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- There will be not "main" girl status with proper punishment system and deeper story for Harriet, Donna, Emily, April, Charlotte, Maxine and Nina probably until 2026 or more, some of them probably not before 2028 if they are included at all.
That's what I noticed too. No mentioning of the clothing optional beach. That's a shame because that storyline stands out for being different and has a tendency to have more humor in it than a lot of the other storylines.

Having said that, I don't know how much we should trust that roadmap. 2025 is a long time from now. For all we know there could be a new poll for patreons before then, which overrules the order of how the different girls are implemented. Besides judging based on past updates, each update will be more diverse than just one girl like mentioned here. Odds are that each update will have lots of added content, which isn't mentioned and it could include any of the girls.
 

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So we can expect without too much unjustified optimism (as probably is expecting "much" faster development in the future):

Currently/In few days or weeks: Amy + Maxine mole rat campaign.

Late 2023-early 2024: Faye

Mid-late 2024: The Twins.

Late 2024-early 2025: Liz.

Mid-late 2025: Alice.
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All other girls: Before TES VI, probably.

With that general perspective and theoric schedule, as many of the last weeks comments have been very pessimistic and despite some previous message I wrote was mostly negative, I'm still not totally pessimistic and I like the game a lot, I consider myself a fan and it's one of the adult games I enjoyed the most but among the ones that frustrated me the most also by what I consider wasted opportunities. I think I will never be totally satisfied by it considering what patreons and probably developers tastes and preferences seem to be, very different to mine, basically my "favourite" girls got the less satisfying scenes and stories imo, but that won't stop me following the game until the end and enjoying many other parts in it because despite the frustration with "my favourites" and few other character changes, The Headmaster is full of good content as no other game with similar focus (spanking, education/manipulation, "western" school setting). Anyway for all this I want to comment what exactly I'm optimistic and pessimistic in regard The Headmaster future development.

I'm mildy to totally optimistic for the following:

- I think is almost sure this game will continue its development for at less a couple years more and I personally think will be somehow finished (how rushed and how much potential content will be finally excluded is another story), even if development last several years more, I think we can be confident that the game will continue its development.

- Hopefully Cassandra, Debbie, Amy and Priti stories will be continued or finished during those updates or some more. I think is very plausible.

- The introduction of some eventual medical examination with headmaster participation seem possible too by the introduction of a second medical scene in current/imminent update + the image previews showing the nurse (probably not what I'm expecting though...).

- A bigger amount of sex in some of the girls stories is almost guaranteed, probably also an increase in quality but hopefully at least some of it could be also outside the punishment system, even if it is just in some other special.

- Increasing corruption and lewd non-directly sexual scenes, subtle innuendos, girl initiatives, headmaster consciously triggering spicy situations, nudity and half nudity, etc all seem very possible. Maybe some temporary "cheating" over the general rules? Breaking ingame rules and sharing secrets/plots with other characters are always good inclussions in adult games imo, but I'm not so sure if Althos likes that or if he is more strict with inworld rules.

- I think Priti story probably will develop a bit more/end in a satisfactory way to most players including myself. The only girl with curvaceous body (but good/insecure girl however) with a satisfactory enough story and good scenes in which headmaster seem personally very interested in the girl is Priti. She is fun and cute in a non very annoying way for those that despise "kawaii" overdose.

- I think Faye story/development will be probably good too. I liked her small first content and Althos seems pretty consistent with the character personality/interactions.

- I hope something more with Debbie besides her role as punisher buddie. Her change was the opposite of Cassandra, way too deep and complete, she was the meanest rebellious girl and now, after some Sally punishments became some sort of obedient fascistic cop, c'mon! Even if developer decide the full lesbian route for her (which wasn't my impression by reading her dialogues with the "watching porn" topic, the headmaster blowjob and reactions, the "confidence" scenes, etc), at least I hope some temporary return of the rebellious attitude or some autority abuse as prefect with at least one headmaster personal punishment as response. I think this last is more or less possible considering Debbie precedents.

