VN Ren'Py The Nature of Magic [Ch.1] [Slate Interactive]

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VirsagoX

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Thought I put planned tags under the genre bit, but maybe I borked it. Anyway, here they are:

Ahegao, Vaginal Sex, Creampie, Male domination, Female Domination, Group Sex, Groping, Lesbian, Masturbation, Milf, Pregnancy, Sex Toys, Titfuck, Virgin
Great choices to add for the planned tags, i feel it will fit right in with the harem of this and the story for the modern magic feels like a great hit to add up the reasons behind it all. Can't wait for more to come.
 
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It's kind of hard for me to imagine a harem without some lesbian fun.
I mean, if you have 6 sexy horny babes that share you, that means 1) they only get 1/6th of the action that other women get and 2) they not only know about each other but they approve of the others, they need to get along, and they need to be satisfied as part of the group. Harems are already unrealistic, but it seems particularly unrealistic to have a bunch of horny women together happy to be sharing one man without being interested in at least playing around with each other.

Thing is, it doesn't matter what I think. I don't own the game and I don't own the definitive definition of a harem, and the developer should make the game that makes them happy.
 

Steinchen

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That's a good note on the pranks, I don't think I did a great job articulating that that's how MC and Cerys have always been with each other. It's certainly that way in my head and I may have just not put into text properly. There was no dosing, magic or otherwise. Chapter Two turns the tables a bit, so that will hopefully address your concern in part. Should also be pretty quick to add some extra dialogue in Chap 1 to flesh out that part of their relationship better as part of the Chapter Two release. There's one line in particular that should do the trick now that I think on it. Thanks for pointing this out, I absolutely don't want it to seem like Cerys is just tormenting the player character.

Pregnancy/impregnation stuff is optional, that might be another case of me just not wording things well.

I'm open to allowing the player to choose Anwen's nickname.

Chapter One was mostly focused on introductions and the arrival of the wards. There'll definitely be more to come with both Anwen and Áine in Chapter Two.
Honestly try to tone it down a bit with Cerys will you???

it really looks like the MC is constantly being humilliated by her and you may see it as banter between two best friends,but some of it crosses a line.
Cerys and the MC are going to be Married and seeing how this chapter was seems like the MC got himself a mistress.

and what makes the MC so Special when he teaches everyone "the weave" at some point and gets disgraced by Cerys in an trainings fight so easily???

i don´t get it because now it only looks like it gets down to a path where the MC is going to be a plaything for everybody involved,and he just takes it and moves on like a good puppy.
Then the most important part is he is always on the receiving end with the pranks,and he does not fight back with pranks himself.

it is one thing if two best friends throwing banters at each other,but pranks when more persons are around that ends in the MC being humilliated often,where he is supposed to be someone special is another matter.

that probably just shows everybody that the so "special" MC is nothing but a Special Doormat.

but on other matters your first chapter was pretty good except the few flaws here and there. (y)(y)
 
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sisco1986

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I also think that you need to tone down cerys a little BUT some of the responses are equally bad, they want your mc to basically be The Terminator and that once he fucks a girl they go back into a closet until the mc needs to fuck them again. Having a mc with a thick skin and the rest of the cast being playful with him it's not bad at all, i swear that some people here only play games where the mc it's a hyperqualified alpha male killing machine
 

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I also think that you need to tone down cerys a little BUT some of the responses are equally bad, they want your mc to basically be The Terminator and that once he fucks a girl they go back into a closet until the mc needs to fuck them again. Having a mc with a thick skin and the rest of the cast being playful with him it's not bad at all, i swear that some people here only play games where the mc it's a hyperqualified alpha male killing machine
beeing playfull with each other is one thing buuuut....

1. When the MC is Always on the receiving end????
2. it more or less always ends in the MC get Humilliated with other persons around??

that has nothing to do with beeing playfull anymore because MC beeing "special" and all that.
that just shows he is a better doormat for everybody.
 

