VN Ren'Py The Missing Part [Ch.3] [jPk vns]

[SayoraSaint]

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an impudent, ungrateful creature. I hope MC comes to her senses and kicks her out. I don't think much of her friend either, but at least she's smart and a good worker, unlike that biach.

 

[yossa999]

I'm impressed how much hate Emily has generated. I think "cuck Hailey with Em" will become my favorite playthrough.

 

[SayoraSaint]

Sure she can push buttons with the MC, likes to see how far she can push things, not everyone is going to be into that.
I don't see why I need to get upset about pretend money though, which isn't mine and seems to not be a problem for the MC. He could probably buy multiple of those houses and not feel it, besides he explained how it's actually the company buying it, not him personally. Consider it an investment.

I've been in business for a long time and can definitely say that this isn't an investment, but a waste of money.
If the mc had been interested in her "services," then this action would have been somewhat justified, but in our case, to him, she's just a man on the street, and not a very good one at that.

 

[RNasc4444]

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You always know just how to annoy me

I'm impressed how much hate Emily has generated.

No you're not. She is the personification of "toxic traits". Just because you're into toxic women, doesn't mean most people are

 

[yossa999]

You always know just how to annoy me

No you're not. She is the personification of "toxic traits". Just because you're into toxic women, doesn't mean most people are

Bullshit as always

Emily cares about her friend more than anything. She lives with Hailey and knows her better than anyone. She sees every day how much effort Hailey puts into her career, dedicating all her time to the Ben and MC's company. How hard she works to prove her worth and how she proves it, living her life by her work. It was no wonder Ben offered her to be MC's assistant after he returned back. I doubt that in this situation Ben would burden the MC with the responsibility of grooming an employee of average qualities.

And now, looking at it all through Emily's eyes, her friend finally got lucky: she was noticed and her accomplishments, which Emily sees as undeniable, were appreciated. It would be a crime not to take advantage of the situation and make the most of it. Moreover, knowing Hailey's personality, she has no doubt that her friend will not bargain or ask for something that she considers excessive or undeserved due to her modesty.

And now who's MC to them? Well Hailey's boss is a nice old man, but beyond that, he's nothing more than a pile of cash he doesn't know what to do with. Emily knows nothing about him, not his personal problems, not his personality, not his attitude toward people. But living with Hailey she's already realized that modesty won't get you anywhere, and that you need to take advantage of your luck, otherwise it'll slip away.

I don't even mention the fact that the property is already owned by the company, and rewarding a promising employee by allowing her to rent that property won't cost the company much (it's already counted as a part of her benefiets package), but can significantly increase the employee's productivity and lock her to the company.

Another point I'd like to point out: Almost all the jPk's characters are quite contradictory mix of traits (well, except for Hailey's boobs, which are big, and Nia's, which are even bigger).

I'm not going to say that Emily doesn't have a certain amount of impudence, manipulativeness and presumptuousness. She has it all in her, and her behavior toward the MC, who genuinely wants to help Hailey, looks not very nice at the first glance. But she's confident she's acting in her friend's best interests (and her own, too, although I'm sure that's secondary). Besides, she's far from stupid, and you can clearly see her testing the waters with MC during their conversation at the cafe where MC offered to rent them a place to stay.

She sees that there are certain lines, and if she tries to cross them, she will get a loud and clear "no." Moreover, judging by the MC's reaction, she sees that her impudence amuses him rather than irritates him, as long as certain boundaries aren't crossed. Having discovered these boundaries, she isn't afraid to provoke his anger or irritation with her little trick, as she's almost certain the MC won't have any problem letting them choose a better apartment; it's just pocket money for him, after all.

So, personally, I don't see any toxicity here, although perhaps on your black-and-white scale it's not. Tastes differ, but I'll just point out that most players for some reason think that a MC in every AVN should be a completely blank slate and the dev should give them the opportunity to control the character the any way they want.

I doubt this is even technically possible in the AVN format; after all, it's not an RPG with a wide range of stats allowing for character customization. Besides, the story sets that the MC has a past, a personality, and the prologue made it clear that he's generally a pretty kind guy, willing to tolerate some female whims and quirks. I think Ella also acted rather brash and assertive when they first met.

