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Glad you enjoyed. Interesting though about the piercings... What do you guys thing?
Yes or no on the piercings? I just added a poll.
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Yes or no on the piercings? I just added a poll.
I really like the premise and theme you are going for but your game is missing something to really make it good.
I think a big reason why people think your game is boring is because the choices only change the result in a minor way. While it is more work, you will create a more interesting game with larger diverging paths that only converge after a few more minor choices. You might want to search for “extra credits illusion of choice” on youtube as extra credits is, I think, a great source of tips for an indie developer.
A good way to do it now would be to track the choices of chapter 2 and have two or maybe three paths that converge and diverge depending on how many resist choices are picked. The more resist choices the more focus on breaking Emma through punishment and more degradation. With more submissive choices leading to perverted “rewards”. Basically a carrot and stick approach the more cooperation the more carrot, but the carrot should be also be degrading in some way.
One idea would be for Susan to start adding an aphrodisiac to Emma’s food. Submissive Emma gets a cute stuffed animal with a big dildo attached to meet her “needs” and/or maybe a rocking horse with one or two to sit on. Basically perversified little girls toys she can be secretly filmed or getting caught “playing” with. Receiving comments on how she seems to enjoy her new life.
Naughty Emma, by contrast, is stopped before orgasm each time she is caught masturbating and degraded verbally for being such a pervert to get off on the treatment she receives. Followed be a punishment that is painful e.g. spanking intermixed with “checking her for damage” (fondling her) to have her orgasm during punishment. With Susan acting exasperate and complaining to others in front of Emma how she can’t seem to find a punishment Emma doesn’t get off on.
The end goal in either case being to convince Emma and others that Emma is a pervert that secretly gets off on this treatment and to induce a kind of Stockholm Syndrome.
You could also track the choices and give Emma e.g. submission and masochism points for each choice, resulting in her character changing to a either a complete submissive perverted “little girl” with no self-esteem to speak of, a rebellious brat that is not so secretly a huge masochist and glutton for punishment and degradation or something in between. With slightly altered lines and the occasional extra scene for each. Maybe similar to e.g. Mass Effect’s Paragon / Renegade system?
Also definitely have Kat show up later and have her act differently depending on what happened in front of the dinner.
Another fun little thing would be for Emma to receive a vibrator (or two) with a heavy weight attached to it and being forced to walk in public without panties and a skirt that just barely hides the weights. So she has to walk real careful and “clamp down” on them to avoid the weights becoming visible to all around. Of course the pressure increases the effect of the vibrations. So if she clamps down too hard she risks a very public orgasm and the vibes falling out as she loses control. If she doesn’t clamp down hard enough they start sliding out, hang visibly so others might comment on them and might also fall out in the end. At the start she has her hands free to push them back in but soon she will have her hands full of bags to carry, as Susan is taking Emma shopping for clothes, accessories, “toys” and interior decorations for her room. Susan of course takes her time and considers Emma’s input but always starting with the most degrading option. So the sooner Emma agrees the more degrading her future but the longer she endures the higher the risk of being exposed and punished right here and now. Worst of all the stuff she picked will, in a way, be Emma’s “choice” a fact that Susan will regularly remind her off. For naughty Emma you could add an enema for a few extra lines and an especially degrading scene on failure.
Now you just need a mini scene and/or a few extra lines for each choice and big scenes for one or two choices and you have added a quite a bit of replay value to the game.
Another Idea would be to give a few options for piercings and/or degrading tattoos and add a few extra lines to any following scene when they are visible and maybe the occasional extra scene e.g. someone pulls on a nipple ring or leads Emma by a leash attached to her clit ring. Not that much extra work but creates the Illusion that the choice mattered.
I hope that helps you and wasn’t too arduous to read through.
Edit: One additional point: Make sure the choice for tattoos and/or piercings is last if you go for the shopping scene so Emma will be at her most desperate and the player can justify her picking the most degrading choice.
Some ideas for tattoos:
# A Tramp stamp consisting of a pink heart with butterflies left and right of it and a text within the heart e.g.:
- Mommy’s little Rug Muncher
- Mommy’s little Slut
- Mommy’s little Princess
# A porn version of a Disney Princess masturbating just above her crotch
# A band consisting of a few fairies engaging in sex acts around a thigh
# An arrow pointing at her crotch with the text "Please pet my Kitty" and some pink/glittery artwork around it
I think a big reason why people think your game is boring is because the choices only change the result in a minor way. While it is more work, you will create a more interesting game with larger diverging paths that only converge after a few more minor choices. You might want to search for “extra credits illusion of choice” on youtube as extra credits is, I think, a great source of tips for an indie developer.
