VN Ren'Py The King of Summer [v0.6.5-early] [No Try Studios]

[CaoCao1]

Okay this is the problem with character consistency.

Starting with the MC. I simply refuse to believe the MC is capable being like this. Through out the game he simply not written this ways. He is not evil by nature, and frankly he is pathetic. Even when he caught the FMC and the Fat man, he simply couldn't do it. He refuse to kill them. He refuse to go out and start busting nuts. He is written as a losing characters. The most he did was expose the FMC to the world but that is after they left the island which is quite a loser move to be honest, or move on which is actually quite respected. I am okay with him being written this way. Because it establish a core. Him all of the sudden no build up 4D chess, evil characters arch, drugging his uncle, selling out his former lover to his nemesis, and somehow leaving with a smoking hot chick is simply not in line with his character. Terrible writing. Its a pity sell out to let the MC to win.

Pink hair girl. I simply refuse to believe that she wants love. Bullshit. During all of her sex scenes, she talks about big PP energy, good sex, and do deprave act all the time. The MC is suppose to like this? If she really wants loves from the MC then why the heck is there a path where she leaves the MC because he couldn't satisfy her? There are paths where she directly tricks the MC, uses the MC, lies to the MC so the FMC can be stolen by the villain. Sorry but nah, she is written to be the like side kick of the main bad guy who broken her already, it is hard to believe she can 180. I don't buy it oh she wants to dominate the MC and MC is ok with it, because she literally ditches him. That is just absurd. There is no build up. Just accept it type of narrative. Terrible writing.

Bad guy. Nope. I don't care. I read all his dialogues and he simply wants everything. He is your typical bad guy. Being simply being insulted by FMC and willing to give everything up to allow MC to win and leave with his girl just is dumb writing. It would of makes sense and be more in line with his character, if both the Fat man and MC loses, and he win everything. That I can respect. Again whatever this update was, it was lazy and terrible. It feel like a pity excuse to let MC wins something, and the bad guy lose something to win something. And the fat man loses everything. I wouldn't be surprised if in the future, the villain eventually somehow wins Yoshi's wife who punched him. Oh hey maybe he get it on with his own sister. Yeah terrible writing.

Fat man. Yeah he was drugged. Great. That is rich coming from the character telling the other two to not take drugs. Now he allows himself to get drugged? Poetry. Ain't this mofo suppose to be the most cautions and smartest of the trio while being heroic? Now all of the sudden he allows himself to be taken advantage of. Him and FMC could of simply say "how bout NO" Let me guess in the next update, heart of card, power of friendship, talk no justu he over comes the drug? Just great. He should of over came the drug the moment he saw that pink hair girl sweet ass. Shouldn't even be a discussion. I mean dat ass and dem tits tho. Just look at her. No amount drug ain't holding back dah fat man ya heard! This has a more comedic take but that is Fat man character.

Look all I am saying is, story is one thing. But characters 180 ing, especially with no build up and exposition is worse.

She dosent leave because he dosent satisfy her but he starts neglecting her as he did with mary, he accuses shizuka of seeing other people and he wont let her do as she wants to him.
Kendo didnt think satoshi would drug him as you dont belive he could...... it seems you would be a satoshi victim in all this
Yes arato wants everything but in the end he was unable to and frustrated he wouldnt walk out of his room and satoshi gives him a chance for the girl xD

 

[CaoCao1]

I Love This Idea. I hope to see that in Future. Or As a new Game, Like a dinner with natsuki. a Spin.Off.

Ye right Shizuka having a way to big orgy and all girls swarm her, she alleredy said she would be interested in only girl sex and forget the boys so it stays in charachter
The boys where to busy fighting themself that Shizuka made all girls dependent on her dick and when satoshi kendo and arato finnaly come to their senses and enter shizukas room we can see her stroking marys hair like a kitten and tell them they where to late xD

 

[ahoboman]

She dosent leave because he dosent satisfy her but he starts neglecting her as he did with mary, he accuses shizuka of seeing other people and he wont let her do as she wants to him.
Kendo didnt think satoshi would drug him as you dont belive he could...... it seems you would be a satoshi victim in all this
Yes arato wants everything but in the end he was unable to and frustrated he wouldnt walk out of his room and satoshi gives him a chance for the girl xD

You're not even piecing all the path together. You're going off one path. Pink hair literally fuck MC until he KO and was not satisfied. AKA allow her to dominate him or whatever you wanna call it. Literally said "you fail Satoshi." Its a different route, but how it is that route she not kool with it and now in this update she is kool with. Context man. You can't be oh she cheated on me but I won't cheat back, to well she cheated on me so now I cheat too with the same character within the same time frame, with the same context. Different path or not it is the same character with the same motives, and same cause and effect.