- Some good content for Alice? This is the most mildly optimistic of all examples... Almost cope. After what they did with Cassandra entire story, The Twins first scenes and punishments and Alice and Harriet full nude introduction scenes I have low hopes for any development on confident/mean girls with curves combo. I'm not sure if the problem is just patreon restrictions as other user mentioned some days ago so the only problem is the "confident/rebellious" archetype which favours "forced" approaches to punishment which is taboo in patreon apparently (which could explain also the quick transformation of Debbie from chaotic mean gal to corrupt but obedient cop archetype... to diminish "forced" content by the main character to the minimum) but I still think fanbase maybe also in the case of Althos favour good girls and small bodies content over mean girls and curvaceous bodies. However looking to the Alice preview images with a more "personally invested" headmaster + the interactions in the special events and the fact that headmaster seemed somewhat more personally interested in Alice (or her tits at least) than in other big bodies girls from the rebel group and specially the comments by Althos about Alice having a lot of fans (I think it was precisely after that 2021 poll?), all make me still mildly optimist for her... I will need to play her part before believe good stories and satisfactory scenes for curvy + mean/confident girls is possible in this game.

- Also the presence of other staff members in preview images, certain quickness in sexual interactions with some of those older characters in previous updates + whatever is doing the nurse in The Twins 0.16 pre-preview image give me some hope for action with Kate, Izzy or other staff members in the future.

What I'm pessimistic about:

- There will be not "main" girl status with proper punishment system and deeper story for Harriet, Donna, Emily, April, Charlotte, Maxine and Nina probably until 2026 or more, some of them probably not before 2028 if they are included at all.

- Ada, Arabella, Jasmine and Olivia probably will never be included in a big story/ complete punishment arch which makes more dubious their inclussion in first place, with Ada exception maybe as it seems she could have some relevant role for "main story".

- I don't expect anything good enough in the rest of Cassandra story. She always was one of my favourite girls to spank/educate precisely by how despicable she was, superficial, selfish, cruel but intelligent and also by the frequent allusion by some characters about how the girl has a big/the biggest ass (even if it's not so noticeable visually ingame) as both circunstances are greatly favourable for a spanking focused game, she was just very spankable. The character model, body, face and expressions is in my top 5 for sure which is another plus. I wanted badly to spank the girl personally via headmaster since first appareances (something that he seems to want too according his early dialogue) and to deeply change the girl attitude in a way more personal and invested route. However as I mentioned in a previous comment what we had instead is headmaster offering Cass to the other girls for the first big nude punishment and later, even worse, starting her training to "manipulate others" so she can make her dream true: To be a professional gold digger... Punishment have been good so far, but the terrible blowjobs scenes are a bit off. Among my personal sexual disappointments in real life I can't count a "sad blowjob", I don't even knew those things could exist at all, every blowjob was a happy and nice event according my experience. I should thank Altos for so educative content...
I think it's possible that Altos will offer some plot twist at the end for Cassandra with a machiavelic headmaster manipulating the girl to accept a true education and really changing her attitude and life aspirations, but even in that plot twist scenario the rest of the experience will be not really enjoyable to me. She was just perfect for the classic punishment/education route not for headmaster helping her to become more powerful without changing the core of her problems in exchange for bad sex and apparently giving it up with her education. In videogames the path and the experience "during" is always more relevant than the result.

- The girl I'm personally the most frustrated with is Harriet and I hope even less good content from her than from Cass despite her story is supposedly much less advanced yet. Harriet was among the most atractive girls to me since start despite the very limited content at first, with some additional precocious "apparent" confidence and independence that makes the spanking/education route more interesting and a really nice body and face with an attractive gaze (despite the game general artstyle limits a lot characters personalization it was one of my favourite models, probably the absolute first), but the girl suffered the worst first nudity/introduction to punishment scenes in the game by far imo... Comparable to Cassandra gang-spank but much worse as Cass was a hateful person at that point which could justify headmaster disdain/contradiction with his own thoughts ("I want to punish you personally" thing) but in Harriet case there is nothing that justify headmaster attitude, just pure lack of interest in Harriet? After the few promising body searchs and the entire investigation... we have only that anticlimatic thing? If we add to the uninvested intro the fact developers won't probably touch much of Harriet story until 2026 or more... if they return to her at all, well there is not much to be hopeful here.