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here only play games where the mc it's a hyperqualified alpha male killing machine
jokes on you there are maybe five that would qualify for that on the entire side.

as a whole i liked the start very much,
BUT from what we get told MC basically had luck that he is still alive and the whole "The Deamon" thing is basically a joke and he is slightly more dangerous that a dealer with an .38er
 

Steinchen

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I absolutely don't want it to seem like Cerys is just tormenting the player character.
well in a way it is just like that.
there are many scenes where the MC gets literaly humilliated and he takes it like it is a normal thing that happens every day.
and the most worse part of that is in some scenes that happens with other persons around them so how does that look in other persons eyes???
i would say that goes way above some teasing or bantering among friends that goes way overboard what normal "besties" and a soon to be married person would do to to his fiancée.

think about abit please.

would a "special" person be treated that way?
how would he look like and seen in other peoples eyes especially when other family members are coming to be warded and he seems to be training them at some point then and they are maybe expected to get impregnated by such a "doormat" ??
 
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MadMoonMan69

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Please keep writing the story you want & don't change for a few whiners!

Absolutely nothing wrong with those pranks and he is very smart not to retaliate too strongly, as he is the one who abandoned her for 5 years!
All of the family are obviously much more powerful than the MC, because of education & training, he is humble (not weak) enough to recognise this. He is still an accomplished warrior!
I can't believe how sensitive some people get because the MC doesn't treat everyone woman like dogshit. I personally like a slightly toned down version of "treat them like a Princess in the streets and a whore between the sheets."

Great story, I can't wait for more!!
 

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well in a way it is just like that.
there are many scenes where the MC gets literaly humilliated and he takes it like it is a normal thing that happens every day.
and the most worse part of that is in some scenes that happens with other persons around them so how does that look in other persons eyes???
i would say that goes way above some teasing or bantering among friends that goes way overboard what normal "besties" and a soon to be married person would do to to his fiancée.

think about abit please.

would a "special" person be treated that way?
how would he look like and seen in other peoples eyes especially when other family members are coming to be warded and he seems to be training them at some point then and they are maybe expected to get impregnated by such a "doormat" ??
The thing is the situation is complicated, he cut all contact with her and she obviously worried like crazy thinking even he might be dead, and training to the point she became one of the best diviners around likely to try to find out about him, now in exchange she has been pranking the Hell out of him, and he doesn't take it because he is a doormat, he take it because he is fully aware he fucked up and that this is his penance. Also most of the humiliation has been in private or in front of her family members, while the one thing done in front of one of the wards is when he woke up outside naked, and the goal of that wasn't humiliation, its a bait for Leela, dangling him in front of her naked to get her attention.

Like someone else mentioned too many people here have issues if the male MC isn't either a absolute alpha chad or an absolute beta cuck, with no flexibility in between. The thing about the whole Daemon is that he was a vigilante merc fighting largely some random scum, but enough of them to be noticed, also here is the thing, the Families are magical power houses, he might have fought some random magic users, but not magical power houses that were trained at the highest level possible at the earliest possible, so yea he might be a match capable of beating most people, but someone like Cerys is literally in the top ten most powerful humans around, with only elder members of longer lasting races being able to match her, she is the Kakashi Hatake of this story, while the MC is Naruto, yea right now at the start she owns him, but he has a gift, give him enough time and he'll surpass her after learning all the stuff he hasn't yet learned due to a lack of a formal magical education, but right now, yea she owns him.

Their is that little thing called character development, some people should really learn about that, and that isn't just a measure of emotional & psychological development, but power development, a character doesn't start with a god-like level of power, they have to get there. Even so called 'Chosen One' in stories don't start at the top they have to climb up to the top, its part of the story, so maybe people should be bitching less about how in CHAPTER 1 the character isn't an unbeatable god-like, and maybe give the MC time to get there by the end of the story.
 