I don't care what MC becomes or is. But its need context and to be written better. Saying that this game has great story and character is BS when the story is trash in the later stage, characters 180 at a moment notice, and the plot demands it. If MC found out in the early stage and spend the whole saga falling into madness and corruption, like Fatman and bad guy with chapters planning his 4D chess then good! That is how you do it. Literally not even a chapter and what seem like only one or two days later, and MC went for I am the bad guy now. Complete utter trash.

Good you admit it. Then the problem is now why would the bad guy willing to settle with giving MC a path to having an ouce of victory. In every other path he doesn't give the MC a chance at victory why now. He literally should want to win both the fatman and MC to stay in character.

Its not just about the MC. It literally the other 4 character I mentioned. Yoshi is the only character so far who still is consistence. Maybe the wife too and the girl with the glasses. But the five I mentioned are not character bound. They do what ever the DEV wants them to. Whatever to move the plot forward. Its bad writing. Sure the sex scene are hot and what not.

Maybe you just don't care for story or characters consistency as much and that's kool. But i am on the boat of the critic who cares for that. Agree to disagree.

 

[CaoCao1]

You're not even piecing all the path together. You're going off one path. Pink hair literally fuck MC until he KO and was not satisfied. AKA allow her to dominate him or whatever you wanna call it. Literally said "you fail Satoshi." Its a different route, but how it is that route she not kool with it and now in this update she is kool with. Context man. You can't be oh she cheated on me but I won't cheat back, to well she cheated on me so now I cheat too with the same character within the same time frame, with the same context. Different path or not it is the same character with the same motives, and same cause and effect.

I don't care what MC becomes or is. But its need context and to be written better. Saying that this game has great story and character is BS when the story is trash in the later stage, characters 180 at a moment notice, and the plot demands it. If MC found out in the early stage and spend the whole saga falling into madness and corruption, like Fatman and bad guy with chapters planning his 4D chess then good! That is how you do it. Literally not even a chapter and what seem like only one or two days later, and MC went for I am the bad guy now. Complete utter trash.

Good you admit it. Then the problem is now why would the bad guy willing to settle with giving MC a path to having an ouce of victory. In every other path he doesn't give the MC a chance at victory why now. He literally should want to win both the fatman and MC to stay in character.

Its not just about the MC. It literally the other 4 character I mentioned. Yoshi is the only character so far who still is consistence. Maybe the wife too and the girl with the glasses. But the five I mentioned are not character bound. They do what ever the DEV wants them to. Whatever to move the plot forward. Its bad writing. Sure the sex scene are hot and what not.

Maybe you just don't care for story or characters consistency as much and that's kool. But i am on the boat of the critic who cares for that. Agree to disagree.

Ofc i am talking about the path where satoshi does this as thats what we where disussing, satoshi has different mood dependent on things happening in his life, does finding out your love of your life is fucking your uncle does something to your mind? well if it didnt change anything i would see that as weird.
Some endings he gave up , some he wants revenge and in this ending he wants another girl on top of that. Its not sudden as you also have said he almost wanted to beat down kendo earlier as revenge but didnt. he is gradually turning more and more pissed xD

 

[No Try Studios]

I have heard you, people. Loud and clear.

From this moment on, I will stop controlling my characters lives. They will no longer do whatever I want them to do.

Sadly, this means the game might need to be cancelled, as Mary has decided to stop studying and dedicate herself to dog grooming, Kendo got weirdly into Magic: The Gathering and Satoshi was hired as an accountant overseas. Their schedules now do not allow for them to come back to 'The King of Summer'. We'll try to re-cast their roles soon.

 

[Federok88]

to me the conditions that made this route different are crystal clear:

1-Satoshi this time goes the extra mile for Shizuka and manages to capture her attention, then Arato pushes him into a corner so he offers him his ex-gf and uncle for whom he has no affection at that point. The are methodes are morally questionable? sure but i would hardly call his motivations or even action evil, spitefull and oportunistic at worst.

And for those that think he doesnt have the spine to do it, never has and never will, let me remind you that in one end he exposes Mary and Kendo, on another he get away from all the swaping thing and ends things with Mary and on the only acces to his own route, he punches Arato to get him away from Mary.