A martial artist once said, "Strong people are kind people." It's a rather dubious statement, but I think it fits the MC in this game well. At least for now.

 

[Jarulf]

Bullshit as always

Emily cares about her friend more than anything. She lives with Hailey and knows her better than anyone. She sees every day how much effort Hailey puts into her career, dedicating all her time to the Ben and MC's company. How hard she works to prove her worth and how she proves it, living her life by her work. It was no wonder Ben offered her to be MC's assistant after he returned back. I doubt that in this situation Ben would burden the MC with the responsibility of grooming an employee of average qualities.

And now, looking at it all through Emily's eyes, her friend finally got lucky: she was noticed and her accomplishments, which Emily sees as undeniable, were appreciated. It would be a crime not to take advantage of the situation and make the most of it. Moreover, knowing Hailey's personality, she has no doubt that her friend will not bargain or ask for something that she considers excessive or undeserved due to her modesty.

And now who's MC to them? Well Hailey's boss is a nice old man, but beyond that, he's nothing more than a pile of cash he doesn't know what to do with. Emily knows nothing about him, not his personal problems, not his personality, not his attitude toward people. But living with Hailey she's already realized that modesty won't get you anywhere, and that you need to take advantage of your luck, otherwise it'll slip away.

I don't even mention the fact that the property is already owned by the company, and rewarding a promising employee by allowing her to rent that property won't cost the company much (it's already counted as a part of her benefiets package), but can significantly increase the employee's productivity and lock her to the company.

Another point I'd like to point out: Almost all the jPk's characters are quite contradictory mix of traits (well, except for Hailey's boobs, which are big, and Nia's, which are even bigger).

I'm not going to say that Emily doesn't have a certain amount of impudence, manipulativeness and presumptuousness. She has it all in her, and her behavior toward the MC, who genuinely wants to help Hailey, looks not very nice at the first glance. But she's confident she's acting in her friend's best interests (and her own, too, although I'm sure that's secondary). Besides, she's far from stupid, and you can clearly see her testing the waters with MC during their conversation at the cafe where MC offered to rent them a place to stay.

She sees that there are certain lines, and if she tries to cross them, she will get a loud and clear "no." Moreover, judging by the MC's reaction, she sees that her impudence amuses him rather than irritates him, as long as certain boundaries aren't crossed. Having discovered these boundaries, she isn't afraid to provoke his anger or irritation with her little trick, as she's almost certain the MC won't have any problem letting them choose a better apartment; it's just pocket money for him, after all.

So, personally, I don't see any toxicity here, although perhaps on your black-and-white scale it's not. Tastes differ, but I'll just point out that most players for some reason think that a MC in every AVN should be a completely blank slate and the dev should give them the opportunity to control the character the any way they want.

I doubt this is even technically possible in the AVN format; after all, it's not an RPG with a wide range of stats allowing for character customization. Besides, the story sets that the MC has a past, a personality, and the prologue made it clear that he's generally a pretty kind guy, willing to tolerate some female whims and quirks. I think Ella also acted rather brash and assertive when they first met.

A martial artist once said, "Strong people are kind people." It's a rather dubious statement, but I think it fits the MC in this game well. At least for now.

I take it you're fond of Emily?

 

[Jarulf]

I think the different takes on Emily is a testament to jPk's writing. An interesting plot and good renders isn't enough to lift a game to the really great ones, add rounded, conflicted and complex characters with both good and bad traits and we're getting there.
And I'm fairly sure that's where we're going.

 

[RNasc4444]

It would be a crime not to take advantage of the situation and make the most of it. Moreover, knowing Hailey's personality, she has no doubt that her friend will not bargain or ask for something that she considers excessive or undeserved due to her modesty.

almost certain the MC won't have any problem letting them choose a better apartment; it's just pocket money for him, after all.

While I understand your perspective entirely, I have to say I disagree with it 1000%. And these two lines I highlighted are the reason we'll always be far apart on this matter.

I think it should always be a crime to take advantage of someone. Anyone. At any time and for any reason. Regardless of their status, of their wealth, of their personality. Taking advantage of anyone or anything is always, in my book, selfish and morally and ethically wrong. If that makes my scale black and white, so be it. I would never repay kindness with greed and entitlement.