A good way to do it now would be to track the choices of chapter 2 and have two or maybe three paths that converge and diverge depending on how many resist choices are picked. The more resist choices the more focus on breaking Emma through punishment and more degradation. With more submissive choices leading to perverted “rewards”. Basically a carrot and stick approach the more cooperation the more carrot, but the carrot should be also be degrading in some way.
One idea would be for Susan to start adding an aphrodisiac to Emma’s food. Submissive Emma gets a cute stuffed animal with a big dildo attached to meet her “needs” and/or maybe a rocking horse with one or two to sit on. Basically perversified little girls toys she can be secretly filmed or getting caught “playing” with. Receiving comments on how she seems to enjoy her new life.
Naughty Emma, by contrast, is stopped before orgasm each time she is caught masturbating and degraded verbally for being such a pervert to get off on the treatment she receives. Followed be a punishment that is painful e.g. spanking intermixed with “checking her for damage” (fondling her) to have her orgasm during punishment. With Susan acting exasperate and complaining to others in front of Emma how she can’t seem to find a punishment Emma doesn’t get off on.
The end goal in either case being to convince Emma and others that Emma is a pervert that secretly gets off on this treatment and to induce a kind of Stockholm Syndrome.
You could also track the choices and give Emma e.g. submission and masochism points for each choice, resulting in her character changing to a either a complete submissive perverted “little girl” with no self-esteem to speak of, a rebellious brat that is not so secretly a huge masochist and glutton for punishment and degradation or something in between. With slightly altered lines and the occasional extra scene for each. Maybe similar to e.g. Mass Effect’s Paragon / Renegade system?
Also definitely have Kat show up later and have her act differently depending on what happened in front of the dinner.
Another fun little thing would be for Emma to receive a vibrator (or two) with a heavy weight attached to it and being forced to walk in public without panties and a skirt that just barely hides the weights. So she has to walk real careful and “clamp down” on them to avoid the weights becoming visible to all around. Of course the pressure increases the effect of the vibrations. So if she clamps down too hard she risks a very public orgasm and the vibes falling out as she loses control. If she doesn’t clamp down hard enough they start sliding out, hang visibly so others might comment on them and might also fall out in the end. At the start she has her hands free to push them back in but soon she will have her hands full of bags to carry, as Susan is taking Emma shopping for clothes, accessories, “toys” and interior decorations for her room. Susan of course takes her time and considers Emma’s input but always starting with the most degrading option. So the sooner Emma agrees the more degrading her future but the longer she endures the higher the risk of being exposed and punished right here and now. Worst of all the stuff she picked will, in a way, be Emma’s “choice” a fact that Susan will regularly remind her off. For naughty Emma you could add an enema for a few extra lines and an especially degrading scene on failure.
Now you just need a mini scene and/or a few extra lines for each choice and big scenes for one or two choices and you have added a quite a bit of replay value to the game.
Another Idea would be to give a few options for piercings and/or degrading tattoos and add a few extra lines to any following scene when they are visible and maybe the occasional extra scene e.g. someone pulls on a nipple ring or leads Emma by a leash attached to her clit ring. Not that much extra work but creates the Illusion that the choice mattered.
I hope that helps you and wasn’t too arduous to read through.
Edit: One additional point: Make sure the choice for tattoos and/or piercings is last if you go for the shopping scene so Emma will be at her most desperate and the player can justify her picking the most degrading choice.
Some ideas for tattoos:
# A Tramp stamp consisting of a pink heart with butterflies left and right of it and a text within the heart e.g.:
- Mommy’s little Rug Muncher
- Mommy’s little Slut
- Mommy’s little Princess
# A porn version of a Disney Princess masturbating just above her crotch
# A band consisting of a few fairies engaging in sex acts around a thigh
# An arrow pointing at her crotch with the text "Please pet my Kitty" and some pink/glittery artwork around it
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Hmm a rather perverted idea...:
Susan is using the stolen money to get herself some fixing up. If she keeps that up she may eventually look pretty okay. At that point it would be a amusing to see a bad end where Emma gets back at Susan by having her sold off to a whorehouse or similar venue but in act of doing so getting caught up in it herself; ending up spitroasted right next to eachother forever to be used...