2- Both in this route and on Aratos route, Shizuka shows that she feels neglected by Aratos obessesion with Mary. So when Satoshi offers her a different sexual experience that she has been craving and a emotional connection, she goes for it.

3- Arato has been established both in this route and on his, to develope an obsession with Mary. Couple with his more subtantiated hatred for Kendo, when Satoshi offers Mary in exchange of Shizuka it becomes a no brainer for him. Why? Because he is a sore loser and he lost to Mary and Kendo, and regardless of what he decides he already lost Shizuka to Satosh, so might aswell try to get a win where it matters (for him)

4-Kendo and Mary are both under the influence of drugs and being constantly attacked on their insecurities day by day until they finally falter, the text goes through great lenghts to illustrate what aspects of their mentality are being targeted by Shizuka and Satoshi. Kendo has literal ghosts of his past coming to haunt him.

 

[ahoboman]

Ofc i am talking about the path where satoshi does this as thats what we where disussing, satoshi has different mood dependent on things happening in his life, does finding out your love of your life is fucking your uncle does something to your mind? well if it didnt change anything i would see that as weird.
Some endings he gave up , some he wants revenge and in this ending he wants another girl on top of that. Its not sudden as you also have said he almost wanted to beat down kendo earlier as revenge but didnt. he is gradually turning more and more pissed xD

Ok first you gotta under grounded writing. Separate that for realistic writing. Anyone seeing they uncle banging whose mom or GF is probably gonna be traumatic but that is not what being discussed here. We are discussing CHARACTERS. Not real life experiences. No one is asking for realistic writing. At least the ones criticizing this series in terms of poor writing and characters. It needs some kind of grounded writing or the characters just becomes not worth investing in.

No you are not. You are cherry picking parts and fitting it in where only works best as if characters becomes a entirely separate character. You are not combining all paths as if is is the same character is still the same character within the same timeframe is my point. It be like saying Goku from DBZ an establish character just abandon his good quality and becomes evil if Freiza killed his best friends Kirlin in a different way instead blowing him but stomping his in. Or maybe his son Gohan is killed instead of Kirlin. Even in such a scenario, Goku establish characters wouldn't makes sense to just go full evil. He has core characters written to him.

Sure this game is about porn and sex, but even erotic story can use some good writing. The new update literally follows the other endings path word for word, frame by frame up a point. In the ending MC loses, he and pink hair had sex, did exactly the same thing in this update, but she ditches him. In the update they did the same thing, and now MC, but oh talk no justu because literally one dialogue that has nothing to do with pink hair girl, now is convinced. Wow. Lazy writing. Maybe DEV will change and update it later I don't know. But there is simply no impact. It just happens because the demands it like when Goku got lasered.

If this was a create a character or we are meant to inject ourselves as the MC, it would be more excusable. But that would mean MC become a pointless blank character and were just fucking shit up. Maybe that is the prospective your are coming from? Clearly MC is a character was meant to invest in, even if its just his plight or suffering. It is still a character. All these choices having character 180 ing is why I believe there are criticizing from people genuinely. They have no character. Or i guess in this case, they have too much characters, it comes off fake.

 

[ahoboman]

to me the conditions that made this route different are crystal clear:

1-Satoshi this time goes the extra mile for Shizuka and manages to capture her attention, then Arato pushes him into a corner so he offers him his ex-gf and uncle for whom he has no affection at that point. The are methodes are morally questionable? sure but i would hardly call his motivations or even action evil, spitefull and oportunistic at worst.

- The problem is that there is no build up or diversion in the path. It is literally frame by frame, word by word up to the same end, and the only thing that separates this paths is simply one dialogue choice that has nothing to do with the pink hair girl. And the choice is literally scene away from the update? I'm sorry but that is just lazy writing. And Drugging his Uncle? Selling off his GF into slavery? And leaving with Pink hair girl who also plots his GF demise, is the GF of his nemesis who make them took drug, swinging, and literally also just bangs his uncle as well. I'm sorry MC turnt evil.


And for those that think he doesnt have the spine to do it, never has and never will, let me remind you that in one end he exposes Mary and Kendo, on another he get away from all the swaping thing and ends things with Mary and on the only acces to his own route, he punches Arato to get him away from Mary.

