VN Ren'Py Abandoned The Fosters: Back 2 School [v0.6.a2] [_13_]

[FuhQ6969]

wait what? I thought that was a surefire way to get your game thrown into the void on here

It's weird as some are on here no problem with a separate loli patch and others are not, patch or not. Risky if you want your AVN on here for sure but not "surefire void" at all.

 

[skullert]

if he gave up his development carrere cause of marige?
why did he give it op, he had a stable income.
work is work, privite privite.
learn from europe where we work to live, and not amarika where work is their eintire life.

 

[moondrake]

Did this get picked up again? I thought the dev ditched it and deleted all of his files months ago.

 

[Milkman69]

if he gave up his development carrere cause of marige?
why did he give it op, he had a stable income.
work is work, privite privite.
learn from europe where we work to live, and not amarika where work is their eintire life.

So, it has been about a year or more since I read 13 give his own story on what happened and why he decided to permanently stop development completely. He gave a detailed account to those of us at a specific subscriber tier (I can't remember how high). The following is going to be much shorter and more vague between an attempt on me to respect his wishes for things to stay as private as possible, and me just not remembering due to also having left the discord server since.

Many people, due to the way that 13 wrote his final public messages, immediately blamed his wife, but he made it clear that this was absolutely not the case. His game development had become something of an obsession that ate into his free time and strained their marriage, but he and his wife had found ways to make it work by using the extra money he was earning to go on vacations together. Many fans speculated that the loli and incest subject matter were what made his wife tell him to stop. Again, this was not the case. She was aware of the subject matter, and while she was decidedly not into it, she told him that it was his thing and she didn't mind so long as it was kept away from her eyes.

The true reason why 13 decided to end all game development was due to what sounded like a fairly traumatizing incident with law enforcement. I'm certain 13 mentioned being from the US, but I don't remember if he said which state he lived in, and I wouldn't tell if I did know, so the legality of loli depending on what state he lived in at the time is in question. On their return from a vacation overseas, 13 and his wife were pulled aside by customs agents and separated. At first, they thought it was a routine random inspection. It was not.

First his wife was grilled. Then he was pulled in and questioned. I can't remember if he said if this was just border customs or the FBI, but the agents had him unlock his phone and show them his discord server for the game. They asked him where on the server they could find the real CSAM. 13, taken aback, explained that there was no real CSAM on the server, only fictional pornographic content of teenaged characters. He happily showed them everything, but they routinely tried to catch him up by asking the question over and over again in different forms, a typical interrogation tactic. After a lengthy amount of time, they told him he was free to leave, but his phone, devices, and hard drives all needed to be combed through for illegal material. 13 told us that they found nothing because he had nothing of the sort on any device, and since he was able to update us months later, clearly he was telling the truth. I can't remember if he said if he ever got all of his devices back, though.

Keep in mind, Westy's arrest by the Australian government was still fresh in everyone's minds around this time, so 13 decided that one incident like this was more than enough. I can't remember if he said whether or not his wife had a hand in this, but given his account, I fully believe that he would've come to this conclusion no matter what. He simply did not want to risk his freedom for what he considered a fun hobby that pulled in some extra cash. He told us that he deleted everything that had to do with any games he had developed and would cease completely with absolutely no intentions of returning. Even if they hadn't arrested him now, who could tell when loli content would be made fully illegal or not. The risk simply wasn't worth it.

My theory? Given how many loli devs have been targeted over the years, I have no doubt that some overzealous loli hater, enraged by pixels, reported 13 to the FBI or similar authorities, and they managed to find his real identity. Since they couldn't get a warrant to search him for loli content alone and with nothing to suggest probable cause for a search warrant, his information was sent to US Customs and Border Protection to flag him down and search him the next time he reentered the country. It's a sneaky trick to avoid going through the difficulty of getting an actual search warrant.

In any case, 13 almost certainly doesn't plan on coming back unless the legality of loli content is enshrined into law or something. It's a shame, as dozens of loli devs have fallen victim to moral keyboard crusaders over the past few years.

 

[FuhQ6969]

Did this get picked up again? I thought the dev ditched it and deleted all of his files months ago.