Susan is using the stolen money to get herself some fixing up. If she keeps that up she may eventually look pretty okay. At that point it would be a amusing to see a bad end where Emma gets back at Susan by having her sold off to a whorehouse or similar venue but in act of doing so getting caught up in it herself; ending up spitroasted right next to eachother forever to be used...
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@O1010000
Good suggestion. I appreciate that you took the time to give real feedback. It's interesting, when I try some of the games here on F95 I get frustrated with the over saturation of options and last of direction. In my mind I would rather have a choice here and there and let the story unfold as the creator intended. I'm sure there is a happy middle ground where we get the best of both worlds. I do intend for the next update of the Lawyer to the last. So, There will be a few more options, but not as complex as I'm sure some would like.
@Eliza13
Kill Susan... Psh... Nooo... That can't be a thing...
@numanumani
I hadn't thought about selling Susan into Slavery, but that's an interesting idea. Perhaps I can work that into another game.
Good suggestion. I appreciate that you took the time to give real feedback. It's interesting, when I try some of the games here on F95 I get frustrated with the over saturation of options and last of direction. In my mind I would rather have a choice here and there and let the story unfold as the creator intended. I'm sure there is a happy middle ground where we get the best of both worlds. I do intend for the next update of the Lawyer to the last. So, There will be a few more options, but not as complex as I'm sure some would like.
@Eliza13
Kill Susan... Psh... Nooo... That can't be a thing...
@numanumani
I hadn't thought about selling Susan into Slavery, but that's an interesting idea. Perhaps I can work that into another game.
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I assumed that by the end Susan will have so much plastic surgery that she will look like Emma did, and since Emma won't look like herself anymore Susan will end up going to prison for Emma's crimes.
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You are not wrong there. I feel the same when I see a game that starts to grow like a fractal tree. It just gets confusing when you drown in choices, the various paths expand slower and slower by necessity and eventually not at all because the creator gets overwhelmed and abandons the game.
You shouldn’t give hundreds of meaningful choices or even dozens but only a handful at most. For all others only try to give the Illusion that they mattered. By e.g. store the earlier choices and mention them in later scenes. With just a few line variations per scene in a conditional clause you can create the Illusion that the choice mattered. Even if in reality it changed almost nothing. True that won’t last for more than three playthroughs but by then the player already had a lot of fun.
You might want to look at the Telltale games almost none of the player’s choices matter in the long run, but it doesn’t feel that way at all on the first playthrough. Which is probably the main reason for always having the message “x will remember this” appear. It makes you think your choice just now will affect rest of the game, when in reality it often won't give you more than a few dozen different lines at most.
As they say on extra credits: The goal is not to design more but to design smarter.
Another rather simply trick is to have the minor choices alter stats and have them give a few line variations, unlock the occasional bonus scene and all combined affect the epilogue. At that point you can allow for a lot of variation, not just three different colors, because the game is over and nothing follows that has to take the variations into account.
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I thought this was going to be an actual game, but after reading 30 minutes of dialogue, then basically "quick clicking" through it for 30 more minutes, before finding ONE CHANCE TO MAKE AN ACTUAL CHOICE, I realize this is just a click story, with really nothing to do with gaming. That one choice I got to make didn't even change the outcome of that scene.
I feel disappointed that I wasted data downloading this. It's one thing if you're actually looking for a story to read, but I came here looking for an actual game. There's no way to prevent anything that happens to her.
I get it. Some games can have too many choices. But, it definitely needs to be more than what's given in this "game."
On the story, it actually annoyed me that 90% of what happened to her was illegal as hell, and no court judge cop nor lawyer would do things the way they were done.
Pointless rant over. If you enjoy this sort of thing, don't let my drunken rant disappoint your fun times.
lol
I feel disappointed that I wasted data downloading this. It's one thing if you're actually looking for a story to read, but I came here looking for an actual game. There's no way to prevent anything that happens to her.
I get it. Some games can have too many choices. But, it definitely needs to be more than what's given in this "game."
On the story, it actually annoyed me that 90% of what happened to her was illegal as hell, and no court judge cop nor lawyer would do things the way they were done.
Pointless rant over. If you enjoy this sort of thing, don't let my drunken rant disappoint your fun times.
lol
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Contrary to what most of these people came here to complain about, I REALLY enjoy your games. For one thing, these are porno games, or am I missing something? Go read some shitty book if you want "muh real story". Why the hell are you downloading this and bashing the creator for no reason?
