CuteLilNori

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Ruth and Zoe will be the main opponents of the Headmaster. A few of the students can be expected to side with them... I'm thinking any number of Louise, Cassandra, Harriet, April, Donna & Ada. The rest should stay on-side.
If Louise was involved with Zoe's side to against HM, shouldn't Mary be with her? Surely I can tell the Twins are still up to get revenge on HM for paddling them while exposing their breasts earlier.
 

TheDevian

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A character like Zoe makes sense to me, and if she looks like that, even better.
Not to me, she is not only trying to doom herself for the rest of her life, but all of the other girls as well. Only a moron or a masochist would want that.
If Louise was involved with Zoe's side to against HM, shouldn't Mary be with her? Surely I can tell the Twins are still up to get revenge on HM for paddling them while exposing their breasts earlier.
Mary has started to see the error of her ways.
 

shadowtempered

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Priti is too precious. I could not go down the true corruption route with her
I don't even remember her true corruption route at this point. Other than cutting out the other teacher, since I don't share :p
Handing out photos to Mylock was a bit of "whatever" but it's been so long since I've done a new run to recall.
 

TheDevian

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I don't even remember her true corruption route at this point. Other than cutting out the other teacher, since I don't share :p
Handing out photos to Mylock was a bit of "whatever" but it's been so long since I've done a new run to recall.
The worst one, was where you don't use the modeling excuse, and just punish her for no reason to get what you want.
But, that leads to a bad end when Ruth catches you.

But yeah, protecting Priti (from Mr. Willson) is the only reason I hired Trixie. I really did not want to do that.
 

raven54

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The Patreons once again made literally every single wrong decision in the poll. Really, really wish the Patreon poll crap would just stop. They just always go for the most horny and obvious stuff with no consideration for how a more subtle scene might develop.
I feel like this is the same as on VNDB. When looking at votes, nukige is the most popular genre (mindless sex with little to no story) while reading the posts makes it one of the most hated genre. It almost feels like there are a lot of people out there wanting porn, not wanting written stories and such people don't read or write forum posts.

While I too rarely if ever fully agree with the patreon poll results, I will point out that without the patreons there would be no business model for developing the headmaster and it would probably have stalled at some point.
 

HappyNyaNya

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pls tell me there is any way to turn of the moaning, i just started the game and god not only does it sound like it was recorded 20 years ago in terms of quality the moaning when the first girl is spanked doesn't even fit her in any way

i guess i could turn of sounds overall but it's only the moaning that really annoys me not all sounds, so can anyone tell me if there is a way to turn ONLY the moaning of, like some mod or anything
 
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HappyNyaNya

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I feel like this is the same as on VNDB. When looking at votes, nukige is the most popular genre (mindless sex with little to no story) while reading the posts makes it one of the most hated genre. It almost feels like there are a lot of people out there wanting porn, not wanting written stories and such people don't read or write forum posts.

While I too rarely if ever fully agree with the patreon poll results, I will point out that without the patreons there would be no business model for developing the headmaster and it would probably have stalled at some point.
i get it but honestly you can offer patreons so much more or change what kind of polls they have

alternatively you could simply create a few characters just for the patreons so they can decide with them what happens to them, they could even go as far as create a character for every patreon tier or something like that

overall i also feel like most games with story really suffer from patreon polls since you can#t really plan out your story or certain plots since it all depends on the patreons and having to always consider all results and already plan forward would be to much work, so stories turn more and more generic and shallow
 

Boblet

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While I too rarely if ever fully agree with the patreon poll results, I will point out that without the patreons there would be no business model for developing the headmaster and it would probably have stalled at some point.
Yes, but this happens a lot. A game is succesful because of the developer's vision. They introduce patreon polls and that vision is derailed. The polls become a distraction. If George R. Martin had submitted his creative decisions after the first book to reader polls, Game of Thrones would have been crap as a series. (Oh, and he would have finished even less of it).

The patreons would still be there regardless of the polls imo.
 

raven54

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Back in year 2000 a movie named Thomas and the magic railroad was released to cinemas. It wasn't a huge success. Turns out that the investors had the idea to show an early version of it to a focus group and they wrote down all the feedback. They then turned it into an itemized list, which they gave to the instructor and said this is what the viewers want so the movie has to have those. They had a fight, but money talks and they all made it into the movie. Maybe the individual requirements were not that bad on their own, but they clashed with each other and they didn't really work with the original idea. The movie has never really made it into the Thomas fandom (like I think movie only characters have never been used again etc) and it's mostly ignored today. Wouldn't surprise me if a lot of Thomas fans doesn't even know it exist.
For reference it has 4.2 stars out of 10 on IMDB. That's quite bad. I saw it ages ago and while I don't remember it as that bad, it wasn't great either. Trying to merge the American and the European lore into a single movie doesn't really work and I don't think that was a focus group decision, so the focus group issue alone isn't the only issue.