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The thing is the situation is complicated, he cut all contact with her and she obviously worried like crazy thinking even he might be dead, and training to the point she became one of the best diviners around likely to try to find out about him, now in exchange she has been pranking the Hell out of him, and he doesn't take it because he is a doormat, he take it because he is fully aware he fucked up and that this is his penance. Also most of the humiliation has been in private or in front of her family members, while the one thing done in front of one of the wards is when he woke up outside naked, and the goal of that wasn't humiliation, its a bait for Leela, dangling him in front of her naked to get her attention.

Like someone else mentioned too many people here have issues if the male MC isn't either a absolute alpha chad or an absolute beta cuck, with no flexibility in between. The thing about the whole Daemon is that he was a vigilante merc fighting largely some random scum, but enough of them to be noticed, also here is the thing, the Families are magical power houses, he might have fought some random magic users, but not magical power houses that were trained at the highest level possible at the earliest possible, so yea he might be a match capable of beating most people, but someone like Cerys is literally in the top ten most powerful humans around, with only elder members of longer lasting races being able to match her, she is the Kakashi Hatake of this story, while the MC is Naruto, yea right now at the start she owns him, but he has a gift, give him enough time and he'll surpass her after learning all the stuff he hasn't yet learned due to a lack of a formal magical education, but right now, yea she owns him.

Their is that little thing called character development, some people should really learn about that, and that isn't just a measure of emotional & psychological development, but power development, a character doesn't start with a god-like level of power, they have to get there. Even so called 'Chosen One' in stories don't start at the top they have to climb up to the top, its part of the story, so maybe people should be bitching less about how in CHAPTER 1 the character isn't an unbeatable god-like, and maybe give the MC time to get there by the end of the story.
ahhhh so that is why the MC is called "special" all the way why didn´t you say so from the beginning.... :WeSmart:
always there to take it whenever his SOON TO BE WIFE feels like pranking him to a degree when it is not normal "bestie" banter anymore wow... :WaitWhat:

of course it is normal pranking too to wake up in shorts in the grass outside,or going to breakfast to the kitchen naked,and for him strangers are there where is the harm..... :FacePalm:
and all the other things that happened when Cerys family was present..... :FacePalm:

everything for character development okayyyy ...... o_O

i understand all that banter and pranking to a degree,but more only makes him look like a puppy that is at the mercy of his mistress...

i played many games but to put THAT under the roof of Character Development thats new...
you need to make a hell of a plottwist to change that,and i don´t think that will change the behaviour of Cerys because that was mentioned at the beginning already that Cerys and the MC where always like this.
so the pranking is not justified because he was gone for 5 years and cut all ties.

and don´t get me wrong i like this first chapter and just wrote to maybe turn it down a litte with Cerys.
 
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Juerhullycin

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yall need a fucking refresher what the fuck banter means.
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See the word exchange in both definitions?
it denotes a back and forth, something that goes both ways. (bonus points if you also saw the words good-humored, playfull and friendly)

In this game nothing goes both ways, MC is constantly shit on.


All of the family are obviously much more powerful than the MC, because of education & training, he is humble (not weak) enough to recognise this.
were i am from we call the constant hackling of someone weaker than you bullying. To justify that with their noble status makes it look worse not better.

while the one thing done in front of one of the wards is when he woke up outside naked, and the goal of that wasn't humiliation, its a bait for Leela, dangling him in front of her naked to get her attention.
you mean the one were he strolled naked into the kitchen because of a prank in front of all of them doesnt count?


The thing about the whole Daemon is that he was a vigilante merc fighting largely some random scum, but enough of them to be noticed, also here is the thing, the Families are magical power houses, he might have fought some random magic users, but not magical power houses that were trained at the highest level possible at the earliest possible, so yea he might be a match capable of beating most people, but someone like Cerys is literally in the top ten most powerful humans around, with only elder members of longer lasting races being able to match her
I have no grief that he gets bested by Cerys because its like you described it, but he learned nothing in five years? even fighting street mages and scum he should have learned something.

like i said he survived by dumb luck and his demon persona, while hyped up by everyone, is in reality like congratulating a toddler for his first unaided step. We have a legendary Cop of the super special delta ultra elite force fawning over MC for something any other mage could do with the flic of their wrist.

