SecretDesire

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Dude you try to explain your self due to search for what NTR stands for like wiki or another sources but you missing something.

This game is a fucking VN as if Visual Novel not fucking Kinetic Novel there is a difference between KN and VN :
In VN Players choice need to change something like giving player a "+1 Gwen" point or just like player don't want to see some scene just chose "avoid this scene" or "i don't want this" kinda choice to make some difference.
In KN Players choice doesn't change anything nor Dev. don't give Players a choice or word for it.
Your game standing as VN but this is actually is a KN because you give Players a choice because you want us to think Players got some influence in the game going but it's just a bullshit.
I don't want to see Sister and Doc (you say you gonna change that but you got it wrong way that one too , you say you gonna change that writing like "MC and Doc not dating" but it's not the problem from the beginning with. The problem is that scene because everyone know what they are doing is fucking wrong and it's not changing anything like change the writing to say Doc and MC not dating to change everything.)
Neither you force Players to see every scene like Bring random man in Orgy he gonna fuck 2 women you say it's not problem because that 2 women not LI for MC but Players don't want to see random dude come and fuck 2 girl from our party.
Sisters and other girls scenes either you force Players to see Lesbian scenes like what if players don't want to see Future LI to fuck random man or women ? and MC acting like "i am not your mother i don't want to restrict your experience" so if it's about experience just make MC hire 2 man for Threesome experience for twins or just make him hire 6-7 man for Gangbang experience ? oh maybe some BBC ? it's kinda bullshit.
You think everything about "some writings wrong". But you need to understand Players want to change something with their choice. Like "avoid Lesbian scenes" or "not bring random dude for fuckfest" kinda choices.
 

Faptime

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Dude you try to explain your self due to search for what NTR stands for like wiki or another sources but you missing something.

This game is a fucking VN as if Visual Novel not fucking Kinetic Novel there is a difference between KN and VN :
In VN Players choice need to change something like giving player a "+1 Gwen" point or just like player don't want to see some scene just chose "avoid this scene" or "i don't want this" kinda choice to make some difference.
In KN Players choice doesn't change anything nor Dev. don't give Players a choice or word for it.
Your game standing as VN but this is actually is a KN because you give Players a choice because you want us to think Players got some influence in the game going but it's just a bullshit.
I don't want to see Sister and Doc (you say you gonna change that but you got it wrong way that one too , you say you gonna change that writing like "MC and Doc not dating" but it's not the problem from the beginning with. The problem is that scene because everyone know what they are doing is fucking wrong and it's not changing anything like change the writing to say Doc and MC not dating to change everything.)
Neither you force Players to see every scene like Bring random man in Orgy he gonna fuck 2 women you say it's not problem because that 2 women not LI for MC but Players don't want to see random dude come and fuck 2 girl from our party.
Sisters and other girls scenes either you force Players to see Lesbian scenes like what if players don't want to see Future LI to fuck random man or women ? and MC acting like "i am not your mother i don't want to restrict your experience" so if it's about experience just make MC hire 2 man for Threesome experience for twins or just make him hire 6-7 man for Gangbang experience ? oh maybe some BBC ? it's kinda bullshit.
You think everything about "some writings wrong". But you need to understand Players want to change something with their choice. Like "avoid Lesbian scenes" or "not bring random dude for fuckfest" kinda choices.
Dude, by now the flavour of this game should be apparent: the MC is going to fuck all the girls, and all the girls are going to fuck each other. The MC is obviously perfectly fine with this. Random dude came in and fuck two random chicks (not part of the main cast). The MC is obviously perfectly fine with this. Therefore, this is not NTR: the MC is not getting his girl stolen; the MC isn't even getting cucked, because he's only fuck buddies with Haley, and has no relationship with the other two girls who take random dick.

If seeing another dude fucking a girl icks you out, this game may not be for you.

If girl on girl action icks you out, this game may not be for you.

