VN Ren'Py Completed The Lawyer [Chapter 1-3 Final] [Taboo]

[FookU2]

Yeah no sorry mate, being an elitist does not make you the superior being. I am just saying that, and this is not particularly aimed at you per se, bashing a porn "game" for not having enough "choices" is a really dumb thing to say. And controlling the outcome? Not even the most high budgeted AAA games have any meaningful choices these days, by your definitions, nothing is a game then.

And then there is the thing about "comics" and "games". What are you even trying to say with that?

And about tags, I feel in most cases, they convey the most important information for the most part, and of course, it can't convey it all, that's normal, there are so many games uploaded here that are more "normal" (dating sim types, romance, and just regular porn) which sometimes have some not so normal scenes in there, then you'd have to individually check each scene and dialogue of the entire *completed* game and then tag it, which is just a bad solution to a non existent problem.

And finally, I did not mean to "bash" you, or anyone. But, I will say it like I see it, what you're acting like, being a elitist about "muh choices", "muh real options", "games v/ comics" - in a PORNO website (for the most part), on a thread about a PORNO game, made by a free time dev, with limited budget is just plain being, well, an asshat, and again, I am sorry I am saying this, but this is honestly how I feel.

No harm, no foul. Just a misunderstanding. As far as "comic" versus "game", I mean comic as in, you just basically click to change the page and continue reading dialogue...whereas a game gives you options to move a character around and/or make choices that decide the response in a conversation or to decide the next action of the protagonist. To me, if you have very little choices, it feels more like just reading an online comic book. And, I see a ton of those on this site. Basically, just a bunch of picture and reading, and literally just clicking through to the next page to continue reading. And, trust me. I'm far from an elitist. Not sure how voicing my opinion on something makes me sound like I absolutely have to have it my way. I mean, that's what reviews and forums are for, unless I'm wrong....commenting opinions and suggestions. Maybe things could be worded in a less offensive sounding way, but I guess I just ain't the sugarcoating type. lol ...And, there were even previous comments who stated they thought there were not enough choices. That's just life. Everybody has their own opinion, and that doesn't make them elitists. Regardless, back to my last statement in my last comment, ...happy fapping to all, however ya get your kicks.

 

[Davox]

No harm, no foul. Just a misunderstanding. As far as "comic" versus "game", I mean comic as in, you just basically click to change the page and continue reading dialogue...whereas a game gives you options to move a character around and/or make choices that decide the response in a conversation or to decide the next action of the protagonist. To me, if you have very little choices, it feels more like just reading an online comic book. And, I see a ton of those on this site. Basically, just a bunch of picture and reading, and literally just clicking through to the next page to continue reading. And, trust me. I'm far from an elitist. Not sure how voicing my opinion on something makes me sound like I absolutely have to have it my way. I mean, that's what reviews and forums are for, unless I'm wrong....commenting opinions and suggestions. Maybe things could be worded in a less offensive sounding way, but I guess I just ain't the sugarcoating type. lol ...And, there were even previous comments who stated they thought there were not enough choices. That's just life. Everybody has their own opinion, and that doesn't make them elitists. Regardless, back to my last statement in my last comment, ...happy fapping to all, however ya get your kicks.

There is an issue with labelling on this site its categorically not a comic as that is only used for PDFs/JPEGs. There is no consistent way to identify a visual novel with choices to one without one. A 'kinetic novel' tag usually signifies it has minimal choices but thats not 100%. Neither is a multiple ending tag a sign that game has a lot of choices. Although I'm sure some firestarter will be along in a bit to argue against me....

If I start to get the feeling that a 'game' is going to be mostly reading I turn on auto skip unseen scenes make a save and then hold down ctrl and see how much text I'd have to get through to get the next few choices.

 

[FookU2]

[QUOTE="If I start to get the feeling that a 'game' is going to be mostly reading I turn on auto skip unseen scenes make a save and then hold down ctrl and see how much text I'd have to get through to get the next few choices.[/QUOTE]

I do that a lot, actually. I've held down the skip button for several minutes on some of them. lol
I guess I just prefer something with more choices and less reading. ..or, games where I can move the character around on the map. (if there's a proper term for this, I dunno, but who cares haha)

 

[taboo22]

Thank you everyone for the feedback. I purposeful didn't make this game overly complicated with lots of choices because the purpose for me making the game was to learn Ren'Py. That being said I have adjusted the way chapter three is laid out so the choices made will directly and very impact-fully change the way the game ends.