It sounds like MCs speciality is knifing enemies in the back while they are distracted. But somehow he gets praised for it like he battered down some castle gate and stormed it all by him self.
 

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Put together a couple quick wallpapers to celebrate the holidays. I'm sharing the 2560x1440 versions publicly while the 4K versions will be on their respective tiers (Mage/Master). Enjoy!
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Thanks for the share. Looks like a quite intricate urban fantasy. The setup and setting look very intriguing. I like all the work that went into constructing the background of the world and the Families. Working different terms and names into it make the otherworldy experience more believable (inspired by old english if I'm guessing correctly).

The character design is great overall. Love the redhead galore. I found the overall quality of the design of the Wards was somewhat less than that of the Gryms. Like more time went into the redheads than the others.
Good to see so much effort though in making the characters be different from other games. MCs design (while not totally my favorite) is still quite refreshing and different. Good job on that.
The dynamic between the Gryms is really wholesome and believable as a family. The different character relations also function quite well and make for good setup for conflict and potential reconciliation.

Music was good, but nothing out of the ordinary. In some parts sound could help with underlining the tone of the scene. It kind of surprised me that Bael in the gym got that and the scene with the possible stalker/assassin only relied on the visual.

Animations were a bit of a letdown. I know they are much work to set up and render, but that would have really put the crown on this over the mostly only slides we saw. Really the only part I actually did not like much, no matter how hot the scene with Cerys ended up being.

Some points to mention though: With time between update cycles, it would probably be nice to have the pronunciation hints in the Memory menu. That way we can check them again on demand. As with many VN that use it, some of the automatically progressing image sequences are easily skipped when not on auto mode, as there is little indicator that such a thing currently happening. Found myself skipping sometimes unintentionally.

For some renders I though that eyes sometimes looked quite glowy white. Might be lighting.
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I absolutely don't want it to seem like Cerys is just tormenting the player character.
So the naked thing is kinda debatable. It would make more sense if that happened after they knew about MCs Affinity and were likely to actually try to get into his pants and this happened (at least how I saw it) before those circumstances arose. If this was meant to be more "normal" in your version of modern society that did not really come across to me at least, but I could guess so, since there were one or two hints at some social norms being different. It might seem more like tormenting if not on the romance path, that is kind of true, otherwise, Cerys' spicy passion and affection are somewhat clear, but yes, that scene did have me raise an eyebrow at least.
I have seen some people go way too apeshit at this though. So let me state (as some others also have) please make your game and not that of the whiners. Some people just can't abide by anything that contradicts their fantasies even in the slightest. It is after all your story and you will never make them all happy.

But I do agree that there is an imbalance in shenanigans perpetrated, so having MC pull a prank more often (like the tickling) or something could actually add value to the character interactions. As I have written up above, I found the family dynamics very wholesome, but MC seems to be a bit excluded from that (as he does not act much towards them as they do to him, so it's not by the others behavior, mostly his and while I get that he was gone for years, so far the Gryms seem to try and not act too differently because of that. Just my perception of course :unsure: ). And yes, it could very well be part of character development, even if some people don't want basic things like that.

Overall I thought it was a very good first release. World building has me sold. The release is quite long, but this can be attributed to the quite large amount of dialogue and reading information. Can be good or bad depending on personal taste. I like it a lot. This is much more good reading and less porn game. But these slowburns are great every once in a while and I hope you will bring us a wonderful story. I'm excited to see what you have thought up for this world .

Cheers =)

Edits: spoilering spoilery things and fixing borked stuff
 
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Thanks for the share. Looks like a quite intricate urban fantasy. The setup and setting look very intriguing. I like all the work that went into constructing the background of the world and the Families. Working different terms and names into it make the otherworldy experience more believable (inspired by old english if I'm guessing correctly).

The character design is great overall. Love the redhead galore. I found the overall quality of the design of the Wards was somewhat less than that of the Gryms. Like more time went into the redheads than the others.
Good to see so much effort though in making the characters be different from other games. MCs design (while not totally my favorite) is still quite refreshing and different. Good job on that.
The dynamic between the Gryms is really wholesome and believable as a family. The different character relations also function quite well and make for good setup for conflict and potential reconciliation.