- The Twins. Again one of the my favourite girls to spank by personality and models (the biggest pranksters, confident, redheads, nice body) but once more I'm pessimistic about their evolution. I think Althos will probably do a better and more satisfactory (to me at least) job with Mary and Louise than with Cass or Harriet and they are also part of a much closer in time (probable) update. However I seriously doubt developers will add enough individuality as they insist in the non-solo mandatory double punishment (why always shared by both twins and mostly by two punishers?). I like them as twins but I would prefer a specific story, personality and punishment evolution (even if shorter) for each girl. Still I know I will enjoy their updates no matter how Altos decide to develop them, because their problem isn't as relevant as in Harriet and Cassandra cases.
Cool to see an estimate to the releases and girls that will be focused on. I am a little dissapointed about the estimated time between updates, but maybe i am just spoiled because I only started after I watched the MxRplays episode so my first times had a lot of content. Also, and you can call me crazy, but I am really interested in content with Ruth Thomas and also Samantha, Susan, Charlotte, Donna and Harriet. So it is a shame that they will not be focused on yet. But that said, this still seems to be one of the best adult games out there together with My bully is my lover/Sicea, Ripples and Eternum.
 
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Sorry to disagree, but other than the delayed Nina and Faye (which was originally expected last Fall), the roadmap is not at all inspiring. There are so many incomplete plots: Charlotte's secret, Samantha's dating, the bad girl from another school, the cooks daughter, the VIP visit with our hostess, the spy, the other magazine models, the beach, err...the main plot. The list goes on and on. None of that is scheduled....Really?

Also Gegecucu what is the real anticipated pace of these releases. I assume the poster above is way off? Or at least I hope so.

This is a great game, but the whole Maxine thing seems to have really derailed the train.
 

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Sorry to disagree, but other than the delayed Nina and Faye (which was originally expected last Fall), the roadmap is not at all inspiring. There are so many incomplete plots: Charlotte's secret, Samantha's dating, the bad girl from another school, the cooks daughter, the VIP visit with our hostess, the spy, the other magazine models, the beach, err...the main plot. The list goes on and on. None of that is scheduled....Really?

Also Gegecucu what is the real anticipated pace of these releases. I assume the poster above is way off? Or at least I hope so.

This is a great game, but the whole Maxine thing seems to have really derailed the train.
As someone who thinks Maxine could be a great storyline I am intrigued if not inspired. But the length of the list you wrote is true - and shows that no matter the order it will always be wrong for somebody of us. One of the downfalls of a dozen character game. Especially when watched during development.
 

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I defend this game a lot, in fact f95 is the one I like the most. Despite the bizarre situation, the characters feel human and their developments are well achieved. But the development is going too slow, I just complained a while ago because I read that the developer was sick for a while (although I don't know what, I hope it wasn't something serious) and that's why he caused the delay, but they keep happening months and we do not see an update.
I am worried that this will turn out like the previous one, that it would come out half incomplete in my opinion and that after months of waiting in a few days it would make all the content, since that would probably make me lose the hype for future updates.
I don't know what are the reasons why updates take so much longer than in other games, but please, this is a great game, I need content more often.
 

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Sorry to disagree, but other than the delayed Nina and Faye (which was originally expected last Fall), the roadmap is not at all inspiring. There are so many incomplete plots: Charlotte's secret, Samantha's dating, the bad girl from another school, the cooks daughter, the VIP visit with our hostess, the spy, the other magazine models, the beach, err...the main plot. The list goes on and on. None of that is scheduled....Really?

Also Gegecucu what is the real anticipated pace of these releases. I assume the poster above is way off? Or at least I hope so.