I still have a bit of work to do before it's released, but I look forward to hear you guys thoughts on how the game ends.

 

[Davox]

Thank you everyone for the feedback. I purposeful didn't make this game overly complicated with lots of choices because the purpose for me making the game was to learn Ren'Py. That being said I have adjusted the way chapter three is laid out so the choices made will directly and very impact-fully change the way the game ends.

I still have a bit of work to do before it's released, but I look forward to hear you guys thoughts on how the game ends.

Don't be afraid to go back and touch up earlier chapters as you learn new things. If your better work is later on in the game new players may never get to see it, if the first chapters put them off.

There is plenty of scope for new content in the earlier chapters. My main gripe is the pacing is off as there are big gaps in the timeline where the player has big jumps in their level of submission.

 

[Measiansta]

Broken into home which is unnecessary for a non-violent/dangerous individual, No warrant of arrest which is standard for arrest, Cavity searched in jail which is really only done for people who are entering prison, Denied phone call which is a basic right. No local lawyers or public lawyers on the defendant against the plaintiff(applies even if the defendant is a lawyer). I get that after she signed the contract she lost her rights but if she really is the best or one of the best lawyer in the game she would have done something before she even signed it or atleast read it. Please learn how cops make arrests, processing, and how a trial works.

 

[taboo22]

Broken into home which is unnecessary for a non-violent/dangerous individual, No warrant of arrest which is standard for arrest, Cavity searched in jail which is really only done for people who are entering prison, Denied phone call which is a basic right. No local lawyers or public lawyers on the defendant against the plaintiff(applies even if the defendant is a lawyer). I get that after she signed the contract she lost her rights but if she really is the best or one of the best lawyer in the game she would have done something before she even signed it or atleast read it. Please learn how cops make arrests, processing, and how a trial works.

Hi Measiansta,

First, I love fact that you took the time to point out this issues as you see them. Unfortunately, you made one critical assumption to base your argument, the time and place of the story.

This story doesn't take place in America in 2019. The story takes place in a fictional place and time that I have created. Where I control the laws and due process.

Second, It's just a game, and a bad one at that. I appreciate you giving feedback, but... I mean... Come on.

 

[FookU2]

Hi Measiansta,

First, I love fact that you took the time to point out this issues as you see them. Unfortunately, you made one critical assumption to base your argument, the time and place of the story.

This story doesn't take place in America in 2019. The story takes place in a fictional place and time that I have created. Where I control the laws and due process.

Second, It's just a game, and a bad one at that. I appreciate you giving feedback, but... I mean... Come on.

Most of us understand you created the game how you wanted to. We also understand how games, fantasy stories, etc, work. It's not always meant to be real, and never has to be. But...a lot of people like to see it at least close to reality, as in, laws being semi normal or making at least a little sense. All the things the commenter mentioned, I understand completely. I thought the same thing when she wasn't allowed a lawyer, or allowed to defend herself, and the judge almost appeared to be in on it, just due to him acting like he had a 5 year old mentality as far as the laws go. Again, we get it. You made it how you wanted, but I guess the point to this is, a game similar to this one, that has all the elements above, yet she still ended up in the situation she ended up in, would be great. The content, for the most part was good. I liked the storyline, other than none of the laws making sense.

 

[Lac]

[...] But...a lot of people like to see it at least close to reality, as in, laws being simi normal or making at least a little sense. [...]

No offence, but this is a perfect example of narrow-mindedness. So you live in a country with more or less law and order but there are many people whos fate is decided arbitrarily on the mood of some self proclaimed king or whatever. A look at the middle east and their understanding of human rights or rights of women and this story is not so far fetched anymore, similar or even crueler things happen there on a daily basis.
And how close to reality is star trek or wars. Do you also condone them?