- Sorry but that is weak ass fuck. He punch bad guy yeah while he not looking. If Mr. MC is so brave don't just beat him down right there? Even this ending was terrible for me because it makes no sense. Would of been better had he ask the Uncle for help or he goes straight to the authority or something. The one him running away makes zero sense because he was to weak to face it and say "how bout no" to the swinging in the first place. He made his GF swing! It was his fault that she fell. To all of sudden now he got the guts to say no to it all is just lazy writing. His character is suppose to weak in my opinion. Or if he is to become strong then at least let him build that up along the way. Not just, all of the sudden after all that swinging and being pathetic, oh I man up now. Like come on.


2- Both in this route and on Aratos route, Shizuka shows that she feels neglected by Aratos obessesion with Mary. So when Satoshi offers her a different sexual experience that she has been craving and a emotional connection, she goes for it.

- Then update it first or something. Rewrite the build up or something. Because in bad guys route, Pink girl play MC like fiddle. Sorry but no matter how much neglected you wanna say she is, she still help the bad guy in corrupting the FMC in ALL the paths, especially bad guy route. She stay loyal all to the end and used the MC, treat him like a beta cuck. In this update which follows the Fatman route, play exactly same as the Fatman route. The only different is all of the sudden, this happens.


3- Arato has been established both in this route and on his, to develope an obsession with Mary. Couple with his more subtantiated hatred for Kendo, when Satoshi offers Mary in exchange of Shizuka it becomes a no brainer for him. Why? Because he is a sore loser and he lost to Mary and Kendo, and regardless of what he decides he already lost Shizuka to Satosh, so might aswell try to get a win where it matters (for him)

- Bullshit! Again there was zero build to this. Literally scene by scene, dialogue for dialogue the same ending, just talk no justu this happens. THERE NEEDS TO BE A BUILD UP.


4-Kendo and Mary are both under the influence of drugs and being constantly attacked on their insecurities day by day until they finally falter, the text goes through great lenghts to illustrate what aspects of their mentality are being targeted by Shizuka and Satoshi. Kendo has literal ghosts of his past coming to haunt him.

- Sorry man this is just dumb ass writing. Why the hell would Fatman and FMC let themselves get in that situated in the first place, not once but twice! Alert bells should been ringing! Why the hell would they even wanna associated with the bad man after he drugged MC of all people! AND FMC! Then fatman came in punching bad guy and seeing pink hair girl there too! Do you guys understands now with back stories and character consistency? All of the sudeen Fatman and FMC is stoopid!? Oh lets go back to the villains. Surely nothing will happen. What!? Maybe if that didn't before then it makes sense. But no this all already happens and MC still make a deal with the bad guy? Fatman and FMC still associate the bad guy? Really! What character path are we talking about here?

 

[No Try Studios]

Ok first you gotta under grounded writing. Separate that for realistic writing. Anyone seeing they uncle banging whose mom or GF is probably gonna be traumatic but that is not what being discussed here. We are discussing CHARACTERS. Not real life experiences. No one is asking for realistic writing. At least the ones criticizing this series in terms of poor writing and characters. It needs some kind of grounded writing or the characters just becomes not worth investing in.

No you are not. You are cherry picking parts and fitting it in where only works best as if characters becomes a entirely separate character. You are not combining all paths as if is is the same character is still the same character within the same timeframe is my point. It be like saying Goku from DBZ an establish character just abandon his good quality and becomes evil if Freiza killed his best friends Kirlin in a different way instead blowing him but stomping his in. Or maybe his son Gohan is killed instead of Kirlin. Even in such a scenario, Goku establish characters wouldn't makes sense to just go full evil. He has core characters written to him.

Sure this game is about porn and sex, but even erotic story can use some good writing. The new update literally follows the other endings path word for word, frame by frame up a point. In the ending MC loses, he and pink hair had sex, did exactly the same thing in this update, but she ditches him. In the update they did the same thing, and now MC, but oh talk no justu because literally one dialogue that has nothing to do with pink hair girl, now is convinced. Wow. Lazy writing. Maybe DEV will change and update it later I don't know. But there is simply no impact. It just happens because the demands it like when Goku got lasered.

If this was a create a character or we are meant to inject ourselves as the MC, it would be more excusable. But that would mean MC become a pointless blank character and were just fucking shit up. Maybe that is the prospective your are coming from? Clearly MC is a character was meant to invest in, even if its just his plight or suffering. It is still a character. All these choices having character 180 ing is why I believe there are criticizing from people genuinely. They have no character. Or i guess in this case, they have too much characters, it comes off fake.

