Yeah i know most like the girl/girl stuff and i like it as well just not behind MCs back with a girl MC is in a relationship with since i consider it as cheating/ntr, which is proberely the same reason both girls are hiding it insted of being open to MC about it, Sofia is even scared about MC knowing since she proberly know its worng and at some point they might use strap-ons as well they already used toys on one anoter so it went far beyound just some experimenting and more like a real relationship behind MCs back.
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When you are a dev on this site you aren't going to please everybody, so it is best to please yourself. That is what people who actually like your VN are going to be doing. As for everybody else, there is no panacea to cure butthurt. Their butt is gonna hurt, so just let those lesbian, NTR, and incest hemorrhoids throb and pulse until they move on to the next boring, heteronormative, vanilla harem game that drops.
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you monsterThere's some characters in the game that you will not have sex with
MC didn't want a sexual relationship with Angelina at this point. He was willing to help her with her sexual insecurities and give her some experience. The fact that she became confident enough to have sex with Sophia shouldn't be a negative for MC.
He was Jenny's Master and of course he got upset when she started fooling around with his daughter. (Upset not jealous). He also wanted Angelina to stay away from Jenny and not become her friend. This had nothing to do with jealousy but with the training of Jenny.
The tags should be used to give the players a better understanding of what kind of game it is. The best would be if the developers picked maximum 5 tags. If you're forced to put in every possible tag for a big game like this then you will end up with a lot of tags that doesn't really tell the players anything about what kind of game it is. It's really sad that people like you now make players believe that NTR is a major thing in this game because that is misleading.
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No-one said NTR was a major thing and anyone paying attention will know exactly what the situation is. Tags can be there literally for only one render showing the kink, we as players understand this. If there is one render with a guy kissing a guy it should get a gay tag but at no point would I presume the game is all about gay relationships. Just like most games with futa/beast/urine and the like I wish watching your li's turn bi was a choice or if not they could be avoided entirely which obviously cant happen with Angelina.
I can agree with the Jenny part, but not with Angelina and Sofia.
You give the player the option for MC to try to stop Angelina doing any experimenting by MC telling her hes not ok with her expermenting, and yet she does and hide it from MC knowing hes not ok with it and that it can provoke anger and jealousy, which on its own is weird since she wants to be with her stepdad but thats her charater she just cant be trusted at that point.
I did feel jealous after the two licked one another, and i feel MC was as well when he gets angry with Sofia telling her she had sex with hes virgin daughter, something he never wanted to happen in my playthrough.
I see it as NTR since MC is having a sexual relationship with Angelina call it training or helping but it has still changed from being just a stepdad to a sexual relationship in one way or another and once a relationship turns into that i personaly dont want to see her cheat or have sex with anyone else but the MC since i would feel jealous about it, and i also belive MC would feel that way or there is no point in him being angry at all.
I dont mind if a game as 20 tags and they should be forced to show them if those tags are true and the content is in the game no matter how small a part it is, i just check to see if the ones i hate is among them or not.
When i see a game with the NTR tag, i always go read the spoilers and information on page 1 since alot of creators explain it there, saying its avoidable or its soft ntr with lesbians and so on, then deside if i want to play it or not, but would never complain if i know its there, since it wold be my own faulth for playing.
Also i have never, not once said the hole game is about NTR, ive said the oppesit and ive only talked about one small part of the game, the lesbian sex scenes with Angelina nothing else.
The thing you dont take into account is when someone plays the game for hours on end, loving it enjoying it and then it gets destroyed in 2 seconds from an ntr scene with the girl you have done everything you can as MC for it not to happen, then it feels really really bad and makes you feel like shit, not the hours you just wasted but not being able to play on with a game you loved to play, thats why its importen to put in the right tags no matter how small a part it is in the game, if its there people needs to know about it before playing.
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This is why intimate relations is my favorite father/daughter story ever.
Even so.
here Angelina being his step daughter.
as pointed out numerous times how good father he is and never had a biological child.
You could feel in the air already that pregnancy coming. It feels nice because of the writing.
And for immersion sake, when talking about a taboo relationship like F/d
It feels natural having a front, fake relationship as you can't really marry your dad.
It makes lots of sense if a girl(daughter) (not this story per exemple )
Marries or date a chump just for public perception and keeps banging father until she wants.
the realism(fun) is allowing the relationship without pressure.
And if she for some reason get a baby from father.
Damn this is hot.
I did go a little off-topic tho.
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You may be jealous, but luckily enough we can read MC's mindset in this story and he is not jealous. He is very protective of Angelina but not at any point shows any signs that he is jealous of Sophia. He is upset that she didn't tell him, especially since MC started dating Sophia and ended up having sex with her. Perhaps even Sophia/Angelina felt a little guilty for not telling MC, but they never tried to make him jealous.
The problem with 20 tags is that it doesn't give the developers a chance to use the tags to indicate to the players what kind of game it is. Players end up testing out a bunch of games just to discover that it's not in there taste. With just 5 tags then the developer can more clearly show the players what kind of game it is. In this game my 5 tags would be: Romance, Male domination, Cheating, Corruption and Incest.
Yes, I know that by some people definitions there's not much "real" incest in the game, but it's still a topic that is teased and played with throughout the story. Therefor that tag is much more relevant than the NTR-tag that wouldn't be on my top 20 list of tags to describe this game.