 

[FookU2]

No offence, but this is a perfect example of narrow-mindedness. So you live in a country with more or less law and order but there are many people whos fate is decided arbitrarily on the mood of some self proclaimed king or whatever. A look at the middle east and their understanding of human rights or rights of women and this story is not so far fetched anymore, similar or even crueler things happen there on a daily basis.
And how close to reality is star trek or wars. Do you also condone them?

1- This story was obviously not set in any 3rd world nation where humans are basically cattle. I'm not so ignorant that I'm unaware of such things in other nations.
2- Star Wars & Star Trek DO have laws within their story lines that at least make a little sense as to their existence. Even in the Middle East, they still have some sort of law and order. It's just based off of their own idea of what's moral and what is not moral (because we all have a different set of morals that we go from).
3- Science Fiction, relating to aliens, space crafts, life on other planets, light sabers, laser guns, etc, is a lot different than not taking common sense within law into consideration when writing a story. In most movies you watch, the above mentioned included, there were specific reasons thought out for most of what they placed in the movie.

And, of course, it's just the opinion of myself and others who think like me. No reason to believe some people do or don't care about anything making any kinda sense at all. Some people are simply here for the naked toon bodies, while some of us like a little story to go along with it. lol

 

[Lac]

1- This story was obviously not set in any 3rd world nation where humans are basically cattle. I'm not so ignorant that I'm unaware of such things in other nations.

Here we go again. Just from the looks there is no way to determin the nation. Almost every 3rd world nation has an elite which lives in an ivory tower. Also to put a label on it i wouldn't call bahrain, saudi arabia or kuwait 3rd world nations. But there reigns the shari'ah in which especially women have almost no rights ... da capo

2- Star Wars & Star Trek DO have laws within their story lines that at least make a little sense as to their existence. Even in the Middle East, they still have some sort of law and order. It's just based off of their own idea of what's moral and what is not moral (because we all have a different set of morals that we go from).

3- Science Fiction, relating to aliens, space crafts, life on other planets, light sabers, laser guns, etc, is a lot different than not taking common sense within law into consideration when writing a story. In most movies you watch, the above mentioned included, there were specific reasons thought out for most of what they placed in the movie.

So if you can comprehend the laws in a story it's ok but if you cannot, like the laws in this story, it goes against common sense and moral. It's a little bit like pippi longstocking.

And, of course, it's just the opinion of myself and others who think like me. No reason to believe some people do or don't care about anything making any kinda sense at all. Some people are simply here for the naked toon bodies, while some of us like a little story to go along with it. lol

The majority isn't necessarily in the right but there's no accounting for taste.

 

[FookU2]

Here we go again. Just from the looks there is no way to determin the nation. Almost every 3rd world nation has an elite which lives in an ivory tower. Also to put a label on it i wouldn't call bahrain, saudi arabia or kuwait 3rd world nations. But there reigns the shari'ah in which especially women have almost no rights ... da capo


So if you can comprehend the laws in a story it's ok but if you cannot, like the laws in this story, it goes against common sense and moral. It's a little bit like pippi longstocking.


The majority isn't necessarily in the right but there's no accounting for taste.

Not being able to comprehend laws versus not having any laws at all...call it what ya want. lol
They are both female lawyers. That alone means they aren't under anything that denies women rights. That also is what makes no sense as to why she wasn't allowed a lawyer to defend her nor able to defend herself. She was defending countless other idiot criminals, and them getting away, and yet she wasn't allowed the same. At best, this is a personal vendetta against her, from the judge, and not just the other female lawyer.
"The majority isn't necessarily in the right but there's no accounting for taste." You're correct in that majority is not always right, but taste is based on personal opinion. What you see as right, others may see as wrong, and the opposite. And, considering each person's own list of what's moral & immoral, that means morals are also based on personal opinion. But, I think most can agree that rape, murder, slavery, etc, are immoral. (Even those who do it know it's immoral. They simply don't care. I may be wrong in that, but I'd bet on it and be willing to lose money on that bet if I were wrong.)
Either way, this is the last I comment on this discussion. Not cause I don't care to hear another opinion. I simply don't care to spend hours discussing something that really doesn't matter. We're discussing politics, religion and personal opinions on a game discussion. lol...that alone is goofy.

