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Guys lets face it as soon as we saw Liliana .. Athagan was a dead man walking. Also we just got the lore drop that ..
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There's no way that would have been written in if the author was planning on letting Athagan die of old age.
that entire situation is already special,Lily is kinda exempt from a lot of ishtar "duties" due to Athagan being a unich ,also she's getting older there might be a age limit on that remarry requirement.

we are kinda left out on the specifics for that, i do believe this would be one off the few thing Vanderer actually should make a legit choice,at least being sexual with her.
 

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that entire situation is already special,Lily is kinda exempt from a lot of ishtar "duties" due to Athagan being a unich ,also she's getting older there might be a age limit on that remarry requirement.

we are kinda left out on the specifics for that, i do believe this would be one off the few thing Vanderer actually should make a legit choice,at least being sexual with her.
Not gonna argue the toss back and forth on this one gain lol. Suffice to say that what i mentioned in spoiler is a bit too much of a smoking gun for this one. Sorry bro .. I think yer huffing the copium on this one. Solid father figures of protagonists exist to die tragically to further the plot lol. The sexual shit is almost just icing on the doom cake at this point.

And Liliana is CLEARLY only exempt because she's married .. to the biggest badass in the realm no less.
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Not gonna argue the toss back and forth on this one gain lol. Suffice to say that what i mentioned in spoiler is a bit too much of a smoking gun for this one. Sorry bro .. I think yer huffing the copium on this one. Solid father figures of protagonists exist to die tragically to further the plot lol. The sexual shit is almost just icing on the doom cake at this point.
we'll see, i don't think Vanderer would abandon his fans that don't want to out respect for athagan.
i could be on copium,or you could just be horny, probably both.
not our decision in the end ,its vanderers
 

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It's not horny it's just reading into the plot.
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And let's not forget that
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As for 'abandoning the fans' Not to be an asshole but screw fans like that. Acceding to demands like that from the fanbase will gut the tension of the plot and turn it into anaemic drivel because people got daddy issues.

Edit : Spoiler tags added in case people not up to the latest build. But it's nothing that major. Enter on your own recognizance.
 
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we'll see, i don't think Vanderer would abandon his fans that don't want to out respect for athagan.
i could be on copium,or you could just be horny, probably both.
not our decision in the end ,its vanderers
So you think Vanderer won't "abandon" his fans that don't want it but will abandon his fans who do? That's a completely silly concept. It's a story. The writer himself needs to tell it how he wants and not hold himself hostage to the whims of the fanbase. Let him cook, and atm it looks like he's cooking up a tasty plate of Liliana.
 
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It's not horny it's just reading into the plot.
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And let's not forget that
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As for 'abandoning the fans' Not to be an asshole but screw fans like that. Acceding to demands like that from the fanbase will gut the tension of the plot and turn it into anaemic drivel because people got daddy issues.

Edit : Spoiler tags added in case people not up to the latest build. But it's nothing that major. Enter on your own recognizance.
well the bit about the plot is correct that he would have more responsibilities etc,i do think you're being dishonest saying that the reason demons don't invade is because off athagan,there are a lot more powerful people then just athagan, and the iron quintet did decimate a large part off the demon army,which current status still is unknown but likely not big enough for a full blown invasion.

and no i don't think Lianna is legit sexually into mc right now,sure she acknowledges he is fine man/lover/husband without actually wanting him to become hers,just like the MC could admit similar about her.
she seems to me still very much into athagan,and we haven't seen anything towards the MC.
her having to remarry is very much for that religion,and would largely depends if she could still have children,if she can its up for debate considering she's been exempt from baby making due to athagan,if she no longer can i don't think she has to remarry.

As for sariel,she is already interested but she's made a vow to herself she intends to uphold,no "athagan 2.0" needed and that wouldn't happen they are way different kind off mages ,the MC will never be a mage like athagan but it is likely he will reach the same status or possibly higher.

also i wouldn't worry about people not understanding your opinion on abandoning fans,if the game developer tag sparked some interest in people and they spend 5min time they'd get a idea on your views for that.
 
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So you think Vanderer won't "abandon" his fans that don't want it but will abandon his fans who do? That's a completely silly concept. It's a story. The writer himself needs to tell it how he wants and not hold himself hostage to the whims of the fanbase. Let him cook, and atm it looks like he's cooking up a tasty plate of Liliana.
hey i did say make it a choice didn't i,i would like him to give that option,i'd never "demand" he does so.
just seems the best option to make it so IMO,that way he can give both sides what they wanted.
no need to let down any side for that.

if he for some reason couldn't and did force her path ,i wouldn't like it but i wouldn't abandon or dislike the entire VN because of it.
 