It's amazing how dense and and entitled some people can be. You wasted your data? Good. Your data deserved to be wasted in the first place. You're coming to a porno focused website and you choose to complain about the choices in a game made by a single author, who is poorly funded and probably does it as a side project?
For the author, again, I really fucking love your games, and I do hope you continue making progress on these games, something about your style really jives with me. Of course, more choices and outcomes would be nice, but you should really just focus on what you want to do. Just because it is a renpy game or whatever does not mean it necessarily HAS to have a million choices and outcomes.
It's amazing how dense and and entitled some people can be. You wasted your data? Good. Your data deserved to be wasted in the first place. You're coming to a porno focused website and you choose to complain about the choices in a game made by a single author, who is poorly funded and probably does it as a side project?
For the author, again, I really fucking love your games, and I do hope you continue making progress on these games, something about your style really jives with me. Of course, more choices and outcomes would be nice, but you should really just focus on what you want to do. Just because it is a renpy game or whatever does not mean it necessarily HAS to have a million choices and outcomes.
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So I finally played it and I must say, it is quite fucked up. I like the way how Susan humiliated Emma. The Slavewall, eating things off the wall, etc. I tried to play objectivaly becouse I don't like playing thesubmissive/ the one that gets taken advantage off. I like S/M games but I have to play the dominant.
I played both paths (Emma trying to submit and Emma being defiant) but they basically were the same. I do hope there will be a path where Emma can take revenge.
My idea for a revenge plot. (Bssically hypnosis to refom Susan but could also be done with the help of Mr.White by using scopolamine)
1.) Start to talk to Susan in her sleep. (subliminal messages, they are proven to be highly effective if applied reguraly)
Emma starts off slow becouse Susan will notice if you make a harsh decision suddenly. The first night should be like: you love Emma, you want to make Emma happy, etc. It can go all the way up to: you will find that you are not truly happy if you are not serving Emma. You wan't to serve her becouse making Emma happy makes you happy. You are unble to get pleasure in life and sexually by being in control. You desire to be submissve, obedient. A slave. The Emma does this, the more you can see the changes in Susan. Eventually Susan confesses to Emma she loves her and desires to be her fuckslave and that she has all her money. Emma decides this is not enough. She wants revenge on Dean, Kat, Josh, Bernard, Camille (or whatever her name was), Basically everyone who wronged her.
End scene: We see Emma five years later, back in her penthouse, waking up in her big bed, being greated by all her naked slaves. (A fun thing to add is that Emma would eventually return to being a lawyer but makes extra sidemoney by pimping her slaves out)
I am a sucker for a winning villain (If I play her at least)
I played both paths (Emma trying to submit and Emma being defiant) but they basically were the same. I do hope there will be a path where Emma can take revenge.
My idea for a revenge plot. (Bssically hypnosis to refom Susan but could also be done with the help of Mr.White by using scopolamine)
1.) Start to talk to Susan in her sleep. (subliminal messages, they are proven to be highly effective if applied reguraly)
Emma starts off slow becouse Susan will notice if you make a harsh decision suddenly. The first night should be like: you love Emma, you want to make Emma happy, etc. It can go all the way up to: you will find that you are not truly happy if you are not serving Emma. You wan't to serve her becouse making Emma happy makes you happy. You are unble to get pleasure in life and sexually by being in control. You desire to be submissve, obedient. A slave. The Emma does this, the more you can see the changes in Susan. Eventually Susan confesses to Emma she loves her and desires to be her fuckslave and that she has all her money. Emma decides this is not enough. She wants revenge on Dean, Kat, Josh, Bernard, Camille (or whatever her name was), Basically everyone who wronged her.
End scene: We see Emma five years later, back in her penthouse, waking up in her big bed, being greated by all her naked slaves. (A fun thing to add is that Emma would eventually return to being a lawyer but makes extra sidemoney by pimping her slaves out)
I am a sucker for a winning villain (If I play her at least)
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Thank you for the idea meesteres. I'm wrapping up Emma's story so I can't add this in. I don't want to spoil anything, but there are a few endings. Looking at them... None of them are really good endings for Emma, some just less terrible than others...
