nackedsnake
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Pretty sure you misunderstood my whole point: It's NOT about VN vs RPG, nor One Choice vs Multiple actions.
It's about the quality of the Grind / Interaction / Outcomes.
Key words: Well paced, Content Rich, Not Mindless.
Taking TFC as example: Why it needs to be 10 times per stage for Dad/ Brother? Why not 3 times? How about 30 times? Why You Are forced to repeat the SAME Scenes so many times, everytime is exactly the same, only some "Number Change"?
(To clarify, "repeat" means "Taking Action > Receive outcome" The whole process.)
You Don't have "Repeated Event" in real life, everytime there'll be something different - Not just some arbitrary number increase.
Same for game, We want the game world to be responsive to our actions.
And there's also one simple solution: Provide Contents if you want to lengthen the process. If you don't have many Scenes / Events, shorten the grind.
If I recall Correctly, in Grizzly Grove, even when you needs to work on your stats, the events changes rapidly, You don't repeat the same thing many times. And TFC also improved in later routes.
"Mindless Grind with the same Scenes / Events" Provide value to no one, other than Prolong player Engagement.
And here, The "Engagement" is not entertainment, just Time Wasting.
In fact, Many players doesn't mind / opt-in to have their time wasted (Most MMORPG / Mobile game), but that's their Choice, it shouldn't be forced upon player.
If you solely want entertainment, not porn, why play Porn Games? They are inferior to Non-Porn Games due to many unsolvable reasons, such as prioriy / funding / scope.
Also, for many people, Porno (movies / pictures) can't do the trick, cuz they don't offer the "interaction" aspect a Porn game does.
You said it yourself, the Key is
And the sad thing is We likely never gonna see one, Unless there are some Major Tech Breakthrough that solve Core issue of Porn game development. Maybe AI tech Can.
For example: I sign up to play TFC, Cuz it's a text-based porn game with gameplay, Not to waste time on mindless grind that's totally arbitrary.
Indeed Many games have player punishment, intentionally or unintentionally.
In some game it's even a core:
Like Dark Soul, It's highly punishing that whip you hard for bad play. But the Purpose is what matters: let players overcome challenges to get fulfilment.
On the other hand, Time Wasting as punishment serve no purse other than waste time.
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Pretty sure this is different from the "a harem/NTR discussion" (where just opinions).
This is about game development, the standards are already established.
It's about the quality of the Grind / Interaction / Outcomes.
Key words: Well paced, Content Rich, Not Mindless.
Taking TFC as example: Why it needs to be 10 times per stage for Dad/ Brother? Why not 3 times? How about 30 times? Why You Are forced to repeat the SAME Scenes so many times, everytime is exactly the same, only some "Number Change"?
(To clarify, "repeat" means "Taking Action > Receive outcome" The whole process.)
You Don't have "Repeated Event" in real life, everytime there'll be something different - Not just some arbitrary number increase.
Same for game, We want the game world to be responsive to our actions.
And there's also one simple solution: Provide Contents if you want to lengthen the process. If you don't have many Scenes / Events, shorten the grind.
If I recall Correctly, in Grizzly Grove, even when you needs to work on your stats, the events changes rapidly, You don't repeat the same thing many times. And TFC also improved in later routes.
Respecting players' time: Provide value / reward for the time player spend in the Game.
"Mindless Grind with the same Scenes / Events" Provide value to no one, other than Prolong player Engagement.
And here, The "Engagement" is not entertainment, just Time Wasting.
In fact, Many players doesn't mind / opt-in to have their time wasted (Most MMORPG / Mobile game), but that's their Choice, it shouldn't be forced upon player.
I meant Non-Porn Games which solely be judged by their Gameplay. The most recent perfect example are Baldur's Gate 3, Alan Wake 2, Sea of Stars, etc.
If you solely want entertainment, not porn, why play Porn Games? They are inferior to Non-Porn Games due to many unsolvable reasons, such as prioriy / funding / scope.
Also, for many people, Porno (movies / pictures) can't do the trick, cuz they don't offer the "interaction" aspect a Porn game does.
Referring to top. The Process to reach those "Milestones" are also important.
You said it yourself, the Key is
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Like I mentioned earlier, There are plenty of games do that, Just not Porn Games.
And the sad thing is We likely never gonna see one, Unless there are some Major Tech Breakthrough that solve Core issue of Porn game development. Maybe AI tech Can.
If the game Forces players to do things they are Not signing up to do, then Yes.
For example: I sign up to play TFC, Cuz it's a text-based porn game with gameplay, Not to waste time on mindless grind that's totally arbitrary.
Indeed Many games have player punishment, intentionally or unintentionally.
In some game it's even a core:
Like Dark Soul, It's highly punishing that whip you hard for bad play. But the Purpose is what matters: let players overcome challenges to get fulfilment.
On the other hand, Time Wasting as punishment serve no purse other than waste time.
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Pretty sure this is different from the "a harem/NTR discussion" (where just opinions).
This is about game development, the standards are already established.
