VN Ren'Py Abandoned The Falling Reloaded [Ch. 6] [WhiteBear]

[KiryuKazuma095]

ngl playing through this, i just really want to decimate every single character I've encountered so far. Azel especially my love for redheads, does not have that kind of strength. I'm tired of the "oh its your fathers fault, your fathers orders, etc" when playing these I always like to go on a path of how the character would act in said situations

....1000 years of suffering and torture? to then be forced into playing house with these all powerful beings that could have done anything to try and save a little kid? Yeah, nah I cant justify even speaking to one of them

anyone else felt that way? lmao outside maybe raphael I think they're all guilty of destroying MC's life. Meanwhile MC's internally struggling with everyone around him then casually turns around like "yeah no they successfully gaslit me into blaming my father too, not that any of them could have atleast tried to help in a century"

Need a pure hatred lone wolf path in this for sure if its ever picked back up. It's like playing a sociopath simulator.

Well have you actually played the game??? If you did and payed the nessesary attention on the details you would have seen that MC admits that there were not many things Azel could do to help him but obey their father... as for the "1000 years of suffering and torture? to then be forced into playing house with these all powerful beings that could have done anything to try and save a little kid? " you would also saw that Raphael and their mom did try to find a way to enter hell and get the mc but God block both their communication and the entrances... They still tried ,Raphael tried speciffically ...

 

[Juerhullycin]

Well have you actually played the game??? If you did and payed the nessesary attention on the details you would have seen that MC admits that there were not many things Azel could do to help him but obey their father... as for the "1000 years of suffering and torture? to then be forced into playing house with these all powerful beings that could have done anything to try and save a little kid? " you would also saw that Raphael and their mom did try to find a way to enter hell and get the mc but God block both their communication and the entrances... They still tried ,Raphael tried speciffically ...

like kazeiheikaya said gaslighting completed succesfully, as shown right here ↑

 

[KiryuKazuma095]

like kazeiheikaya said gaslighting completed succesfully, as shown right here ↑

The MC stated that he would have obeyed the orders himself...

 

[Juerhullycin]

The MC stated that he would have obeyed the orders himself...

yeah and we all know that this is cope the Dev wrote into the story after it became clear that every one hated every and all living LI, same with them "searching" for him by sitting at home and crocheting its all cope and damage control to save the game from train wreck of a corner he wrote himself into

 

[drifter139]

also I feel like you guys are forgetting that dark magic or black magic or whatever dev called it could have been used to get into hell. it's not like they couldn't have found a way. honestly let's just say what it is. dev wrote themselves into a corner and had to bs a way out to avoid people calling him out on his subpar writing for this game. I bet someone could write something way better than this in less than a few months considering this game barely gets 1 update a year. dev tried to make the MC a Lucifer archetype but forgot how to actually remain consistent with the plot and now as a result, can't find a way to fix this flaming trash pile they call a game

 

[KiryuKazuma095]

also I feel like you guys are forgetting that dark magic or black magic or whatever dev called it could have been used to get into hell. it's not like they couldn't have found a way. honestly let's just say what it is. dev wrote themselves into a corner and had to bs a way out to avoid people calling him out on his subpar writing for this game. I bet someone could write something way better than this in less than a few months considering this game barely gets 1 update a year. dev tried to make the MC a Lucifer archetype but forgot how to actually remain consistent with the plot and now as a result, can't find a way to fix this flaming trash pile they call a game

Plotwise this game did have problems ,the whole split personality thing was one for me ,the whole " charge in to enemy territory without backup or weapons thing and not thinking for a second that this is a trap"

 

[nitkonikic]

It's THOUSAND years. Not one, not 5, not 50, thousand!

His family tried to get him, couldn't, gave up. Sorry, but that's just insane level of bs for me to consider it valid defense for his family.

"I was just following orders" - Say what now? Wings taken, dropped to literal hell, tortured for thousand years, but hey, all good because you were "just following orders".

I am not very sorry dev dropped the game, since he dropped the ball on it ever since MC left hell, but if the VN ever kept going, my only goal would have been to select all choices that can lead to his family dying.
Fuck that family. Fuck his mom, his sister, bitch that dropped him to hell etc.