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Thanks kittykatyuno. I am just one person spending my free time making games. I'm glad you're enjoying playing and I don't really mind the negative comments. This entire game's purpose was to learn the basics for Ren'Py so I can do a better job with Devin's Life.
I have learned a lot from making the game and also learned a lot from all the reviews good and bad. I'm looking forward to finishing up with Emma and getting back to Devin and the more detailed story.
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Aah that's too bad. Maybe I should have tried earlier. Maybe an idea for a future game. I will definantly play the endings.
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I think you missed the main points of my comments. I'll outline them.
(1) If it's gonna be a porn comic, tag/label it as such. If it's gonna be a game with lots of choices, fair amount of choices, etc, then label it as such. But, if it only has a tiny amount of choices that really don't impact the outcome of the scene, just may as well call it a comic and not a game. The point of a game, at least in MY mind, is to be able to control the outcome. It has NOTHING to do with whether it is a porn or not. It has to do with being able to control the outcome a lot better than just a small amount of choices.
(2) As I said in my comment, I understand how having way too many choices in the game can be annoying, and there's probably a fine medium where it's perfect.
(c) There are 2 ways to know if a game is worth it or not. One, read the tags and description, and two, download it and try it out. If it isn't specified in the description on what it is, you have to download it to see. If I had known there would be 30 minutes of dialogue before making a choice, I wouldn't have downloaded it in the first place, because that isn't what I was looking for. As I ALSO mentioned, I know other people may like it, so kudos to them and I'm not bashing that. But, I at least think people should know in the description that it's minimal game play and more dialogue than game play. That is at least fair, in my mind.
(d) In no way am I trying to bash the creator of the game. If that is how it came across, I apologize. Doing this for fun, you definitely should focus on what thrills you. I'm merely adding another opinion to the list.
But, kittykat, you go ahead and continue bashing other people for their own opinions on a forum that is meant to allow people to have their opinions, if that makes you feel any better. lol \m/
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Yeah no sorry mate, being an elitist does not make you the superior being. I am just saying that, and this is not particularly aimed at you per se, bashing a porn "game" for not having enough "choices" is a really dumb thing to say. And controlling the outcome? Not even the most high budgeted AAA games have any meaningful choices these days, by your definitions, nothing is a game then.I think you missed the main points of my comments. I'll outline them.
(1) If it's gonna be a porn comic, tag/label it as such. If it's gonna be a game with lots of choices, fair amount of choices, etc, then label it as such. But, if it only has a tiny amount of choices that really don't impact the outcome of the scene, just may as well call it a comic and not a game. The point of a game, at least in MY mind, is to be able to control the outcome. It has NOTHING to do with whether it is a porn or not. It has to do with being able to control the outcome a lot better than just a small amount of choices.
(2) As I said in my comment, I understand how having way too many choices in the game can be annoying, and there's probably a fine medium where it's perfect.
(c) There are 2 ways to know if a game is worth it or not. One, read the tags and description, and two, download it and try it out. If it isn't specified in the description on what it is, you have to download it to see. If I had known there would be 30 minutes of dialogue before making a choice, I wouldn't have downloaded it in the first place, because that isn't what I was looking for. As I ALSO mentioned, I know other people may like it, so kudos to them and I'm not bashing that. But, I at least think people should know in the description that it's minimal game play and more dialogue than game play. That is at least fair, in my mind.
(d) In no way am I trying to bash the creator of the game. If that is how it came across, I apologize. Doing this for fun, you definitely should focus on what thrills you. I'm merely adding another opinion to the list.
But, kittykat, you go ahead and continue bashing other people for their own opinions on a forum that is meant to allow people to have their opinions, if that makes you feel any better. lol \m/
And then there is the thing about "comics" and "games". What are you even trying to say with that?
And about tags, I feel in most cases, they convey the most important information for the most part, and of course, it can't convey it all, that's normal, there are so many games uploaded here that are more "normal" (dating sim types, romance, and just regular porn) which sometimes have some not so normal scenes in there, then you'd have to individually check each scene and dialogue of the entire *completed* game and then tag it, which is just a bad solution to a non existent problem.
And finally, I did not mean to "bash" you, or anyone. But, I will say it like I see it, what you're acting like, being a elitist about "muh choices", "muh real options", "games v/ comics" - in a PORNO website (for the most part), on a thread about a PORNO game, made by a free time dev, with limited budget is just plain being, well, an asshat, and again, I am sorry I am saying this, but this is honestly how I feel.