If you want a game where all the LIs are completely chaste until they slobber on MCs dick (and ONLY MCs dick, by God!), this game may not be for you.

If you want a game where literally everyone is a bit of a slut, give this game a go.
 
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Dude, by now the flavour of this game should be apparent: the MC is going to fuck all the girls, and all the girls are going to fuck each other. The MC is obviously perfectly fine with this. Random dude came in and fuck two random chicks (not part of the main cast). The MC is obviously perfectly fine with this. Therefore, this is not NTR: the MC is not getting his girl stolen; the MC isn't even getting cucked, because he's only fuck buddies with Haley, and has no relationship with the other two girls who take random dick.

If seeing another dude fucking a girl icks you out, this game may not be for you.

If girl on girl action icks you out, this game may not be for you.

If you want a game where all the LIs are completely chaste until they slobber on MCs dick (and ONLY MCs dick, by God!), this game may not be for you.

If you want a game where literally everyone is a bit of a slut, give this game a go.
this is a VN where choices change scenes out of all do respect to the dev its not a problem the guy joined in or fucked a girl its the fact that he add choices which don't change anything in the game, just like the script says for the orgy clean version or unclean but yet both paths lead to the same fkin scenes but as the dev has post the choices you make in game only change peoples talk with you or how the act towards you, which is why i say the dev needs to decide if this a VN or KN because right now its a Kn where choices mean jack shit.

If sloppy seconds are your Kink then by all means slide it in but not every person likes the same kinks.
Wish the dev learns from the comments instead of ignoring them, because he needs to know what story hes writing and post the tags for it so players know whats in the game.
 

eddie987

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I guess I'm late to the party, but I just found some time to play the latest update and I have have to say that unavoidable fetishes are the best way to fuck up a game, so if that was the intention here, great job dev! This started as a game with a lot of potential and it ended up (for me at least) just a waste of my time. Anyway, good luck. There's an audience for that stuff too, but it would be nice to know in advance that there would be forced fetishes of that type, so I wouldn't have wasted my time.
 
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SecretDesire

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Dude, by now the flavour of this game should be apparent: the MC is going to fuck all the girls, and all the girls are going to fuck each other. The MC is obviously perfectly fine with this. Random dude came in and fuck two random chicks (not part of the main cast). The MC is obviously perfectly fine with this. Therefore, this is not NTR: the MC is not getting his girl stolen; the MC isn't even getting cucked, because he's only fuck buddies with Haley, and has no relationship with the other two girls who take random dick.

If seeing another dude fucking a girl icks you out, this game may not be for you.

If girl on girl action icks you out, this game may not be for you.

If you want a game where all the LIs are completely chaste until they slobber on MCs dick (and ONLY MCs dick, by God!), this game may not be for you.

If you want a game where literally everyone is a bit of a slut, give this game a go.
I am guessing you don't read my writing. I don't mentioned about NTR nor anything about it.
Let's talk about Haley and Twins you mentioned i know we are not couple with any of them but it's doesn't mean they are fucking Main LI's in the game (talking about twins) and if i don't want to see my future LI with any other man or women it's totally fucking normal and if i play fucking VN "MY" choices need to change something for me just like "if they gonna fuck everyone they saw i just don't want to do anything with them anymore" that's easy.
And after last update i now know this game is not for me because i don't want to stay and watch if i like to watch mindless cartoon porn , i can watch hentai everytime.
If i play as a MC and Dev. give me a choice for change things and draw my own route , i want to draw my own road.
But in this setup whatever you draw road going for same end and it's fucking bothering me stop brainlessly defend and try to understand a little.
 

MichaelFenix

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Wow this is the most action this thread has seen since I started this, as they say in Hollywood even bad publicity is good publicity, lol.

Anyway, I have gone back and edited some things in the story to make things clearer in the script of the previous versions. These changes will be in v0.4 since v0.3 was wrapped up two months ago and I'm not doing the v0.3.1 stuff too much to keep track of file wise and to store on my dwindling HDD.