There's a lot of things that can make people uncomfortable in a big erotic visual novel and if seeing MC's daughter having sex with another girl is so problematic for you then you should probably stay away from erotic visual novels. To expect that everyone should go out of their way to help you avoid things that make you uncomfortable is just stupid. Tags should be there to indicate what kind of game it is not to protect people with mental problems.
You're problems with NTR should be a private conversation between you and your psychiatrist and not something that belongs in a game-thread.
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Forget the "jealousy" part, it just confuses people. Look at the new definition that's part of F95's tag revamp (seen in my last post). If a LI is in a romantic/sexual relationship with the MC and then has sex with someone else (doesn't matter if it's a girl) without his approval, it's netorare. Plain and simple.
If a game has a single rape scene, it still gets the tag.
If a game has a single bestiality scene, it still gets the tag.
if a game has a single swinging scene, it still gets the tag.
The same thing applies to netorare. Your game has netorare and so it should have the tag. I understand that you're sick to death of discussions like this and i don't mean to pile on but i just want to see games tagged correctly. If you weren't so resistant to adding the netorare tag, these debates likely would have died down by now.
No, tags should be there to let people know what kind of content is in the game.
If a game has a single rape scene, it still gets the tag.
If a game has a single bestiality scene, it still gets the tag.
if a game has a single swinging scene, it still gets the tag.
The same thing applies to netorare. Your game has netorare and so it should have the tag. I understand that you're sick to death of discussions like this and i don't mean to pile on but i just want to see games tagged correctly. If you weren't so resistant to adding the netorare tag, these debates likely would have died down by now.
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That's the problem with this site. That is why people can't figure out what the game is about before they play it.
You're right I'm sick of stupid discussions like this. But you're wrong that this is because of me. These kind of stupid NTR discussions exist on almost every game on F95zone. While on Itch where they treat developers with respect and let them present their own games you never see stupid discussions like this and people find interesting games more easily.
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I don't see it as a problem. More tags make it easier to figure out what a game is about, not harder.
That's true but you're really not doing yourself any favours here. If you add the tag and people still complain then that's completely on them. You could just report their posts and let the moderators deal with it. If the game was properly tagged as NTR, i likely wouldn't even be here right now. I don't go into every game thread that has NTR content and complain about it. It only becomes an issue for me when it's untagged.
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I think you will find there is alot more people that hates NTR and have a problem with it then there are people who likes it.
Incest tag is fine since for some reason they dont need to be blood related for it to be incest on this site, i dont agree with it since it wouldent be incest in the eyes of the law if not blood related, but i accept it since thats how they made the tag rules on this site.
The 20 tags or whatever sould be there do show what you can run into in a game, even a single guy/guy kiss should then have gay tag, a single ntr scene should have ntr tag.
Tags are not where you find out what the game is about, you read the description on page 1 where the creator can explain the story and what game is about and you can use the spoilers for even more info as well.
If you only put in those 5 tags of yours, people would miss out on way to much, you got to remember people look on tags to see if a game has the kinks/fetish they like to play, so in this game you wouldent know that it has a virgin(s) which alot of people like, or that it has animations and so on, so you do need to use all the tags so people know what to expect in the game.
For Angelina i see it as ntr, its not just cheating when shes having a romance and a sexual relationship with someone else then MC multiple times, first kissing, then licking, then toys, its alot more then cheating or a one night stand.
And to me the hole reason MC gets angry at both Angelina and Sofia is because of jealousy, i dont see any reason why he would be angry if not for that reason, if hes not jealous then he should be happy about it that him helping has done good for getting her out of her shell.
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I'm with xxerikxx on this.
A larger game with a somewhat complex storyline will have a huge amount of tags. But people who are looking for something may download a game based on a certain tag, which applies only to a very short scene somewhere deep into the story.
For example, Midlife Crisis has the "gay" tag. But it is about a guy building a harem of women (and one optional trans character) many of whom are related. The tags which apply here are "harem" and "incest" and probably "cheating" because his wife is not aware of everything he does, and in some cases "romance" as well. But the game also has the "gay" tag because of one short scene between two side characters. But I were looking for a gay themed game, I'd be pretty disappointed to say the least because it's nowhere near the focus of the game.
No. People complain all the time over content that is tagged but not visible in the game. The tags creates expectations and when people download the content based on tags then they get upset and start ranting in the game-thread because the game isn't what they expected it to be. The NTR tag will make people who like NTR download the game and this game will be a big disappointment for them.
The tags should help players not confuse them and build unrealistic expectations.
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Tags don't only exist to tell people what the main focus of the game is, they also serve as a warning so people can avoid content they dislike. I'm sure you know how divisive NTR is and that a single NTR scene can easily spoil a player's experience.
I will counter your example with one of my own. Oh Daddy is a game mostly about the MC fucking his daughter and her friends but it still got the netorare tag because the daughter fooled around with another girl behind his back. The same thing happens here.
Not having the tag also creates expectations. If i see game without the netorare tag, i don't expect one (or more) of the LIs to be cheating on the MC or having sex with other people behind his back. You are going to disappoint people either way so it's better to be honest about what's in the game and tag it properly.
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