Nope, still abandoned, guessing this was added to latest updates because it had like an unfinished alpha added that some tester had, though a bit late as some sites have had the same latest version for almost a year now.

 

[TBone9]

if he gave up his development carrere cause of marige?
why did he give it op, he had a stable income.
work is work, privite privite.
learn from europe where we work to live, and not amarika where work is their eintire life.

OK, I take it back. it didn't even take two pages for someone to post a "he quit because of his marriage" message. Rather than re-explain it and do a worse job than the poster who did, I'll just point you back one page. Look for a rather long message right around the middle of the page, and a very helpful person makes a great explanation of what exactly happened. And next time, just read at least a little bit and see if your question might have already been answered.

 

[Battle Brother Anon]

Thank you for the update. It is unfortunate that 13 and his wife did not have a lawyer present, but I am not going to nitpick their actions and reactions. Anyone stuck in that kind of situation has to deal with it as best he or she can. The description you gave included multiple, sophisticated techniques designed to unnerve those involved and steer them into making mistakes that could get them arrested. If anyone thinks it impossible to find grounds for arresting an innocent, law-abiding citizen, you are mistaken. It happens quite often. Usually, those wrongly arrested are later released, but not without serious impact upon their lives. The fact that 13 is unwilling to endure another such experience is quite understandable.

It sounded to me like it was all so sudden and the two just didn't know what to do in that situation. I believe he also said that his wife is a naturalized US citizen, so an incident with CBP spooked them even further.

Were his border crossings somehow connected with Australia?

To my knowledge, no. If I remember right, it was a cruise that they were returning from.

Now it is obvious why he married her!

Yes, that definitely explains why he suddenly deleted every trace of his works. This wouldn't have made nearly as much sense if it was just a disagreement with his wife. And I do remember that it happened very abruptly after he returned from a trip overseas, so everything tracks.

Thank you for such a detailed explanation. Hopefully, it will shut down all the "He did it because of his nagging wife" talk. Well, at least for a couple of pages, when it gets past the point of being too much trouble to read back for the average forum poster. I think everyone needs to keep a bookmark to your posting and post a link to it whenever the subject comes up again, just to nip it in the bud.

Yeah, I felt kinda bad sitting on the knowledge while seeing so many people in here scream that it must be the evil wife's fault. I'm all for some woman hating, as a treat, but his wife definitely didn't deserve to be slandered like this, even if it ultimately wouldn't affect her. I was frankly somewhat surprised to not see anyone else mention the true story. To be fair, I think there was only a double digits amount of people left in that channel at the time.

I would have gotten a lawyer and told the agents to fuck off without said lawyer present. As far as state law (TX I'm fairly sure in this case, hints of such are often in his stories if one pays attention) that won't mean much if/when the feds get involved, unless SCOTUS revisits the issue and overturns the loli decision they made back in 2002 (a real possibility with the bunch of conservative clowns now on the bench). Also I'd take this as a lesson for American loli devs to simply be more like most and never go anywhere that requires a passport, problem solved. Personally I've never even left my city since 2017, and that was just for a day to go see the total eclipse in Nashville TN (seeing a total eclipse now off the bucket list, pretty cool when it goes from 2PM to 9PM in matter of seconds, complete with crickets and night birds waking up early).

Currently, even without the legal ruling, even normal porn devs are being targeted by people and groups such as Collective Shout who weaponize payment processors. I remember telling people in here when some celebrated loli games getting booted off patreon and subscribestar that loli was just the start and soon we'd see way more porn games getting axed across the internet and even Steam. Westy was just the beginning, but since his arrest I've seen probably a dozen or so loli devs get canceled in one way or another. Incest devs have found clever ways to circumvent bans, but I've got a feeling that they're next if we don't see porn games entirely get hit hard as a whole first.

 

[FuhQ6969]

Currently, even without the legal ruling, even normal porn devs are being targeted by people and groups such as Collective Shout who weaponize payment processors. I remember telling people in here when some celebrated loli games getting booted off patreon and subscribestar that loli was just the start and soon we'd see way more porn games getting axed across the internet and even Steam. Westy was just the beginning, but since his arrest I've seen probably a dozen or so loli devs get canceled in one way or another. Incest devs have found clever ways to circumvent bans, but I've got a feeling that they're next if we don't see porn games entirely get hit hard as a whole first.