What I'm getting from this is that you really want to write some Dragon Ball Z fanfiction.

 

[CaoCao1]

Ok first you gotta under grounded writing. Separate that for realistic writing. Anyone seeing they uncle banging whose mom or GF is probably gonna be traumatic but that is not what being discussed here. We are discussing CHARACTERS. Not real life experiences. No one is asking for realistic writing. At least the ones criticizing this series in terms of poor writing and characters. It needs some kind of grounded writing or the characters just becomes not worth investing in.

No you are not. You are cherry picking parts and fitting it in where only works best as if characters becomes a entirely separate character. You are not combining all paths as if is is the same character is still the same character within the same timeframe is my point. It be like saying Goku from DBZ an establish character just abandon his good quality and becomes evil if Freiza killed his best friends Kirlin in a different way instead blowing him but stomping his in. Or maybe his son Gohan is killed instead of Kirlin. Even in such a scenario, Goku establish characters wouldn't makes sense to just go full evil. He has core characters written to him.

Sure this game is about porn and sex, but even erotic story can use some good writing. The new update literally follows the other endings path word for word, frame by frame up a point. In the ending MC loses, he and pink hair had sex, did exactly the same thing in this update, but she ditches him. In the update they did the same thing, and now MC, but oh talk no justu because literally one dialogue that has nothing to do with pink hair girl, now is convinced. Wow. Lazy writing. Maybe DEV will change and update it later I don't know. But there is simply no impact. It just happens because the demands it like when Goku got lasered.

If this was a create a character or we are meant to inject ourselves as the MC, it would be more excusable. But that would mean MC become a pointless blank character and were just fucking shit up. Maybe that is the prospective your are coming from? Clearly MC is a character was meant to invest in, even if its just his plight or suffering. It is still a character. All these choices having character 180 ing is why I believe there are criticizing from people genuinely. They have no character. Or i guess in this case, they have too much characters, it comes off fake.

Pink hair girl left him due to him not learning , if your choice is that you dont accept her for who she is after 6 mounth relationship she will start cheating due to MC not holding his promise and not doing activitys with her anymore.
The choices you do in this game matters , its not the choice that suddenly change things but the consequence of the choice in long term. She stayed with him 6 mounths on both endings but first ending he kept his promised loved her for who she was and didnt complain about her talking with others, and he forgave mary and moved on, in the ending where he dosent wanna change himself, he neglects her, do little activity, blame her for talking with people, never forgives mary and dosent move on, then She starts cheating cause why would she stay in a toxic relationship when she had that with Arato?

Also please dont use Goku as an example of good charachter devolopment i love Goku but he litteraly wanna fight hard, train eat food and fight again. He never changes , never changing personality can be fun but its not good writing xD

 

[ahoboman]

What I'm getting from this is that you really want to write some Dragon Ball Z fanfiction.

Oh no. I love DBZ. And your works. Nothing against you! But DBZ also has some terrible stories as well. Nothing is perfect. Writing my own scripts and tearing my hairs out. My game is light year out. because Im too stubborn with getting the theme and story right. Good luck to to always. Grab some popcorns lol.

 

[No Try Studios]

Oh no. I love DBZ. And your works. Nothing against you! But DBZ also has some terrible stories as well. Nothing is perfect. Writing my own scripts and tearing my hairs out. My game is light year out. because Im too stubborn with getting the theme and story right. Good luck to to always. Grab some popcorns lol.

I think we've been through this already, but I'll say it again, just in case.

You can't call me a terrible, lazy writer, and then do a 180° and say you love my works.

It's not very consistent with your character.

 

[ahoboman]

The choices you do in this game matters , its not the choice that suddenly change things but the consequence of the choice in long term.

Also please dont use Goku as an example of good charachter devolopment i love Goku but he litteraly wanna fight hard, train eat food and fight again. He never changes , never changing personality can be fun but its not good writing xD

Then explains this.
Why the hell would Fatman and FMC even wanna associated with the bad man after he drugged MC of all people! AND FMC! Then fatman came in punching bad guy and seeing pink hair girl there too! Do you guys understands now with back stories and character consistency? All of the sudeen Fatman and FMC is stoopid!? Oh lets go back to the villains. Surely nothing will happen. What!? Maybe if that didn't before then it makes sense. But no this all already happens and MC still make a deal with the bad guy? Fatman and FMC still associate the bad guy? Really! What character path are we talking about here? This is literally the path lead ups to this update.