Now I see that no matter how many times I repeat that "BEING MY FIRST TIME, THIS STORY MAY NOT BE A TOTAL CHOOSE YOUR FATE STORY IF EVER!" in this thread, people keep missing it so I'll type it in all caps.

So far every choice leads to something BE IT IN THE GAME ALREADY OR UPCOMING. BE IT LIFE ALTERING OR NOT! some may find this difficult to believe but not every choice someone makes affects the axis of the planet's rotation.

As for the tags, All tags that were put on this thread were courtesy of the mod that made the thread. When this was uploaded and I was asked for what genre (Guessing that meant tags in hindsight) I replied with I dunno adventure? and never gave it a second thought until now, nor did I ever think to ask the thread creator about tags. So I messaged to add NTR even though I didn't agree with it and it was added. Now today people are saying no NTR and the tag is gone.

So I ain't wasting any more time on this tagging stuff until I DEEM THAT THE TAG SHOULD BE THERE. So to clarify there will be other kinks seen in this story in some form at some point, Stuff that is hinting at a kink
WILL NOT BE TAGGED! For example, I am not adding a BDSM tag because someone got handcuffed to the bedpost in one scene, I will not add a foot fetish tag because someone gets their toes sucked. If there is something in the game fetish wise that isn't fitting in the already posted tags because what is there is a pretty good lot of what the story will mainly have aside from perhaps a threesomes tag (Is that an actual tag?)
then the players will be able to see it
not only coming but avoid it as everyone could with the scene where MC is having sex with Trish aka Evan's sloppy seconds. This was decided way back when I first released v0.2 on my patreon in February at the request of one of my first patreons who said "no anal." to which I replied "When and if the time comes for that it will be a choice to see or not." and I decided then and there to do that with anything out of the norm of the story so far. Hence why you could choose to either have sloppy seconds in an orgy or get with one of the two other girls he didn't bust a nut into instead.

Now then that is all I have on that, I will now get back to work on wrapping up v0.4 for my patreon page and proceed to fight with the android build again I'm sure. Thank you and goodnight.
 
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Wow this is the most action this thread has seen since I started this, as they say in Hollywood even bad publicity is good publicity, lol.

Anyway, I have gone back and edited some things in the story to make things clearer in the script of the previous versions. These changes will be in v0.4 since v0.3 was wrapped up two months ago and I'm not doing the v0.3.1 stuff too much to keep track of file wise and to store on my dwindling HDD.

Now I see that no matter how many times I repeat that "BEING MY FIRST TIME, THIS STORY MAY NOT BE A TOTAL CHOOSE YOUR FATE STORY IF EVER!" in this thread, people keep missing it so I'll type it in all caps.

So far every choice leads to something BE IT IN THE GAME ALREADY OR UPCOMING. BE IT LIFE ALTERING OR NOT! some may find this difficult to believe but not every choice someone makes affects the axis of the planet's rotation.

As for the tags, All tags that were put on this thread were courtesy of the mod that made the thread. When this was uploaded and I was asked for what genre (Guessing that meant tags in hindsight) I replied with I dunno adventure? and never gave it a second thought until now, nor did I ever think to ask the thread creator about tags. So I messaged to add NTR even though I didn't agree with it and it was added. Now today people are saying no NTR and the tag is gone.

So I ain't wasting any more time on this tagging stuff until I DEEM THAT THE TAG SHOULD BE THERE. So to clarify there will be other kinks seen in this story in some form at some point, Stuff that is hinting at a kink
WILL NOT BE TAGGED! For example, I am not adding a BDSM tag because someone got handcuffed to the bedpost in one scene, I will not add a foot fetish tag because someone gets their toes sucked. If there is something in the game fetish wise that isn't fitting in the already posted tags because what is there is a pretty good lot of what the story will mainly have aside from perhaps a threesomes tag (Is that an actual tag?)
then the players will be able to see it
not only coming but avoid it as everyone could with the scene where MC is having sex with Trish aka Evan's sloppy seconds. This was decided way back when I first released v0.2 on my patreon in February at the request of one of my first patreons who said "no anal." to which I replied "When and if the time comes for that it will be a choice to see or not." and I decided then and there to do that with anything out of the norm of the story so far. Hence why you could choose to either have sloppy seconds in an orgy or get with one of the two other girls he didn't bust a nut into instead.