You didn't make any argument I didn't expect. I get why people would downplay her toxicity. I get why anyone would try to justify it saying she's doing it for Hailey. It's still wrong in my opinion. And while I don't doubt Emily's loyalty and devotion to Hailey, I still have to say it doesn't look good when she openly flirts with the guy her friend is interested in. I don't think "muddying the waters" and trying to tempt the MC is somehow her way of doing right by Hailey.

So, personally, I don't see any toxicity here, although perhaps on your black-and-white scale it's not. Tastes differ, but I'll just point out that most players for some reason think that a MC in every AVN should be a completely blank slate and the dev should give them the opportunity to control the character the any way they want.

I doubt this is even technically possible in the AVN format; after all, it's not an RPG with a wide range of stats allowing for character customization. Besides, the story sets that the MC has a past, a personality, and the prologue made it clear that he's generally a pretty kind guy, willing to tolerate some female whims and quirks. I think Ella also acted rather brash and assertive when they first met.

A martial artist once said, "Strong people are kind people." It's a rather dubious statement, but I think it fits the MC in this game well. At least for now.

Completely agree on your take of the MC. While I do appreciate having some agency, it does not bother me to see the devs giving the MC a given personality that they won't stray away from. And I've said this before and I'll say it again, this game has perhaps my absolute favorite playable character out of all AVN's I've tried so far. I genuinely like the guy. Design, personality, background, it's all great.

EDIT: And let's never discuss Ella. This entire thread would be on my ass if I ever said what I think of her

 

[yossa999]

I take it you're fond of Emily?

Only if to cuck Hailey with her.

But my true favorite is Vick, of course!

 

[yossa999]

Taking advantage of anyone or anything is always, in my book, selfish and morally and ethically wrong. If that makes my scale black and white, so be it. I would never repay kindness with greed and entitlement.

I understand this position although I don't share it. And am not going to dig into that. Otherwise, we'd have to discuss, for example, how the MC's actions appear from the perspective of the HR department, whether he acted solely out of altruistic motives, and so on.

That said, I agree with the game's high praise; I haven't encountered anything this good in a long time. I enjoyed playing through all (well, almost all) of the routes, so I can't even say I favored any particular love interest; they were all good in their own way.

 

[Real Kreten]

Emily cares about her friend more than anything. She lives with Hailey and knows her better than anyone. She sees every day how much effort Hailey puts into her career, dedicating all her time to the Ben and MC's company. How hard she works to prove her worth and how she proves it, living her life by her work. It was no wonder Ben offered her to be MC's assistant after he returned back. I doubt that in this situation Ben would burden the MC with the responsibility of grooming an employee of average qualities.

I would think that Hailey works tirelessly for the company and its benefit, after such an assessment. Not for the goal of building her personal career.
If you feel like someone is exaggerating, there's no need to exaggerate in the opposite direction.

I agree that MC is just some rich guy for Emily. Somebody who throws money everywhere, so why not take advantage of it. That is, why I personally don't blame her for the outcome.

However, it is not appropriate to ignore that the MC is in a state of severe mental trauma, and his actions are influenced by it. To what extent is Emily excused, if she knows nothing about it???

Just a small note at the end. Hailey hadn't brought the company a penny, at the time Emily "coaxed" house out of MC.

 

[yossa999]

I would think that Hailey works tirelessly for the company and its benefit, after such an assessment. Not for the goal of building her personal career.

She's building her career by working tirelessly for the good of the company. One doesn't exclude the other. And yet her work is undervalued. Ben is a terrible boss; I always said MC should cuck him with Vick!

If you feel like someone is exaggerating, there's no need to exaggerate in the opposite direction.

Sounds like you just have signed up to the zone. I hope we're all here for fun, not to objectively and fairly evaluate the performance of employees at some fictitious company. At least, that's certainly not what I'm here for.

I agree that MC is just some rich guy for Emily. Somebody who throws money everywhere, so why not take advantage of it. That is, why I personally don't blame her for the outcome.

Not quite. While some advantage was taken, was it as big, as you guys are trying to paint it, portraying Emily as a toxic, selfish, and greedy person?

How much is the company of two attractive young girls worth, even without sex? Well, since we're trying to measure everything. How much is an hour of casual conversation worth today with a funny, cheerful, and slightly sassy girl who brings a smile to your face and distracts you from the gloomy thoughts of a walk to the bridge? Perhaps the MC is taking advantage of the situation? Perhaps she gave him more than she took?

