RPGM The Last Sovereign [v0.73.4] [Sierra Lee]

[Dqslime]

The only areas in the game when a Walkthrough is actually needed for fear of missing stuff is dureing the exploration.
Both the Investment and the Storymode are rather straight forward, sure in the storymode there is an endless ammount of triggers and variables that can be activated to alter later content or make things easier, but you can't really get everything unless you cheat with the ProN

You can‘t get every investment unless you cheat in ProN but it’s completely possible to pass every check in this game with the ProN given to you. You just have to choose the correct investments and complete quests that provide points to variables. Although, I understand some people would rather not look into that stuff.

 

[Dqslime]

This game lacking a NTR tag is so bizarre. i'm sure i'm going to get how its not NTR because of some irrelevant technicality even though harem members are fucking outside the harem.

In hindsight i should have stopped playing when the second girl was fucked while still wet from the hero's seed. It's just so bizarre that you would add a harem member like that.

Aka did not get NTRed since she wasn’t even a part of Simon’s harem before she got raped, same with Varia. Most developers don’t count inter-harem relationships as NTR since no one is being stolen. For everything else, at worst it’s netorase (aka swinging). This forum does have a huge problem with defining netorare vs netori vs netorase though. Personally, I don’t see the problem with one of the harem members being a victim of rape but maybe that’s just me.

 

[Snugglepuff]

This forum does have a huge problem with defining netorare vs netori vs netorase though.

The problem really comes down to interpretation of both NTR as a whole, and the site's rule for the NTR tag (with has its own issues with interpretation of the rule, even from staff), which is only for netorare - the one most people hate to varying degrees.

Basically, the people seeing netorare in this game are the same people who want "harem" to be in its original context, and also have a tendency for spazzing out over a woman who's having sexual relations with someone other than the MC, regardless of the circumstances of those relations. Mostly because they have problems separating themselves from the MC - "I did this but she sucked some other guy's dick"... Basically little kids with a false sense of entitlement.

 

[Evangelion-01]

The problem really comes down to interpretation of both NTR as a whole, and the site's rule for the NTR tag (with has its own issues with interpretation of the rule, even from staff), which is only for netorare - the one most people hate to varying degrees.

Basically, the people seeing netorare in this game are the same people who want "harem" to be in its original context, and also have a tendency for spazzing out over a woman who's having sexual relations with someone other than the MC, regardless of the circumstances of those relations. Mostly because they have problems separating themselves from the MC - "I did this but she sucked some other guy's dick"... Basically little kids with a false sense of entitlement.

This a very narrow world view and a false accusation in it's own.
I agree that the term NTR both on the Net and esspecially on this Forum is normally missinterpreted though

 

[Snugglepuff]

This a very narrow world view and a false accusation in it's own.

It's not a narrow world view, because it is solely in application to these forums, and it's formed through personal experience on these forums.

I agree that the term NTR both on the Net and esspecially on this Forum is normally missinterpreted though

The biggest misinterpretation (repeatedly exemplified on these forums as I already mentioned) is that NTR means only netorare... because that's the only one that people who cry about it actually care about.

 

[Evangelion-01]

It's not a narrow world view, because it is solely in application to these forums, and it's formed through personal experience on these forums.

Personally NTR, as in real netorare, is a no go for me and while I do enjoy a Harem building game I wouldn't go as far as demand to add these fetishes as multually exclusive to any game.
Sure there is a Hardcoore faction on both NO NTR and ONLY NTR factions... but the majority of Players and users are a moderate faction in between

The biggest misinterpretation (repeatedly exemplified on these forums as I already mentioned) is that NTR means only netorare... because that's the only one that people who cry about it actually care about.

Well it depends on the game... I mean in a Brothel simulation that would be Netorase as you know what'll happen to the girls if you asign them on duty... and surprisingly enough (or not) people still complain about NTR in those games.

 

[Bob Jared]

Since it seems that NTR is currently being discussed in this thread, I might as well give my take on it.

If the character is little more than an extension of the player/reader then Netori vs Netorare is extremely important. (really only possible with games and maybe choose-your-own-adventure style interactive stories) In just about any other context the distinction is completely meaningless as far as I'm concerned.

As for Netorase... I have encountered multiple games that don't have it as a primary focus but bring it in later as unavoidable or via some bullshit "choice" between accepting it or else be locked out of things other than just the Netorase itself. Keep in mind that if the character is an extension of the player then said character agreeing to it without the player's uncoerced input is effectively identical to Netorare.