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Dude she's literally living vicariously through your sex life.
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In point of fact
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And as for my own games. I lost both my parents this year, My mother just a month ago. And the game was not being successfull plus I was being harassed by harem nutjobs from this very forum. Nothing like being bombarded by self important dickwads arguing about what constitutes NTR and harem purity while you're grieving. But go off .. I tried to make two games. One was overambitious the other flopped. I may well come back to development at some point. In fact I hope to do so. But right now I am struggling to find the motivation to struggle through one more miserable day let alone find the creative energy to develop a game. But we are talking about Fiery Scion here. I suggest you refrain from passive aggressive comments about my development history. Because for as much as I am not a successfull developer. That doesn't invalidate my opinions nor does it say anything about my opinion on THIS game or it's plot.

On a side note if I ever do go back into development I'm not gonna take a cent for it just gonna do it for a hobby. Trying to please people who did nothing but shit on my work and make demands is what killed my motivation in the first place. But I need to get my life stable first. There's this little issue of being able to afford groceries and utility bills that I need to deal with first. People have real life to deal with. And it often sucks ass.
 

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Dude she's literally living vicariously through your sex life.
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well it was said that being Lustfull is sorta a requirement for being a priestess of ishtar,and making baby's is a big part off that,when she heard about the MC "closing"(slowing down actually) his harem she pleaded on behalf off the households childless women.
hearing about the MC's sexlife isn't a reason as to why she'd have to marry him instead off someone else,and we going sit here and pretend wanting her for her body is bad or something because im pretty sure it's a big reason why so many want her,as for her power she's strong but you could find stronger/more powerful women in other sect's ,as Isthar is mostly about fertility not strength or power.
There are plenty off decent other options out there,i know the MC is that top 1% man but he isn't the only Good man in the world.

And no the reason why i don't want to take a Lilianna path is her being"used goods", there are plenty widows in the harem.
the reason is mostly that she's also kinda a mother figure for the MC,not just as Athgan's wife but also that she helped raise him alongside him.
i don't really want to bed and marry my fathers wife a month after he died. who also happens to fill a mother figure role.

In point of fact
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there is no real big political reason to marry Lilliana after athagan dies, the MC is heir most off what athagans had/has will go to him,most importantly being the head of the house, depending on which family holds she then belongs to(remaining in athagans or returning to her parents side) the mc would ether have complete authority and if its her parents side he'd likely ensure or enforce her will,and that's ignoring the fact ishtar priestesses have the right to choose themselves.
Sariel wouldn't have to stick her neck out to save her,but she's the type to do so regardless if not because she's her friend then for Athgan.
but again all that depends on that she "HAS" to remarry...there is always still the option that she's infertile and no longer has to acording to ishtars teachings

And as for my own games. I lost both my parents this year, My mother just a month ago. And the game was not being successfull plus I was being harassed by harem nutjobs from this very forum. Nothing like being bombarded by self important dickwads arguing about what constitutes NTR and harem purity while you're grieving. But go off .. I tried to make two games. One was overambitious the other flopped. I may well come back to development at some point. In fact I hope to do so. But right now I am struggling to find the motivation to struggle through one more miserable day let alone find the creative energy to develop a game. But we are talking about Fiery Scion here. I suggest you refrain from passive aggressive comments about my development history. Because for as much as I am not a successfull developer. That doesn't invalidate my opinions nor does it say anything about my opinion on THIS game or it's plot.

On a side note if I ever do go back into development I'm not gonna take a cent for it just gonna do it for a hobby. Trying to please people who did nothing but shit on my work and make demands is what killed my motivation in the first place. But I need to get my life stable first. There's this little issue of being able to afford groceries and utility bills that I need to deal with first. People have real life to deal with. And it often sucks ass.
it was ment that as a slight jab for the " As for 'abandoning the fans' Not to be an asshole but screw fans like that. "comment

the loss off your parents this year is most certainly valid reason to be able to produce content and i mean that.
but i won't actually apologize for it.(if you're curious to why shoot me a DM because its to crude to do publicly)

many dev's have struggle's in their lives which sadly does kill VN's and the back & forth on tags and what fans would like to see or not see will always stay(kinda like we've been doing).
there is no such thing as a "invalid" opinion,and i very much like debating oppisits but in the end there is no right or wrong its all subjective.
and yes people have real life to deal with,and it often does sucks ass. for dev's ,fans and just general people.
 
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Sticking to game discussion. I think you're underestimating the social kudos of having Athagan's wife in your harem. As well as the sick pleasure some people might get out of fucking Athagans woman. (Especially any enemies he may have made.) Which is doubly dangerous as they would no doubt revenge themselves on her. Also she's hot as fuck and in a desperate social/religious situation. That's going to attract predators. I'm not saying that they'd get political leverage out of it. That type at least might be reasonable if ambitious. In fact THOSE types will absolutely be looking for better matches than her. What she's going to GET is assholes looking for someone they can walk all over and slap around when they get out of line. And who are primarily concerned with tits and ass. Hell even if she can't get pregnant that might be a plus for them.

It's been made pretty clear that most men in this setting are pretty up themselves. And being in the situation she is in would make that problem so much worse. It would filter out most people looking for a mother for their kids. Probably all tho want a political marriage. And just leave the scum who just want to turn her into a 'bed slave'.