However, it is not appropriate to ignore that the MC is in a state of severe mental trauma, and his actions are influenced by it. To what extent is Emily excused, if she knows nothing about it???

Well, from a forensic perspective, intent is one of the core components of a crime. I didn't notice Emily was trying to take advantage of MC's unstable mental state, or even she suspected it. Although, knowing jPk, perhaps we weren't told everything about her.

Just a small note at the end. Hailey hadn't brought the company a penny, at the time Emily "coaxed" house out of MC.

Then I would have been more disgusted by the MC than Emily; he bought a couple of worthless, stupid but pretty chicks for a very moderate price. A run-of-the-mill AVN plot.

 

[Real Kreten]

How much is an hour of casual conversation worth today with a funny, cheerful, and slightly sassy girl who brings a smile to your face and distracts you from the gloomy thoughts of a walk to the bridge?

I would say nothing. I've never had to pay for it. Just offer a relevant male alternative. And in my opinion, MC is that.
Otherwise, I personally don't have a negative opinion about any of the three actors.

Hailey is just trying to build a career and it's not her fault that the reward came before she deserved it.

Emily saw a rich guy who didn't know what to do with his money. So she decided to use her sex appeal and go for it. It's the MC's responsibility to set boundaries on his side.

MC is still under the influence of mental trauma, so he prefers to accommodate people rather than set any boundaries.

No one did anything wrong, given what they knew or what state they were in. But I have bad aftertaste from the result that spoils the entire Hailey path for me.

 

[yossa999]

I would say nothing. I've never had to pay for it. Just offer a relevant male alternative. And in my opinion, MC is that.
Otherwise, I personally don't have a negative opinion about any of the three actors.

Hailey is just trying to build a career and it's not her fault that the reward came before she deserved it.

Emily saw a rich guy who didn't know what to do with his money. So she decided to use her sex appeal and go for it. It's the MC's responsibility to set boundaries on his side.

MC is still under the influence of mental trauma, so he prefers to accommodate people rather than set any boundaries.

No one did anything wrong, given what they knew or what state they were in. But I have bad aftertaste from the result that spoils the entire Hailey path for me.

Honestly, what annoys me most is that the MC has to pretend that he likes Emily's piercings and looks at them with interest just to get her attention so he can get a chance to inspect them later. I don't like this shit, damnit!

 

[RNasc4444]

She's building her career by working tirelessly for the good of the company. One doesn't exclude the other. And yet her work is undervalued. Ben is a terrible boss; I always said MC should cuck him with Vick!

I know you're trolling but watch your goddamn mouth!
Ben is a saint! A wonderful boss, friend and husband who certainly deserves better than that meddling harpy of a wife he's got!
And Hailey? Undervalued?!!?!? What?!?! Hailey is a pariah at the company because she is selfish and unable to work as part of a team in a professional environment. She is fucking lucky to even have a job there still. Ben drops her off on the MC if you choose to take over the project because he doesn't know what else to do with her.

I'm very curious to find out if she'll still be working there in my playthrough or if Ben kicked her to the curb.

 

[yossa999]

Ben drops her off on the MC if you choose to take over the project because he doesn't know what else to do with her.

That's what I'm talking about, Ben doesn't know what to do with Hailey, Ben doesn't know what to do with Vick...
Let's cuck him!

 

[Maviarab]

That's what I'm talking about, Ben doesn't know what to do with Hailey, Ben doesn't know what to do with Vick...
Let's cuck him!

You're a bad man Yossa, not that I neccessarily disagree but still...bad Yossa!

 

[MagicShoppe]

There are two reasons I'm not a fan of Emily. RNasc4444 has fully articulated one of the for me so go reread what they said.

The other is their age difference in ratio to her youth. Even if MC was the epitome of normal mental health (whatever that is) they're just not at compatible life stages. But he's not, and that makes it worse. Frankly, I think Emily can see MC has issues and she should be steering her friend away from him. Maybe I'm giving her too much credit. But the alternative is to believe she's an even bigger manipulator than others are saying she is.

 

[DMF]

Massive props to the creator. The writing was so good that i pretty much ignored the porn.

 

[Trojaner]