With all that said, The Last Sovereign is one of those rare porn games in which the main protagonist is a full-blown developed character completely distinct from the player so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Dqslime]

The Last Sovereign is one of the rare porn games where I might actually believe someone if they said they were playing it for the story. Honestly, people's views on what NTR is or isn't shouldn't really impact their experience with this game unless they absolutely hate NTR with every visceral part of their being. That's just my opinion though. I can say with 100% certainty that I have skipped at least 80% of the porn scenes in this game in favor of getting back to the story tbh.

 

[Maizemallard]

Does anyone feel like the games antagonists peaked with the incubus emperor? I just feel like the other antagonists just aren't as compelling and fun as he was. I feel what set him apart is that he directly played a part with multiple characters development and directly contributed to the story. Simon, wendis, Yarra, hilastara, Riala, Robin and many more are directly or indirectly effected by Him which made his fall all the more satisfying. His actions were the catalyst for almost everything in the story such as Simons drive, countries politics, religion, the world building, character motives and development. The incubus emperor challenges Simon in plot relevance. he also had a stage presence to him he was funny, infuriating, and threatening. He even has this deeper layer was he always like this or did he get corrupted through time? It also helped that the incubus emperor and Simon clashed one on one in a cinematic fashion.


The other Antagonists don't have as much impact to characters development, the overall world, or character motives compared to the incubus emperor. The other antagonists don't feel as personal they feel like blockades. The fucklord, lustlord, nyst and Lord of blood has no personal stake or history with Simon. The only reason Simon fights them is that they are in his way. Who The tower walker was and their motive were IMO introduced to late in the story to care and who they are really didn't matter to Simon as he barely spoke with them before the reveal and they had no significance to Simon on any prominent personal level. Xerces has the best potential he was introduced earlier, caught peoples attention, is competent, isn't malicious, has a clear motive and was even set up as a parallel to Simon. I really hope the creator leans into the idea that if Simon took another path he could have turned out like Xerces also have Xerces Fully challenge Simons beliefs and goals. It doesn't help that Simon doesn't have a clear objective anymore before it was killing the incubus king now its making the world better which is vague and less personal.

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[KinguOfBel]

is the main story incomplete?

 

[Goi]

More like not finished yet we are in the final open world section before the endgame stuff

also doesn't have a completed tag so what do you think

 

[grohotor]

Aka did not get NTRed since she wasn’t even a part of Simon’s harem before she got raped, same with Varia. Most developers don’t count inter-harem relationships as NTR since no one is being stolen. For everything else, at worst it’s netorase (aka swinging). This forum does have a huge problem with defining netorare vs netori vs netorase though. Personally, I don’t see the problem with one of the harem members being a victim of rape but maybe that’s just me.

except that the succubus polishes some dudes balls for information and later on in chapter 2 when you play as the succubus you have to join gangbangs to progress the story. If your harem members getting gang banged is not ntr the term really has lost all fucking meaning and should just be removed since its not being applied !
This game really made me angry because it would have been pretty easy to put a choice in, change a few lines and it would be fine.

add the fucking tag !

 

[Evangelion-01]

except that the succubus polishes some dudes balls for information and later on in chapter 2 when you play as the succubus you have to join gangbangs to progress the story. If your harem members getting gang banged is not ntr the term really has lost all fucking meaning and should just be removed since its not being applied !
This game really made me angry because it would have been pretty easy to put a choice in, change a few lines and it would be fine.

add the fucking tag !

Well there is the swinging and group sex tag.
NTR means the love interest find sex and love with a different male more appealing than MC, this isn't happening here.

 

[Dqslime]

except that the succubus polishes some dudes balls for information

Well there is the swinging and group sex tag.
NTR means the love interest find sex and love with a different male more appealing than MC, this isn't happening here.

Qum even refuses to do a lot of the swinging stuff if you don't have enough RP. It's actually a lot more like she participates in swinging and orgies for the sole purpose of furthering Simon's agenda as opposed to any other "benefit" she might get from it. (Yarra would fuck a conveniently shaped rock so I can't really argue for her but I can say Simon's still her top guy.) Plus, they're succubi, what did you expect? Focus on Carina and Janine. Although I understand some people have issues with sharing. If you want a single male character may I suggest Faerin or NLT Media?

 

[Snugglepuff]

Plus, they're succubi, what did you expect?

