The people saying "just dump your wife and focus on porn games" are really unintentionally hilarious.
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I do know a couple of attached devs that make that type of content and their partners are cool with it. One even helps by doing the story writing part. As I said before he should have just showed her the door and either stayed single or found someone that doesn't give a shit or maybe even shared his (fictional) kinks. Really ideally everyone should stay single and not have kids and just let the human race quietly go extinct while the generations still alive either just fap to porn or make it for everyone else to fap to.
I sure as fuck would have. I don't do ultimatums or whatever the fuck happened. I'd rather jack off for the rest of my life than put up with shit like that (single for 24 years now and counting and regretting nothing).
LPyxel
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Yeah, look... Someone who makes that type of stuff on the regular, and multiple games at that, doesn't just have a "fictional kink." It's a very BAD kink they're directing into a piece of media so they don't go out and do it in real life. Also I see now you're just a delusional person so I'm not gonna engage with you anymore.
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. Downloading issues? Look here.Media = who cares when it's not hurting anyone real, whatever the kink is, don't like it then simply don't play it. It's funny how people decry or get outraged about games like 13's yet when it comes to killing someone in GTA or the far worse ones where the corpses are also cannibalised in survival horror genres no one even blinks an eye and certainly don't assume the devs of that are murderers and cannibals in real life. As far as delusional apparently I'm far from the only one, the voluntary human extinction movement has been a thing for several decades now.
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Not in this one. Abandoned probably an update or 2 before that was gonna happen.
Wouldn't be a big lost imo.
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Not a bad thing to live by especially if she's so controlling. Everyone should keep at least a little independence from their spouse or they'll never be happy
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So, it has been about a year or more since I read 13 give his own story on what happened and why he decided to permanently stop development completely. He gave a detailed account to those of us at a specific subscriber tier (I can't remember how high). The following is going to be much shorter and more vague between an attempt on me to respect his wishes for things to stay as private as possible, and me just not remembering due to also having left the discord server since.
Many people, due to the way that 13 wrote his final public messages, immediately blamed his wife, but he made it clear that this was absolutely not the case. His game development had become something of an obsession that ate into his free time and strained their marriage, but he and his wife had found ways to make it work by using the extra money he was earning to go on vacations together. Many fans speculated that the loli and incest subject matter were what made his wife tell him to stop. Again, this was not the case. She was aware of the subject matter, and while she was decidedly not into it, she told him that it was his thing and she didn't mind so long as it was kept away from her eyes.
The true reason why 13 decided to end all game development was due to what sounded like a fairly traumatizing incident with law enforcement. I'm certain 13 mentioned being from the US, but I don't remember if he said which state he lived in, and I wouldn't tell if I did know, so the legality of loli depending on what state he lived in at the time is in question. On their return from a vacation overseas, 13 and his wife were pulled aside by customs agents and separated. At first, they thought it was a routine random inspection. It was not.
First his wife was grilled. Then he was pulled in and questioned. I can't remember if he said if this was just border customs or the FBI, but the agents had him unlock his phone and show them his discord server for the game. They asked him where on the server they could find the real CSAM. 13, taken aback, explained that there was no real CSAM on the server, only fictional pornographic content of teenaged characters. He happily showed them everything, but they routinely tried to catch him up by asking the question over and over again in different forms, a typical interrogation tactic. After a lengthy amount of time, they told him he was free to leave, but his phone, devices, and hard drives all needed to be combed through for illegal material. 13 told us that they found nothing because he had nothing of the sort on any device, and since he was able to update us months later, clearly he was telling the truth. I can't remember if he said if he ever got all of his devices back, though.
Keep in mind, Westy's arrest by the Australian government was still fresh in everyone's minds around this time, so 13 decided that one incident like this was more than enough. I can't remember if he said whether or not his wife had a hand in this, but given his account, I fully believe that he would've come to this conclusion no matter what. He simply did not want to risk his freedom for what he considered a fun hobby that pulled in some extra cash. He told us that he deleted everything that had to do with any games he had developed and would cease completely with absolutely no intentions of returning. Even if they hadn't arrested him now, who could tell when loli content would be made fully illegal or not. The risk simply wasn't worth it.
My theory? Given how many loli devs have been targeted over the years, I have no doubt that some overzealous loli hater, enraged by pixels, reported 13 to the FBI or similar authorities, and they managed to find his real identity. Since they couldn't get a warrant to search him for loli content alone and with nothing to suggest probable cause for a search warrant, his information was sent to US Customs and Border Protection to flag him down and search him the next time he reentered the country. It's a sneaky trick to avoid going through the difficulty of getting an actual search warrant.
In any case, 13 almost certainly doesn't plan on coming back unless the legality of loli content is enshrined into law or something. It's a shame, as dozens of loli devs have fallen victim to moral keyboard crusaders over the past few years.
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Thank you for the update. It is unfortunate that 13 and his wife did not have a lawyer present, but I am not going to nitpick their actions and reactions. Anyone stuck in that kind of situation has to deal with it as best he or she can. The description you gave included multiple, sophisticated techniques designed to unnerve those involved and steer them into making mistakes that could get them arrested. If anyone thinks it impossible to find grounds for arresting an innocent, law-abiding citizen, you are mistaken. It happens quite often. Usually, those wrongly arrested are later released, but not without serious impact upon their lives. The fact that 13 is unwilling to endure another such experience is quite understandable.
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wait what? I thought that was a surefire way to get your game thrown into the void on here
Now it is obvious why he married her!
Yes, that definitely explains why he suddenly deleted every trace of his works. This wouldn't have made nearly as much sense if it was just a disagreement with his wife. And I do remember that it happened very abruptly after he returned from a trip overseas, so everything tracks.
Thank you for such a detailed explanation. Hopefully, it will shut down all the "He did it because of his nagging wife" talk. Well, at least for a couple of pages, when it gets past the point of being too much trouble to read back for the average forum poster. I think everyone needs to keep a bookmark to your posting and post a link to it whenever the subject comes up again, just to nip it in the bud.
I would have gotten a lawyer and told the agents to fuck off without said lawyer present. As far as state law (TX I'm fairly sure in this case, hints of such are often in his stories if one pays attention) that won't mean much if/when the feds get involved, unless SCOTUS revisits the issue and overturns the loli decision they made back in 2002 (a real possibility with the bunch of conservative clowns now on the bench). Also I'd take this as a lesson for American loli devs to simply be more like most and never go anywhere that requires a passport, problem solved. Personally I've never even left my city since 2017, and that was just for a day to go see the total eclipse in Nashville TN (seeing a total eclipse now off the bucket list, pretty cool when it goes from 2PM to 9PM in matter of seconds, complete with crickets and night birds waking up early).
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You know, a lot of “conservative clowns” do not think pixilated characters pose a threat to national security or influence people to do X,Y or Z. Leave politics off the forum please.
LPyxel
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From what I've seen this specific game doesn't really feature much of that, and the characters that are a bit younger are just teens. He does have other games where it's just actual kids.