Now then that is all I have on that, I will now get back to work on wrapping up v0.4 for my patreon page and proceed to fight with the android build again I'm sure. Thank you and goodnight.
Just wow you can make the game the way you want but if you are going to continue to avoid the main fact of is this a VN or KN the way you are handling these comments is just wow right now you have 3 choices in game that lead to the same conversations or same scenes so this is a KN not VN this is a game not real life so continue to say in the future it will affect but so far all i see when playing is choices mean nothing doesn't change anything so why have them in there its because you want people to think there choices mean something but they don't, now you can come back and say in future releases they will mean something but they don't do anything for the 3 releases you have done.

So in the end of all this BS this dev has no idea what hes doing i wish him luck but this will be abandoned by the dev in a year maybe less if he continues with the excuses.
 

eddie987

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Wow this is the most action this thread has seen since I started this, as they say in Hollywood even bad publicity is good publicity, lol.

Anyway, I have gone back and edited some things in the story to make things clearer in the script of the previous versions. These changes will be in v0.4 since v0.3 was wrapped up two months ago and I'm not doing the v0.3.1 stuff too much to keep track of file wise and to store on my dwindling HDD.

Now I see that no matter how many times I repeat that "BEING MY FIRST TIME, THIS STORY MAY NOT BE A TOTAL CHOOSE YOUR FATE STORY IF EVER!" in this thread, people keep missing it so I'll type it in all caps.

So far every choice leads to something BE IT IN THE GAME ALREADY OR UPCOMING. BE IT LIFE ALTERING OR NOT! some may find this difficult to believe but not every choice someone makes affects the axis of the planet's rotation.

As for the tags, All tags that were put on this thread were courtesy of the mod that made the thread. When this was uploaded and I was asked for what genre (Guessing that meant tags in hindsight) I replied with I dunno adventure? and never gave it a second thought until now, nor did I ever think to ask the thread creator about tags. So I messaged to add NTR even though I didn't agree with it and it was added. Now today people are saying no NTR and the tag is gone.

So I ain't wasting any more time on this tagging stuff until I DEEM THAT THE TAG SHOULD BE THERE. So to clarify there will be other kinks seen in this story in some form at some point, Stuff that is hinting at a kink
WILL NOT BE TAGGED! For example, I am not adding a BDSM tag because someone got handcuffed to the bedpost in one scene, I will not add a foot fetish tag because someone gets their toes sucked. If there is something in the game fetish wise that isn't fitting in the already posted tags because what is there is a pretty good lot of what the story will mainly have aside from perhaps a threesomes tag (Is that an actual tag?)
then the players will be able to see it
not only coming but avoid it as everyone could with the scene where MC is having sex with Trish aka Evan's sloppy seconds. This was decided way back when I first released v0.2 on my patreon in February at the request of one of my first patreons who said "no anal." to which I replied "When and if the time comes for that it will be a choice to see or not." and I decided then and there to do that with anything out of the norm of the story so far. Hence why you could choose to either have sloppy seconds in an orgy or get with one of the two other girls he didn't bust a nut into instead.

Now then that is all I have on that, I will now get back to work on wrapping up v0.4 for my patreon page and proceed to fight with the android build again I'm sure. Thank you and goodnight.
There will be an option to avoid anal, but when it comes to letting a complete stranger into an orgy that involves the MC's twin sisters and his "not" girlfriend, there's not need for a similar option... Ok...

Edit: Also that's not how tags work. If something is in the game, it doesn't matter if it's just in one scene and/or optional. As long as you can see it, it has to be in the tags. If it's optional you can clarify it under genre.
 