Compare that risk to the MC. And frankly she might even have an agreement with Athagan to offer herself to the MC as soon as the dust has settled.
 

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Lilianna didn't help raise main character (MC) Henri: he was already raised. That happened in the tower, and when he came to Wildale and Athagan adopted him for political reasons, MC was already adult.
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I think it's the celebration of Monica's bar opening that Vander teased. That's why I was wondering how Helen's parents arrived in Windale so quickly. As for the strange lady next to Helen's father, I don't think it's his wife. what's the point of him dragging her so far if he didn't take her to a meeting with MC and Helen...
Yep, it's the "soft opening" of The Three Cups. As for why Helen's parents are there :
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It's more than likely that he has several - a long-lived, successful merchant and all.
Yes, he has several wives, but the woman in the screenshot is Helen's sister.

And Liliana is CLEARLY only exempt because she's married .. to the biggest badass in the realm no less.
Nope, that's because she's married, period. Ishtar "portfolio", so to speak, also include marriage, and divorces aren't a thing except in extreme circumstances. And getting gelded after being captured because you were weak after decimating a whole army of demons that tried to invade the mortal plane is not one of those circumstances.

And Liliana genuinely love her husband to bits. And he love her, too. Would she have wished a few more children? Absolutely. Would she leave or cheat on her husband to do so? Absolutely not. Her duty to her husband is sacred to her, and again, she loves him.
 

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Trying to please people who did nothing but shit on my work and make demands is what killed my motivation in the first place.
That's your problem. Don't try to satisfy those guys, do what you want to do. If you start doing things that you're not into, you're gonna love it, and that's not good for motivation. The story of TFS is not everyone c-up of tea, but that's the story I wanted to tell, and wanted to play as a player.

And ignore the haters. Not simple, I know, but that's the only way. Keep the constructive criticism in mind, sure, it's important. The rest, just ignore. Especially the ultra orthodox harem brigade...

Now, if you promised something at the start of your game and don't follow through, that's different. I think it's important to respect those promises, because it's wrong to entice players with false promises. But you will always have some people bitching.
 

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Nope, that's because she's married, period. Ishtar "portfolio", so to speak, also include marriage, and divorces aren't a thing except in extreme circumstances. And getting gelded after being captured because you were weak after decimating a whole army of demons that tried to invade the mortal plane is not one of those circumstances.

That really wasn't what i meant to say. I do get that marriage is sacred in this setting and she loves him to bits. I was simply saying that obviously there are those that don't adhere to the spirit of the law. And she might face some pressure to leave him considering his condition. If he wasn't .. Athagan. And frankly I would consider your man getting his ability to reproduce removed as being 'extreme circumstances' in Ishtar's religion lol. But it's your setting. Just trying to clarify what I was saying.

Also yeah i'm beginning to get that. The point about ignoring the peanut galleryt that is .. To be frank my game was going to have some optional sharing scenes for the harem. It wasn't as monogamy focused as yours is. So that ended up riling up the harem purists crowd. Who's experience of the word harem derives ENTIRELY from anime lol. To me that's just an excuse to not compare themselves to other men in the setting. It's a form of insecurity. And to put it in the crudest possible terms I think that sharing a ho with your bro in complete confidence that she aint gonna leave you for them IS one of the most self confident and masculine affirming things a guy can do.

But you can imagine how that riled some people up. To me a lot of hentai games feel a little. Patronizing, It's like I know you can't deal with competition so we're going to write it so you don't have any. I wanted to write a game where the MC projects pure unshatterable self confidence. And doesn't hold his women to a double standard.

It's honestly a thing I like about your game. Some women are with, And happy with other men and that's okay. Sure you don't have the sharing part but you know what I mean.
 
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Also yeah i'm beginning to get that. The point about ignoring the peanut galleryt that is .. To be frank my game was going to have some optional sharing scenes for the harem. It wasn't as monogamy focused as yours is. So that ended up riling up the harem purists crowd. Who's experience of the word harem derives ENTIRELY from anime lol. To me that's just an excuse to not compare themselves to other men in the setting. It's a form of insecurity. And to put it in the crudest possible terms I think that sharing a ho with your bro in complete confidence that she aint gonna leave you for them IS one of the most self confident and masculine affirming things a guy can do.
To be fair, it has less to do with the "harem crowd" as you put it that don't care for the MC sharing his love interests than it does with the majority of any crowd. Plus a harem isn't monogamy, it would be a form of polygamy called polygyny, even more so if they get married where it's one man and multiple wives where the MC is centered and the women may or may not dabble with each other. A lot of the harem crowd are more into closed poly relationships. The harems derived from anime are usually not "harem" as you'd called it since a majority of the Japanese "harem" trope it's mostly just one male MC and multiple love interests vying to be the MC's lover, but primarily focuses on one love interest and the MC doesn't accept multiple love interests as lovers.

As for you liking sharing, that's cool and your thing. A person who doesn't want to share their lover doesn't make one insecure, not confident, etc. It's more you either like sharing your lover or you don't.
 
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