 

[taboo22]

Not being able to comprehend laws versus not having any laws at all...call it what ya want. lol
They are both female lawyers. That alone means they aren't under anything that denies women rights. That also is what makes no sense as to why she wasn't allowed a lawyer to defend her nor able to defend herself. She was defending countless other idiot criminals, and them getting away, and yet she wasn't allowed the same. At best, this is a personal vendetta against her, from the judge, and not just the other female lawyer.
"The majority isn't necessarily in the right but there's no accounting for taste." You're correct in that majority is not always right, but taste is based on personal opinion. What you see as right, others may see as wrong, and the opposite. And, considering each person's own list of what's moral & immoral, that means morals are also based on personal opinion. But, I think most can agree that rape, murder, slavery, etc, are immoral. (Even those who do it know it's immoral. They simply don't care. I may be wrong in that, but I'd bet on it and be willing to lose money on that bet if I were wrong.)
Either way, this is the last I comment on this discussion. Not cause I don't care to hear another opinion. I simply don't care to spend hours discussing something that really doesn't matter. We're discussing politics, religion and personal opinions on a game discussion. lol...that alone is goofy.

Hi FookU2, I appreciate you taking the time to let me know what you think. I agree there are certain story elements that could have been improved.

 

[FookU2]

Hi FookU2, I appreciate you taking the time to let me know what you think. I agree there are certain story elements that could have been improved.

Don't let my opinion change how you make games, if you have a certain way you wanna do something..it's your project, after all.
I'm just one person with another opinion. And none of this was meant as offensive towards the game or you, as has been said in previous comments. This latest discussion also got way further than intended. lol

 

[FookU2]

Don't let my opinion change how you make games, if you have a certain way you wanna do something..it's your project, after all.
I'm just one person with another opinion. And none of this was meant as offensive towards the game or you, as has been said in previous comments. This latest discussion also got way further than intended. lol

The artwork was great, though. Hot blondes are nice.(as well as red & pink). \m/ \m/

 

[Lac]

We're discussing politics, religion and personal opinions on a game discussion. lol...that alone is goofy.

I am going to disagree to that, this time quite out of principle.

 

[MorganMaximara]

No harm, no foul. Just a misunderstanding. As far as "comic" versus "game", I mean comic as in, you just basically click to change the page and continue reading dialogue...whereas a game gives you options to move a character around and/or make choices that decide the response in a conversation or to decide the next action of the protagonist. To me, if you have very little choices, it feels more like just reading an online comic book. And, I see a ton of those on this site. Basically, just a bunch of picture and reading, and literally just clicking through to the next page to continue reading. And, trust me. I'm far from an elitist. Not sure how voicing my opinion on something makes me sound like I absolutely have to have it my way. I mean, that's what reviews and forums are for, unless I'm wrong....commenting opinions and suggestions. Maybe things could be worded in a less offensive sounding way, but I guess I just ain't the sugarcoating type. lol ...And, there were even previous comments who stated they thought there were not enough choices. That's just life. Everybody has their own opinion, and that doesn't make them elitists. Regardless, back to my last statement in my last comment, ...happy fapping to all, however ya get your kicks.

I Agree. It's akin to the problem that Yatztee had with The World Ends With You: "This is not interactive storytelling, this is just reading." Sure you can't allow infinite amounts of choice but there is still option of providing the illusion of choice but that requires careful handling less the player realizes they are on rails.

The 1998 game Morpheus is an example of how this can work. There is enough variety in order things can be done that the "on rails" aspect of the game is effectively hidden from the player.

 

[baneini]

Possibly the dumbest game on this site. The scenarios and writing are something you'd expect from a 15y old.
Oh well, maybe the dev graduates from high school, comes up with a better pseudonym and makes a worthwhile game sometime in the future.

 

[taboo22]

Possibly the dumbest game on this site. The scenarios and writing are something you'd expect from a 15y old.
Oh well, maybe the dev graduates from high school, comes up with a better pseudonym and makes a worthwhile game sometime in the future.

Thank you for the feedback Baneini.

 

[fanboi]

what a ridiculous comment