This is a great game, but the whole Maxine thing seems to have really derailed the train.
Altos has been preparing a development update on Patreon providing the official release dates for the coming update.
He will also summarize what happens since the last update and how he feels about it (and how it 'derailed', if I quote you).

The update following the upcoming one will be focused on Faye. A Patreon poll will also decide what other side story will move forward as well.
 

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I defend this game a lot, in fact f95 is the one I like the most. Despite the bizarre situation, the characters feel human and their developments are well achieved. But the development is going too slow, I just complained a while ago because I read that the developer was sick for a while (although I don't know what, I hope it wasn't something serious) and that's why he caused the delay, but they keep happening months and we do not see an update.
I am worried that this will turn out like the previous one, that it would come out half incomplete in my opinion and that after months of waiting in a few days it would make all the content, since that would probably make me lose the hype for future updates.
I don't know what are the reasons why updates take so much longer than in other games, but please, this is a great game, I need content more often.
I won't subscribe to the last sentence but I have a feeling that the games I pick are really "lucky" that way, one year plus updates happen a lot. Maybe it is the payoff for quality - probably too easy an excuse but some stories more or less seem to be written by some pre alpha demo of ChatGPT which obviously goes way faster. But yeah, one self fulfilling prophecy is that updates are never big enough - we expect more and more and are more starved so munch through it in one sitting once it comes. The latter happens to me in almost every game unfortunately.
 

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Cartageno Well it is interesting, but games often seem to start with really quick updates to gain traction and then slow down as either developer enthusiasm or need to promote recedes so there ends up being a bizarre inverse relationship of release to investment. There are games that now almost mock subscribers with the promises and delays. Always a good idea to check a developer's game history before backing a new project.
 
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Maybe it is the payoff for quality.
IMO, quality is not a problem itself but general inability to estimate own abilities. If one see that completion of project will take more than 5 years of active development (not counting support) then possibly one should consider to change scope of a project. Extreme example: God of War Ragnarok took about 4-5 years of development, and this is a game with faaaar more quality than any game here. It has been completed in 5 years because some people in management defined scope of the project and calculated how many hundreds of people and how many millions $ they need to assign to the project. So they did something that many developers here can't do but on much bigger scale.
Indie games developers can't do AAA games.
Small company can't make a game which requires medium company.
Single developer can't do a game which requires a small company.

And last sentence is something that many adult games developers don't remember.
 

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Alice is in the class that gets the class punishment, and she is not excluded from the spanking. Beyond that, her content is slated for 0.18. As per the Patreon poll from May 2021 when all of this was decided, we have to get through ...
Thanks for the interesting info. I was aware a decent amount of the order of things was kinda decided by patreon polls (which I think I would have always been in the minority in by the time I first checked out the game anyway) but didn't know there was any actual ranking and roadmap.

Haven't played since 0.11.1 public and the upcoming content still doesn't interest me enough personally to come back to yet. The Twins, Liz, and possibly Alice updates finally start to peak my interest a bit though. As much as I understand, it's still painful to routinely see personal favorites left out... so happy to see some finally slated to continue progression while it stings that my personal top pick for needed progression (Donna) is still nowhere to be seen. Maybe someday, hehe. I assume Zoe will be a higher priority than other existing characters?

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At this point I'd likely amend it to swap April + Charlotte rivalry over Maxine. So, like I said, some personal wins there I'll be looking forward to (whether I'll have time to play the game again or wait even longer is a separate matter) but also some disappointing absences. Like others, and likely myself, have mentioned it's the downside of playing a game with so many great characters and storylines where everyone has their own personal favorites. Upside is we get to speculate and have fun conversations between updates. :)
 

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the roadmap is not at all inspiring
I have to ask, do we really know if the posted roadmap is correct or if it is speculation? Also even if it was true at some point, do we know that it will also be true for the next multiple releases?

