate but it was the wrong option. Its been a lot of trial and error with the mechanics that I want but it is coming together.




It was going to be that you are in trouble with Casey even though it is not your fault that you could not be home. That has changed where she no longer asks you to be there. I won't say more but that I am changing this.

Yeah the Deep Dive scene in the locker room was meant to be female only. You are not the only one to mention it. The next update was going to be a quick patch to fix these issues but turned into such a big job that it wasn't worth putting anything out until it was done.



Theres actually a lot of lesbian content coming up with the slumber party. I have set that the NPC's have hetero and even gay sex but the player can have lesbian relationships.



No that is a different party. (I hadn't thought about that it might be thought of as the same party.)
The all girl party is just Melissa's friends:
Melissa, Riley and Casey.
Abella Danger
Gina Valentina
Kira Noir
Jill Kassidy
Jenna J Foxx
As you are aware form the current content, Riley will sneak out to go to the club at some point which is why I wanted to finish see what happened there before I wrote the sex scene with her.

I am still working on the slumber party atm as it is a large scene.

Thanks for answering, the truth is that I was confused because as the 2 parties were mentioned practically at the same time, I thought that the men's thing was going to be a "surprise" for the women's party. thanks for clearing that up

and forgive me but I can ask you another question?
I would like to know if in the future, if we initiate a relationship with a LI we can prevent her from continuing to have relationships with men, basically I am asking about whether in the lesbian route, the ntr content can be avoided.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

Thanks for the detailed answers and your hard work ...
Is there an ETA for the update? ... a few days ... week ... month?