You don't want goku, then how about Obito from Naruto. His fall to evil makes sense because lost everything and he slowly plans hiss arch. Orochimaru all of the sudden wanna suck Sasuke off is dumb. Never understood why he turn good.

 

[CaoCao1]

Then explains this.
Why the hell would Fatman and FMC even wanna associated with the bad man after he drugged MC of all people! AND FMC! Then fatman came in punching bad guy and seeing pink hair girl there too! Do you guys understands now with back stories and character consistency? All of the sudeen Fatman and FMC is stoopid!? Oh lets go back to the villains. Surely nothing will happen. What!? Maybe if that didn't before then it makes sense. But no this all already happens and MC still make a deal with the bad guy? Fatman and FMC still associate the bad guy? Really! What character path are we talking about here? This is literally the path lead ups to this update.

You don't want goku, then how about Obito from Naruto. His fall to evil makes sense because lost everything and he slowly plans hiss arch. Orochimaru all of the sudden wanna suck Sasuke off is dumb. Never understood why he turn good.

But they dont go back to him Satoshi the MC drugs Fatman without fatman knowing, then bad man drags him away and locks him into a locked room.
FMC wants to know Fatmans location but Satoshi the MC wont tell her since that was his plan.
FMC knows Badman has connection with Fatman and gets desperate enough to ask Badman for help.
Badman saying he wants to help her on condition and she tried to reject but gets more and more desperate.
In the end FMC feels crushed that Fatman supposedly left FMC so she goes to Badman and gets dicked in her desperate attempt to forget everything xD

Never watched naruto so cant say anything there , i do like detective conan though xD

 

[ahoboman]

I think we've been through this already, but I'll say it again, just in case.

You can't call me a terrible, lazy writer, and then do a 180° and say you love my works.

It's not very consistent with your character.

Yah i love your works. As an artist to another, I draw by the way. I appreciate your art. And I did like your story. The first three chapters. Not exactly a fan of the Arato chapters and later chapter of the fat man either but gave it chance, and it grew a bit on me. Not feeling the rewrites and especially not feeling the update. This where the 180 feeling begins.

So I ain't say you are all bad in writing because it started out good. It means your good at writing too. It just criticizing the bads in my opining because it ain't good to me. Doesn't mean I don't support you as an artist. Or it isn't good to others. I could be wrong.

 

[ahoboman]

But they dont go back to him Satoshi the MC drugs Fatman without fatman knowing, then bad man drags him away and locks him into a locked room.
FMC wants to know Fatmans location but Satoshi the MC wont tell her since that was his plan.
FMC knows Badman has connection with Fatman and gets desperate enough to ask Badman for help.
Badman saying he wants to help her on condition and she tried to reject but gets more and more desperate.
In the end FMC feels crushed that Fatman supposedly left FMC so she goes to Badman and gets dicked in her desperate attempt to forget everything xD

Never watched naruto so cant say anything there , i do like detective conan though xD

I just can't. Going to use their real names now. Satoshi himself is DRUGGED by Arato and Shizuka. He was DRUGGED!? And they try to fuck his girl and life up. Then he SAVED by his Kendo. Satoshi is just gonna forget all of this? Mary is just going to forget all these dangerous crazy people just because she wants to go Kendo? I get she is stupid but NO ONE this stupid and doesn't ask for help? Like seriously. Erina is aware of the drugged issues. Where is she in all of this? Kendo drugged but like seriously what are going to do to him anything. Kendo be smart enough already after all he witness to not trust Shizuka and refuse any deal. Just wait for the drug to wear out. Like seriously, anyways, at this point, it pointless. I don't like the update, the game is still hot as fuck. So there! at least the sex was good! Good sex game.

 

[Flojerazul20]

 

[Federok88]

A lot of the things you say that dont happen actually happen, like for example Shizuka cheats on Arato with the "Stranger" on Aratos route because of her feelings of neglect.

Shizuka potentially feeling some sort of different kind of connection with Satoshi was foreshadowed on the second swinging whent they finally have sex, and so on and so forth.

The examples and build ups are there, you just choose to ignore them because you dont like the results and want to feel justified in not liking it. Much like you keep ignoring that by that point Marys is Satoshis Ex, she is fully out on public as Kendos girl so she is not longer his to "sell". But you want to make things sound worse than they are so you choose to ignore that.