Once upon a time, there was a game under development, which was funded, staffed, had a full roadmap etc. A single player turn based dungeon crawler. Late in development a fight broke out internally because some people had come up with the idea of making it real time rather than turn based. It ended up with it being changed as a showcase test and they ended up deciding on real time. Keep in mind the game was already playable at this late state. As the release was approaching, there was a request for online multiplayer and they somehow managed to add that and by now the gameplay was totally different from what the roadmap had originally aimed at. This game was Diablo.

If a big game like that can change that much late in development because some people come up with new ideas or realizations, then I'm pretty sure the same can be said about a game like the headmaster. Years of development means years of reconsideration of various aspects. The roadmap is likely more like a guideline than some mandatory plan.

For the time being I'm not sure I trust any roadmap. Even roadmaps announced by Altos himself could be subject to change, particularly if the announcement is old and there have been time to rethink ideas. In fact I would prefer an altered roadmap if it turns out to provide a better result.
 

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I have to ask, do we really know if the posted roadmap is correct or if it is speculation? Also even if it was true at some point, do we know that it will also be true for the next multiple releases?
The order of the girls is correct but the dates are only speculation. No long-term dates like these have been given by Altos
 
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Once upon a time, there was a game under development, which was funded, staffed, had a full roadmap etc. A single player turn based dungeon crawler. Late in development a fight broke out internally because some people had come up with the idea of making it real time rather than turn based. It ended up with it being changed as a showcase test and they ended up deciding on real time. Keep in mind the game was already playable at this late state. As the release was approaching, there was a request for online multiplayer and they somehow managed to add that and by now the gameplay was totally different from what the roadmap had originally aimed at. This game was Diablo.
Not to get off on a complete tangent, but this reminded me I recently saw something on how the first Elder Scrolls game (Arena - which I had a physical copy of back in the day but never got that into) came to be and how much (and many times) it changed during development. It's interesting stuff to learn about and often explains a lot about why things turn out the way they do.

The order of the girls is correct but the dates are only speculation. No long-term dates like these have been given by Altos
Thanks for confirmation and clarification!
 
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As someone who thinks Maxine could be a great storyline I am intrigued if not inspired.
I actually agree. It would have been fun as a side plot to have her working with Ada and each new release persuading another one or two girls to do a pinup, like a PETA ad. That would have also added posters to the game. Then the game would have ticked over better by doing that and including Faye and Nina this release. I think Altos said he got side-tracked or bogged down by the Maxine project.

Just my armchair critic thought on it.
 
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As someone who thinks Maxine could be a great storyline I am intrigued if not inspired. But the length of the list you wrote is true - and shows that no matter the order it will always be wrong for somebody of us. One of the downfalls of a dozen character game. Especially when watched during development.
Yeah, as someone who is struggling to finish the last one, I am really looking forward to this next one. It looks like it will have a lot of scenes that will appeal to me.

But like you said, that is the down side of a big cast. Either you focus on one character at a time, and everyone else gets left out, or you try to get at least the main cast in a bit each update, and then progress feels slow that way. You can't make everyone happy, so you just have to pick something and stick to it. Most reasonable people understand this (even when their favorite is not chosen), and if not, they just need to wait for it to be done instead. XD
 

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Yeah, as someone who is struggling to finish the last one, I am really looking forward to this next one. It looks like it will have a lot of scenes that will appeal to me.

But like you said, that is the down side of a big cast. Either you focus on one character at a time, and everyone else gets left out, or you try to get at least the main cast in a bit each update, and then progress feels slow that way. You can't make everyone happy, so you just have to pick something and stick to it. Most reasonable people understand this (even when their favorite is not chosen), and if not, they just need to wait for it to be done instead. XD

True. And well stated.


My favorites happen to be Lucy and Liz.


There's some good content for Lucy.


But Liz is probably going to be more than a year or two years yet.


And Arabella intrigues me, too, but she's not even in the list!


I was really hoping that the new team would increase the content output, and I still think it will.


There is still much to develop here, for all the characters, and that's good because if people stay interested, it can bring Altos and his workers a nice chunk of money for years to come; so, I'm hoping for the best.


And what's the best? Lot of content for Lucy and Liz!


But we all have our favorites.
 
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