Ugh, and here I thought I'm done with ranting on this one.

 

[v1900]

The attempt to salvage the family was just some lip service. It all boils down to it's your father's fault we just went with the flow.

According to the setting (which is based on Christian and Islamic theology), Azel (bitch version of Azrael) kept access to hell all this time, I mean half her working hours are spent there. Every Joe and his mom can come and go from hell apparently (demons that know a spell, Nix and her faction), but not the mother and sisters (the top bitch and the archangels, one of which works in hell half the time!!!). For f(%$ sake according to the plot they could have gotten into hell in a number of ways if they actually cared.

It's so bland that it reads more like:

"We half-tried a few times and decided to just let it go, it's more fun to drink wine and touch our coochies"

Damn that's a pretty good synopsis of this VN.

 

[kazeiheikaya]

Raphael tried speciffically

^almost like i said everyone but raph can kick rocks


but yeah...
Crazy too how MC figured everything out on his own, including demons that could do X or Y to make things possible for him but in 1000 years an angel couldnt figure out a way to enter hell, Azel couldnt check on him once, or like make allies with demons or whatever to kind of protect the MC, or whatever may have you. Millions of possibilities that could have honestly fit the lore, if we're being real.

But instead lets just pure cope to be like "yeah azel can bully MC as if theyve been best friends for that whole 1000 years, making jabs at him constantly, momma bear can use her sexual deviancy to somehow win the MC over within a couple days, and everyone else is completely welcoming to MC being shattered beyond belief from 1000 years of heinous torture by a DEMON KING nah its cool, lets go to college, and be bros and bang chicks, and hang out with sociopaths daily.

Real talk it had me hooked off the intro, was shaping to be splendid, then after the revisit to hell it took the hardest nosedive I could have imagined. I was not at all prepared for it.

 

[Juerhullycin]

^almost like i said everyone but raph can kick rocks


but yeah...
Crazy too how MC figured everything out on his own, including demons that could do X or Y to make things possible for him but in 1000 years an angel couldnt figure out a way to enter hell, Azel couldnt check on him once, or like make allies with demons or whatever to kind of protect the MC, or whatever may have you. Millions of possibilities that could have honestly fit the lore, if we're being real.

But instead lets just pure cope to be like "yeah azel can bully MC as if theyve been best friends for that whole 1000 years, making jabs at him constantly, momma bear can use her sexual deviancy to somehow win the MC over within a couple days, and everyone else is completely welcoming to MC being shattered beyond belief from 1000 years of heinous torture by a DEMON KING nah its cool, lets go to college, and be bros and bang chicks, and hang out with sociopaths daily.

Real talk it had me hooked off the intro, was shaping to be splendid, then after the revisit to hell it took the hardest nosedive I could have imagined. I was not at all prepared for it.

hey you forgot the most important part,...

therapy!

Nothing fixes a Millennium of torture like a good old therapy session.

 

[KiryuKazuma095]

^almost like i said everyone but raph can kick rocks


but yeah...
Crazy too how MC figured everything out on his own, including demons that could do X or Y to make things possible for him but in 1000 years an angel couldnt figure out a way to enter hell, Azel couldnt check on him once, or like make allies with demons or whatever to kind of protect the MC, or whatever may have you. Millions of possibilities that could have honestly fit the lore, if we're being real.

But instead lets just pure cope to be like "yeah azel can bully MC as if theyve been best friends for that whole 1000 years, making jabs at him constantly, momma bear can use her sexual deviancy to somehow win the MC over within a couple days, and everyone else is completely welcoming to MC being shattered beyond belief from 1000 years of heinous torture by a DEMON KING nah its cool, lets go to college, and be bros and bang chicks, and hang out with sociopaths daily.

Real talk it had me hooked off the intro, was shaping to be splendid, then after the revisit to hell it took the hardest nosedive I could have imagined. I was not at all prepared for it.