Part of me is actually hoping the credit cards simply ban all porn and nudity as well instead of just the kinks they don't like. It will probably take nothing less than such an existential threat to the entire porn industry of that magnitude for them to finally get fed up enough to either move to crypto en masse (no crypto payment option then no porn for you, other than the 10-20yo free shit everyone has already seen 100x) or band together as an industry and make their own adult-only bank and start processing their own damned payments. As a bonus if they also owned their own bank they wouldn't need to give 2 fucks about what a bunch of Karens 10,000 miles away in some foreign country no one gives a shit about want.

 

[Badboll]

Part of me is actually hoping the credit cards simply ban all porn and nudity as well instead of just the kinks they don't like. It will probably take nothing less than such an existential threat to the entire porn industry of that magnitude for them to finally get fed up enough to either move to crypto en masse (no crypto payment option then no porn for you, other than the 10-20yo free shit everyone has already seen 100x) or band together as an industry and make their own adult-only bank and start processing their own damned payments. As a bonus if they also owned their own bank they wouldn't need to give 2 fucks about what a bunch of Karens 10,000 miles away in some foreign country no one gives a shit about want.

Yeah this would help most devs out there. IT just needs someone with massive cash flow to start it. Pornhub or maybe steam should have started it, instead of bending the knee.

 

[FuhQ6969]

Yeah this would help most devs out there. IT just needs someone with massive cash flow to start it. Pornhub or maybe steam should have started it, instead of bending the knee.

Valve/Steam are probably the last ones that would do it, while they have a billion to spare by taking a 30% cut of everyone on there if porn was banned there's not incentive to do so and would simply remove all porn from Steam, as that's only a tiny % of their income from mostly just normal AAA and indie games anyway, in part due to porn sales only come from a very few countries where that's legal (ex: Steam would be required to take everyone picture ID for proof of age to be allowed to sell porn in Germany, so they don't feel like dealing with that and simply don't sell it there). There are already a few dl sites/payment platforms that do their own in-house payment processing, but they only operate in their own countries (eg Japan, Brazil, etc) as going global presents the same headaches that make businesses let Visa/MC deal with. Really no one needs to be global to make a decent profit anyway, The US market alone would be plenty big enough (and where half of decent non-crap AVN devs are from anyway).
Pornhub briefly tried crypto awhile back when Visa/MC cut them off for basically allowing underage pimps on there, but we know how that turned out when they also bent a knee and deleted 3/4 of all their videos, starting requiring ID's to upload, removed incest and other kinks that made them worth a shit from other sites as well as the download button to where you now have to screen capture it if you want it, etc.

 

[_13_]

So, it has been about a year or more since I read 13 give his own story on what happened and why he decided to permanently stop development completely. He gave a detailed account to those of us at a specific subscriber tier (I can't remember how high). The following is going to be much shorter and more vague between an attempt on me to respect his wishes for things to stay as private as possible, and me just not remembering due to also having left the discord server since.

Many people, due to the way that 13 wrote his final public messages, immediately blamed his wife, but he made it clear that this was absolutely not the case. His game development had become something of an obsession that ate into his free time and strained their marriage, but he and his wife had found ways to make it work by using the extra money he was earning to go on vacations together. Many fans speculated that the loli and incest subject matter were what made his wife tell him to stop. Again, this was not the case. She was aware of the subject matter, and while she was decidedly not into it, she told him that it was his thing and she didn't mind so long as it was kept away from her eyes.

The true reason why 13 decided to end all game development was due to what sounded like a fairly traumatizing incident with law enforcement. I'm certain 13 mentioned being from the US, but I don't remember if he said which state he lived in, and I wouldn't tell if I did know, so the legality of loli depending on what state he lived in at the time is in question. On their return from a vacation overseas, 13 and his wife were pulled aside by customs agents and separated. At first, they thought it was a routine random inspection. It was not.