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KyoriKusagami

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I don't know why all this fuss about the last update, there are so many games with lesbian and orgy scenes, and I didn't see so much complaint like this before.

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Honestly, I liked the game. There's an inconsistency at the renders(sometimes is good and sometimes I had the WTF feeling at the facial expressions), the options have no impact at the moment, but it's early development, the story is decent with a coherent narrative, and the sex scenes are very hot(I loved the last one).

Guys, there is no reason to keep complaining about that, the Dev already gave his answer about the subject. If any of the element from the game makes you angry, the only solution is to delete this game and try another one.
 
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I don't know why all this fuss about the last update, there are so many games with lesbian and orgy scenes, and I didn't see so much complaint like this before.

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Honestly, I liked the game. There's an inconsistency at the renders(sometimes is good and sometimes I had the WTF feeling at the facial expressions), the options have no impact at the moment, but it's early development, the story is decent with a coherent narrative, and the sex scenes are very hot(I loved the last one).

Guys, there is no reason to keep complaining about that, the Dev already gave his answer about the subject. If any of the element from the game makes you angry, the only solution is to delete this game and try another one.
He goes back and changes the conversation between the doc and sister but can't add choices to that scene or to the orgy but will add a choice for anal and yet tagis still missing for cheating as Gwen and Britney are in a incest relationship yet no where does it state open relationship since you can sleep with either Gwen or Britney in the orgy as you get to choose.which again the choice that shouldn't have been put in.

Every VN i have played that have choices in them have been for the version the choice is on not future releases because every person playing will have to restart from the start of the game to make the right choices but in this choices impact future events that are not even game yet .
 
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KeiNineX

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So I've caught up with the game and with the comments and yeah... This game is not for me anymore. I actually wasn't as upset over the guy joining in as some people were, I mean I'd still rather not see it and rather it didn't happen but whatever, it was meh. The thing that really upset me was that SisxDoc scene and let me tell you right now, changing the dialogue is not gonna fix it. So yeah... Not for me anymore.
 
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ok i just played it again and this is my thoughts on it 1. sister doc scene sister could care less about the mc as long as shes gets to cum dev made her a slut in that scene who will fuck anything and anyone giving the chance dialog won't change that scene.
2. the orgy again making the twins look like slut that could careless about the mc i get the mc is a slut himself but main chars it seems are the twins so who knows how many time the twins had sex with evan durning that orgy only dev knows but i can say this that orgy and doc scene killed the game for a lot of people.

i will also add this the dev will add ntr sometime in the future not sure when but as i have played this game its pointing to it being added just my thoughts on this game so far.
 

SecretDesire

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ok i just played it again and this is my thoughts on it 1. sister doc scene sister could care less about the mc as long as shes gets to cum dev made her a slut in that scene who will fuck anything and anyone giving the chance dialog won't change that scene.
2. the orgy again making the twins look like slut that could careless about the mc i get the mc is a slut himself but main chars it seems are the twins so who knows how many time the twins had sex with evan durning that orgy only dev knows but i can say this that orgy and doc scene killed the game for a lot of people.

i will also add this the dev will add ntr sometime in the future not sure when but as i have played this game its pointing to it being added just my thoughts on this game so far.
I don't know about Evan and Twins i guess it's never happened but Orgy scene is a stupid one because Dev. show us like that Orgy happened because of drink spiked but if that drink make everyone horny and ready to fuck why we don't see any Twins and MC scene ? whatever i just read Dev. writing and he realy doesn't give a shit about comments nor player's choice so there is no need for more talk because it's kinda feels like talking to a wall.
Whatever i don't want to comment on same subject anymore because it's realy doesn't mean anything .
GL with your game and i hope you can manage to finish this one because if you keep going with same attitude this game maybe abandoned or onhold in future. GL and I wish best for you
 

toobs

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I enjoyed the game. Would rather there be a choice whether to let virgin receptionist join in, but it was fairly harmless. If I can suspend belief enough to pretend I'm billionaire SmoothFace McLongDick I can sure as hell forget that scene that wasn't to my tastes in order to enjoy the rest of it.