Well I can't say for sure since i have not read the plot to see what exactly the Dev was trying to go the story into being but from what i remembered when i last played it and saw ,i believe that he was fan of the college/harem theme AVN-porn games and he did tried to make something using these tags but it did not go the way he wanted

 

[nitkonikic]

Well I can't say for sure since i have not read the plot to see what exactly the Dev was trying to go the story into being but from what i remembered when i last played it and saw ,i believe that he was fan of the college/harem theme AVN-porn games and he did tried to make something using these tags but it did not go the way he wanted

Honestly, he should have dropped current game, explain thought process in dev post, then start new game.

The way he's done it is just wrong and he was stuck in worst possible position.

Those who like College/Harem VNs probably dropped the VN during first 2 chapters.
Those who liked first 2 chapters liked it for complete opposite of college/harem setting.

Switching from one to another is worst possible decision he could have made.

Plenty devs dropped their first VN, for variety of reasons. Could have done the same, with much less backlash.
Would have suffered short term, but could have gained new audience long term.

 

[drifter139]

Well I can't say for sure since i have not read the plot to see what exactly the Dev was trying to go the story into being but from what i remembered when i last played it and saw ,i believe that he was fan of the college/harem theme AVN-porn games and he did tried to make something using these tags but it did not go the way he wanted

when I first played this game, it was due to the idea of being an angel damned to hell and I was hoping once we got out, we would either move to take over Earth or declare war on Heaven. originally I thought that would have been a good plot but dev went and introduced this whole college thing along with MC being a moody little bitch. I thought "ok, maybe we start small by taking over the college". but no, the plot makes no sense at all. this dev fucked their own story up and rather than come here to admit to it, hides and releases an "update" once every 6 or 7 months hoping we are dumb enough to play for forgive them for their trash writing

 

[KiryuKazuma095]

when I first played this game, it was due to the idea of being an angel damned to hell and I was hoping once we got out, we would either move to take over Earth or declare war on Heaven. originally I thought that would have been a good plot but dev went and introduced this whole college thing along with MC being a moody little bitch. I thought "ok, maybe we start small by taking over the college". but no, the plot makes no sense at all. this dev fucked their own story up and rather than come here to admit to it, hides and releases an "update" once every 6 or 7 months hoping we are dumb enough to play for forgive them for their trash writing

Well, the problem was not the "update" once every 6 or 7 months but the bad written plot, which i understand since he had no experience before but he could use some of the suggestions people gave him on discord

 

[drifter139]

Well, the problem was not the "update" once every 6 or 7 months but the bad written plot, which i understand since he had no experience before but he could use some of the suggestions people gave him on discord

likely ignores discord completely

 

[KiryuKazuma095]

likely ignores discord completely

I know some dev that appreciate feedback from players&supporters because it's a tool that make them write a better story

 

[Akabakka]

The MC stated that he would have obeyed the orders himself...

Sure but that's not exactly how feelings work . Just because someone would follow similar order , does not mean he'd rationalize awful crap being done to him that way , and just get over it .

I mean Azel says "i dropped you to be tortured for eons oopsy my bad , i was told to do so" with glee and a smile , and the MC does not even have a choice to even react badly ? But you can blow a gasket over meaningless demons and characters ? This only works if you write MC as the quintessential "above human feelings and rational" divine creature ... except he only is written that way when "convenient"

 

[KiryuKazuma095]

Sure but that's not exactly how feelings work . Just because someone would follow similar order , does not mean he'd rationalize awful crap being done to him that way , and just get over it .

I mean Azel says "i dropped you to be tortured for eons oopsy my bad , i was told to do so" with glee and a smile , and the MC does not even have a choice to even react badly ? But you can blow a gasket over meaningless demons and characters ? This only works if you write MC as the quintessential "above human feelings and rational" divine creature ... except he only is written that way when "convenient"

Well i totally agree with you, but i had no acess to the plot or to the dev himself to discuss any of that

 

[drifter139]

Well i totally agree with you, but i had no acess to the plot or to the dev himself to discuss any of that

no one has access to the dev to talk about this mess of a "game"

 

[KiryuKazuma095]

no one has access to the dev to talk about this mess of a "game"

I have given him some ideas on his discord but he was rarely online there so yes it's true!!!