First his wife was grilled. Then he was pulled in and questioned. I can't remember if he said if this was just border customs or the FBI, but the agents had him unlock his phone and show them his discord server for the game. They asked him where on the server they could find the real CSAM. 13, taken aback, explained that there was no real CSAM on the server, only fictional pornographic content of teenaged characters. He happily showed them everything, but they routinely tried to catch him up by asking the question over and over again in different forms, a typical interrogation tactic. After a lengthy amount of time, they told him he was free to leave, but his phone, devices, and hard drives all needed to be combed through for illegal material. 13 told us that they found nothing because he had nothing of the sort on any device, and since he was able to update us months later, clearly he was telling the truth. I can't remember if he said if he ever got all of his devices back, though.

Keep in mind, Westy's arrest by the Australian government was still fresh in everyone's minds around this time, so 13 decided that one incident like this was more than enough. I can't remember if he said whether or not his wife had a hand in this, but given his account, I fully believe that he would've come to this conclusion no matter what. He simply did not want to risk his freedom for what he considered a fun hobby that pulled in some extra cash. He told us that he deleted everything that had to do with any games he had developed and would cease completely with absolutely no intentions of returning. Even if they hadn't arrested him now, who could tell when loli content would be made fully illegal or not. The risk simply wasn't worth it.

My theory? Given how many loli devs have been targeted over the years, I have no doubt that some overzealous loli hater, enraged by pixels, reported 13 to the FBI or similar authorities, and they managed to find his real identity. Since they couldn't get a warrant to search him for loli content alone and with nothing to suggest probable cause for a search warrant, his information was sent to US Customs and Border Protection to flag him down and search him the next time he reentered the country. It's a sneaky trick to avoid going through the difficulty of getting an actual search warrant.

In any case, 13 almost certainly doesn't plan on coming back unless the legality of loli content is enshrined into law or something. It's a shame, as dozens of loli devs have fallen victim to moral keyboard crusaders over the past few years.

This is a fairly accurate and more thorough explanation of why I stopped so suddenly. There are some details missing here and there, but it is good enough. Also, this mentions the first time I was stopped by Homeland Security, but it wasn't the last time. Oh, and even American citizens don't have the same rights at border crossings that they would when normally dealing with the police.

Maybe I'll get my phone back someday. Not that it matters any more, it's an additional 2 years old now.

 

[Noneseriously10]

This is a fairly accurate and more thorough explanation of why I stopped so suddenly. There are some details missing here and there, but it is good enough. Also, this mentions the first time I was stopped by Homeland Security, but it wasn't the last time. Oh, and even American citizens don't have the same rights at border crossings that they would when normally dealing with the police.

Maybe I'll get my phone back someday. Not that it matters any more, it's an additional 2 years old now.

Wow...

 

[FuhQ6969]

This is a fairly accurate and more thorough explanation of why I stopped so suddenly. There are some details missing here and there, but it is good enough. Also, this mentions the first time I was stopped by Homeland Security, but it wasn't the last time. Oh, and even American citizens don't have the same rights at border crossings that they would when normally dealing with the police.

Maybe I'll get my phone back someday. Not that it matters any more, it's an additional 2 years old now.

Well, at least now future American loli devs know to simply burn their passport and never cross the border (most Americans don't have a passport anyway) or if they do simply leave their daily phones at home and use disposable burners. I'm sure there's an app to send vacation pictures taken directly to your home PC and then just trash it before even getting near the border.

 

[Battle Brother Anon]

This is a fairly accurate and more thorough explanation of why I stopped so suddenly. There are some details missing here and there, but it is good enough. Also, this mentions the first time I was stopped by Homeland Security, but it wasn't the last time. Oh, and even American citizens don't have the same rights at border crossings that they would when normally dealing with the police.

Maybe I'll get my phone back someday. Not that it matters any more, it's an additional 2 years old now.

I'm glad that I was able to convey it mostly accurate. I'm sorry for posting it publicly since it seemed like you wished for it to only be known to a select amount of people, but thought that it was of interest for any fans who hadn't heard yet and it would stop the endless speculation of your wife being some horrible controlling person. I had remembered you'd mentioned a second stop by the feds, but it hadn't been as bad and I didn't feel like it was too important to the general message.