Y'all need to chill.
 

BellaSouth

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Well, I guess this update wasn't a crowd-pleaser huh?
Don't be misled by the comments of some who only appear when the word NTR shows up to start their well-known little war.
You're right. MichaelFenix These are some of the people who started to give their "useful criticism" (no feedback in the thread before)
SecretDesire
Darknesssilent
eddie987
KeiNineX
King Slayer100
ShadowThrone
Glooskabe
Nospamwss
DarkSithLord47
SkillXI
only after this post:
Think it needs the tag Lesbian since i was looking at it for half the game game.
not to mention rented out the whole hotel and end up with some 18 year old running in and getting shafted.
Started out fun. never gonna look at it ever again...
Seems that some topics attract them like shit to flies.
So try to separate criticism from hate and you'll see that the reception of this update, while not very good, wasn't so bad either.

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KeiNineX

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You're right. MichaelFenix These are some of the people who started to give their "useful criticism" (no feedback in the thread before)
SecretDesire
Darknesssilent
eddie987
KeiNineX
King Slayer100
ShadowThrone
Glooskabe
Nospamwss
DarkSithLord47
SkillXI
only after this post:

Seems that the NTR topic attracts them like shit to flies.
So try to separate criticism from hate and you'll see that the reception of this update, while not very good, wasn't so bad either.
What's your point? In order for my feedback to be valid I need to have 10 posts on this thread? Oh and maybe you need to read my post again because I didn't mention NTR at all.

Edit: I just noticed that you didn't post any of your "useful" criticism before, only after the NTR talk appeared. Maybe you need to add yourself to that list.
 
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eddie987

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MichaelFenix

I'll try to give you some constructive criticism before I put the game in ignore, because I really liked it, up until a certain scene completely ruined it for me. First of all, when you put out any kind of content, people will judge it. It's up to you to decide if you're gonna listen to them or ignore them, but you should expect it. Some will like it, some will hate it, some will be indifferent and so on.

Now, a dev who wants to make this a full time job, should listen to what the potential "customers" are saying and see if he can use any of the criticism to make his game better, or more popular if that's his end goal. You might find something useful even in a comment that's 90% bullshit/trolling. If you're not willing to change anything, good for you, but you can't say that you want to improve and then ignore all criticism using excuses like "I'm new to this". Don't get me wrong, it is a valid excuse and new devs are bound to make mistakes. The thing is, you can always find an excuse for pretty much every situation, but you shouldn't hide behind it. You will make mistakes, just like everyone else in their everyday life. That's a given. What makes a difference is what you do after you make a mistake. Dismiss it because "insert excuse here", own it and move on or own it and try to fix it? (if it's something you can fix of course)

Honestly I think that the first thing you should do is decide what audience you are targeting, because after that last scene I'm not sure if you even know what is this game's target group... After you decide that, listen to what those people have to say and try to understand why they are saying it. I'm not suggesting to change your game everytime someone doesn't like something, I'm talking about little things you can add or remove, that won't change your story and can attract more people. I mean, if you open a restaurant targeted to vegetarians, you won't serve them stake... Same here, you can't have something your target audience won't "eat" and expect them to devour it.

Lastly one of the most important things is having the proper tags! Even if they don't exist, add them under genre. You can also add what's optional/avoidable there or even some planned tags/fetishes. If you had the sharing thing there for instance, it would have saved you a lot of complains. You would still get some, but a lot less. Same with the kinetic novel tag, since it seems that no matter what you choose, doesn't really make any difference in the gameplay.

Good luck and don't think that people complaining are just assholes with nothing better to do. I can't speak for the rest, but for me it's really annoying when you run into a certain type of content you'd normally never play, without any warnings, and if you have that happened more than a couple of times already, you can't always be polite about it.
 
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