Clearly he expected all vaginas to be loyal to hi- er, Simon... especially when it would make no sense.

 

[grohotor]

Qum even refuses to do a lot of the swinging stuff if you don't have enough RP. It's actually a lot more like she participates in swinging and orgies for the sole purpose of furthering Simon's agenda as opposed to any other "benefit" she might get from it. (Yarra would fuck a conveniently shaped rock so I can't really argue for her but I can say Simon's still her top guy.) Plus, they're succubi, what did you expect? Focus on Carina and Janine. Although I understand some people have issues with sharing. If you want a single male character may I suggest Faerin or NLT Media?

that first part is actually insane...
don't like games that lack other male characters for contrived reasons.

Clearly he expected all vaginas to be loyal to hi- er, Simon... especially when it would make no sense.

You do understand that we are supposed to identify with the main character right ? Is it that hard to understand that some (most) people don't like getting into the headspace of a cuck ?.The reasons for them fucking about are contrived. the dev has complete control of the world and the characters. Everything in there is a deliberate choice not the random chance of the real world.

This has very little to do with me criticizing your niche fetish and more to do with the fact that people that like it for some perverse reason don't want their games tagged as NTR. I do not care if you like it. I'm not trying to get you to dislike it. This is about having ways to avoid games that i'm not going to like without reading pages and pages of back and forth and getting spoilers. Is it that fucking hard to have something on the front page that says that LI fuck other dudes and is unavoidable ? Isn't that preferable to all this stupid arguing.

For people searching the thread

Yes the game contains unavoidable NTR sharing cuck swinging. The people that say its avoidable are lying.

 

[Fulminato]

[...] You do understand that we are supposed to identify with the main character right ? [...]

No. self insert main character it's only one type of game trope.
the largest majority of NSFW game are " self insert main character", but you shouldn't mistake that large majority with the totality. or even the possibility to make something different

simon is a well established character, the player aren't mean to be him, but his immaginary friend giving advice from time to time.

 

[grohotor]

No. self insert main character it's only one type of game trope.
the largest majority of NSFW game are " self insert main character", but you shouldn't mistake that large majority with the totality. or even the possibility to make something different

simon is a well established character, the player aren't mean to be him, but his immaginary friend giving advice from time to time.

identifying with the main character is not the same as self insert... its not what i meant

 

[Goi]

Yeah Yara in case sees absolute nothing wrong with the ideal of sleeping around because Succubus, hell even the thought that someone would possibly be upset with that does not occur to her for a bit but most of all she is Simon's first slut, hell it is the exact same reason she encourages Simon to sleep with pretty much anyone even those not in the relationship, hell no difference in using her magic to lust someone up to further their goals or using her body

Basically Swinging is the normal relationship of succumbs where they will be together but will fuck other men or women as they see fit because sleeping with people is not really far off a handshake concept, this is quite well

It the same reason why Naill thinks Robin and Simon starting relationship is messed up because Incest is a needed and healthy part of a growing kids relationship with their parents

Also the reason she goes full Rage power vs the incubus idiot supreme where he does intend to NTR and Yara wants none of that and yeah NTR is specify taken away by sleeping with, you can in theory have another women do it but well most people go girl on girl is hot and is not therefore the whole I love this girl now more than you because they are better than you in sex, so fucking other dudes or women by itself in not NTR, NTR is them going I love this person more than you because sex with them is so good

like the closest thing to actual NTR is the Empress and her initial relationship with Simon and Yara when she straight up takes them for her own

also it has Swinging aka Swingers are couples or singles who choose to have an open relationship, allowing their partners to have sex with other people, so just from that tag you can expect that an other man or women fucks the love interest and/or main character

TL: DR sleeping with other men or women is just swinging or cheating depending if it is an open relationship or not, NTR is stealing a lover through sex

Cheating is a tag you can more easily argue since Yara has not really though to talk about it due to culture differences since that could apply but then again Simon never brings it up and he was there the first time Yara used her magic and maybe her body to make someone balls blue to get information


Identifying with a character means feeling an affinity toward the character that is so strong that we become absorbed in the text and come to an empathic understanding for the feelings the character experiences, and for his or her motives and goals, so em your supposed to understand what Simon is thinking or feeling

 

[Fulminato]

identifying with the main character is not the same as self insert... its not what i meant

not what you mean, but it's what you had said. i think yous should reevaluate your words, or your thinking.

the mechanism of jealousy require a sense of property, and the fact you substitute the main character withyourslef.