 

[chaosmarine125]

to me the conditions that made this route different are crystal clear:

1-Satoshi this time goes the extra mile for Shizuka and manages to capture her attention, then Arato pushes him into a corner so he offers him his ex-gf and uncle for whom he has no affection at that point. The are methodes are morally questionable? sure but i would hardly call his motivations or even action evil, spitefull and oportunistic at worst.

And for those that think he doesnt have the spine to do it, never has and never will, let me remind you that in one end he exposes Mary and Kendo, on another he get away from all the swaping thing and ends things with Mary and on the only acces to his own route, he punches Arato to get him away from Mary.

2- Both in this route and on Aratos route, Shizuka shows that she feels neglected by Aratos obessesion with Mary. So when Satoshi offers her a different sexual experience that she has been craving and a emotional connection, she goes for it.

3- Arato has been established both in this route and on his, to develope an obsession with Mary. Couple with his more subtantiated hatred for Kendo, when Satoshi offers Mary in exchange of Shizuka it becomes a no brainer for him. Why? Because he is a sore loser and he lost to Mary and Kendo, and regardless of what he decides he already lost Shizuka to Satosh, so might aswell try to get a win where it matters (for him)

4-Kendo and Mary are both under the influence of drugs and being constantly attacked on their insecurities day by day until they finally falter, the text goes through great lenghts to illustrate what aspects of their mentality are being targeted by Shizuka and Satoshi. Kendo has literal ghosts of his past coming to haunt him.

If you don't mind me asking what Route this and when does it pop up.

 

[cwilod]

Yeah. I'm going to have to agree with you on this one. I wanted to like the update but its just... I don't know how to put it... All the characters are so inconsistence now. The MC goes from being a good guy loser to now ima be a bad guy trade his girl with the bad guys girl? Fat man went from having alpha big balls to being now i got blue balls. Bad guy went I own everything to now Ima give my girl up to the loser MC, plus now he magically gain a super genetically enhanced pp. FMC goes from being a loving GF to the BF, to falling for the Fat guy with a decent reason, to falling for the bad guy with no real reason. Pink hair is the worse, she is supposedly to be the sluttiest only wanting big D to now loving the MC who has a small pp. Like IDK man. I get that these are what if scenario but these characters have zero core traits or consistency. They are what the plot demands them to be. If there is anything worse then bad story writing, its character 180.

SEX SCENE HOT THO

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but Satoshi was never a "good guy loser". He's a self-righteous bigoted prick who thinks that it's immoral to want sex or have sexual desire. Like, what the hell are you talking about? It's like you haven't paid attention to any of the game... The guy literally called his own girlfriend a slut for going out with him, wanting to have a fun time, and wanting to have sex with him, and he constantly brings this up.

As for the girlfriend, any sane person would have broken up with Satoshi in a heartbeat the second they had their first fight, where Satoshi reveals he's a narcissistic, self-righteous, a**hole who demands the girlfriend do everything for him and care about his feelings, but does nothing to care about the feeling of his girlfriend or do anything for her! This doesn't mean he isn't justified in being angry about the cheating, btw. But like.... he's also not automatically a "good guy" for being cheated on, either.

I cannot say anything about the latest update, because I haven't progressed that far in the game. But claiming Satoshi is a "good guy" just makes your entire "review" suspect. Satoshi is clearly the bad guy, because it is used in the story as a partial justification for the cheating. Doesn't mean characters can't change, btw, as lots of stories do what's called a "plot twist" where the bad guy actually turns out to be the good guy in the end, either through character development or through revealing missing pieces to backstories or through some other justification that helps the audience understand the character's actions and thoughts. That would be good writing. Suggesting that 180s are always bad writing just means you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Yes, plot twists and 180s need to make sense in the full context of the story, but you don't have to have them make sense right away. You can delay the reveal of the making sense parts of the story throughout the story, lmao. This technique is used literally all the time in mystery writing.

You're trying to fit this story into a black-and-white picture, when it very clearly has blurred moral lines. Satoshi is terrible, he's also being cheated on. His girlfriend is treated like crap by him, and yet she's cheating. The uncle gave advice on how to fix the relationship, and yet is seducing his own nephew's girlfriend. Natsuki is giving in to her boyfriend's fantasies, but doing so by cheating on him without him knowing. None of the characters are completely morally upstanding.

I'm also not convinced that Satoshi is the main character. At the very least this story is told in 3rd person with three different main characters.