In other words not sticking to a clear vision is a story telling issue, not a visual novel specific issue.

overall i also feel like most games with story really suffer from patreon polls since you can't really plan out your story or certain plots since it all depends on the patreons and having to always consider all results and already plan forward would be to much work, so stories turn more and more generic and shallow
So patreons are needed for the financial part to work, but also patreons destroys everything and shouldn't exist. The real answer is likely a middle path. I remember at one time there was a patreon poll asking which girl to do next. All the girls would be done eventually and the patreons had no influence on what would happen to each girl. That poll added value to being a patreon while it didn't cause issues for the vision of the story. In other words it seems that polls are doable, but they aren't trivial to make because all the answers will have to meet the requirements to fit into the original vision.

Having a hunch how people vote, I'm actually kind of surprised that the current end of Emily's route haven't been voted in, but maybe it has not been possible to vote for in the polls. That's another issue with the polls. People vote for something new, so half finished work seems to be left behind.

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Xantoser

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Back in year 2000 a movie named Thomas and the magic railroad was released to cinemas. It wasn't a huge success. Turns out that the investors had the idea to show an early version of it to a focus group and they wrote down all the feedback. They then turned it into an itemized list, which they gave to the instructor and said this is what the viewers want so the movie has to have those. They had a fight, but money talks and they all made it into the movie. Maybe the individual requirements were not that bad on their own, but they clashed with each other and they didn't really work with the original idea. The movie has never really made it into the Thomas fandom (like I think movie only characters have never been used again etc) and it's mostly ignored today. Wouldn't surprise me if a lot of Thomas fans doesn't even know it exist.
For reference it has 4.2 stars out of 10 on IMDB. That's quite bad. I saw it ages ago and while I don't remember it as that bad, it wasn't great either. Trying to merge the American and the European lore into a single movie doesn't really work and I don't think that was a focus group decision, so the focus group issue alone isn't the only issue.

In other words not sticking to a clear vision is a story telling issue, not a visual novel specific issue.


So patreons are needed for the financial part to work, but also patreons destroys everything and shouldn't exist. The real answer is likely a middle path. I remember at one time there was a patreon poll asking which girl to do next. All the girls would be done eventually and the patreons had no influence on what would happen to each girl. That poll added value to being a patreon while it didn't cause issues for the vision of the story. In other words it seems that polls are doable, but they aren't trivial to make because all the answers will have to meet the requirements to fit into the original vision.

Having a hunch how people vote, I'm actually kind of surprised that the current end of Emily's route haven't been voted in, but maybe it has not been possible to vote for in the polls. That's another issue with the polls. People vote for something new, so half finished work seems to be left behind.

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It’s kind of ironic - I stopped being a patron partly because there were just too many polls. I originally started supporting the game because I was drawn to Altos’s vision, not to a community-driven one shaped by other patrons.
 

Lurker452

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Back in year 2000 a movie named Thomas and the magic railroad was released to cinemas. It wasn't a huge success. Turns out that the investors had the idea to show an early version of it to a focus group and they wrote down all the feedback. They then turned it into an itemized list, which they gave to the instructor and said this is what the viewers want so the movie has to have those. They had a fight, but money talks and they all made it into the movie. Maybe the individual requirements were not that bad on their own, but they clashed with each other and they didn't really work with the original idea. The movie has never really made it into the Thomas fandom (like I think movie only characters have never been used again etc) and it's mostly ignored today. Wouldn't surprise me if a lot of Thomas fans doesn't even know it exist.
For reference it has 4.2 stars out of 10 on IMDB. That's quite bad. I saw it ages ago and while I don't remember it as that bad, it wasn't great either. Trying to merge the American and the European lore into a single movie doesn't really work and I don't think that was a focus group decision, so the focus group issue alone isn't the only issue.

In other words not sticking to a clear vision is a story telling issue, not a visual novel specific issue.


So patreons are needed for the financial part to work, but also patreons destroys everything and shouldn't exist. The real answer is likely a middle path. I remember at one time there was a patreon poll asking which girl to do next. All the girls would be done eventually and the patreons had no influence on what would happen to each girl. That poll added value to being a patreon while it didn't cause issues for the vision of the story. In other words it seems that polls are doable, but they aren't trivial to make because all the answers will have to meet the requirements to fit into the original vision.

Having a hunch how people vote, I'm actually kind of surprised that the current end of Emily's route haven't been voted in, but maybe it has not been possible to vote for in the polls. That's another issue with the polls. People vote for something new, so half finished work seems to be left behind.

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I think you hit the nail on the head - a good Patreon poll should ask "what thing that I've already planned should I do next?" Not "what should I do next?"

A committee is a creature with eight or more legs and no brain.
 

bludragons93

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Anyone have a save to a point where maxine Quest finished, finished Rachel's quest line and it still wants me to finish her quest line.
 
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