Music was good, but nothing out of the ordinary. In some parts sound could help with underlining the tone of the scene. It kind of surprised me that Bael in the gym got that and the scene with the possible stalker/assassin only relied on the visual.

Animations were a bit of a letdown. I know they are much work to set up and render, but that would have really put the crown on this over the mostly only slides we saw. Really the only part I actually did not like much, no matter how hot the scene with Cerys ended up being.

Some points to mention though: With time between update cycles, it would probably be nice to have the pronunciation hints in the Memory menu. That way we can check them again on demand. As with many VN that use it, some of the automatically progressing image sequences are easily skipped when not on auto mode, as there is little indicator that such a thing currently happening. Found myself skipping sometimes unintentionally.

For some renders I though that eyes sometimes looked quite glowy white. Might be lighting.
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So the naked thing is kinda debatable. It would make more sense if that happened after they knew about MCs Affinity and were likely to actually try to get into his pants and this happened (at least how I saw it) before those circumstances arose. If this was meant to be more "normal" in your version of modern society that did not really come across to me at least, but I could guess so, since there were one or two hints at some social norms being different. It might seem more like tormenting if not on the romance path, that is kind of true, otherwise, Cerys' spicy passion and affection are somewhat clear, but yes, that scene did have me raise an eyebrow at least.
I have seen some people go way too apeshit at this though. So let me state (as some others also have) please make your game and not that of the whiners. Some people just can't abide by anything that contradicts their fantasies even in the slightest. It is after all your story and you will never make them all happy.

But I do agree that there is an imbalance in shenanigans perpetrated, so having MC pull a prank more often (like the tickling) or something could actually add value to the character interactions. As I have written up above, I found the family dynamics very wholesome, but MC seems to be a bit excluded from that (as he does not act much towards them as they do to him, so it's not by the others behavior, mostly his and while I get that he was gone for years, so far the Gryms seem to try and not act too differently because of that. Just my perception of course :unsure: ). And yes, it could very well be part of character development, even if some people don't want basic things like that.

Overall I thought it was a very good first release. World building has me sold. The release is quite long, but this can be attributed to the quite large amount of dialogue and reading information. Can be good or bad depending on personal taste. I like it a lot. This is much more good reading and less porn game. But these slowburns are great every once in a while and I hope you will bring us a wonderful story. I'm excited to see what you have thought up for this world .

Cheers =)

Edits: spoilering spoilery things and fixing borked stuff
Great catches on the typos, I've patched those for the next release. Thanks!

The thing is the situation is complicated, he cut all contact with her and she obviously worried like crazy thinking even he might be dead, and training to the point she became one of the best diviners around likely to try to find out about him, now in exchange she has been pranking the Hell out of him, and he doesn't take it because he is a doormat, he take it because he is fully aware he fucked up and that this is his penance. Also most of the humiliation has been in private or in front of her family members, while the one thing done in front of one of the wards is when he woke up outside naked, and the goal of that wasn't humiliation, its a bait for Leela, dangling him in front of her naked to get her attention.

Like someone else mentioned too many people here have issues if the male MC isn't either a absolute alpha chad or an absolute beta cuck, with no flexibility in between. The thing about the whole Daemon is that he was a vigilante merc fighting largely some random scum, but enough of them to be noticed, also here is the thing, the Families are magical power houses, he might have fought some random magic users, but not magical power houses that were trained at the highest level possible at the earliest possible, so yea he might be a match capable of beating most people, but someone like Cerys is literally in the top ten most powerful humans around, with only elder members of longer lasting races being able to match her, she is the Kakashi Hatake of this story, while the MC is Naruto, yea right now at the start she owns him, but he has a gift, give him enough time and he'll surpass her after learning all the stuff he hasn't yet learned due to a lack of a formal magical education, but right now, yea she owns him.

Their is that little thing called character development, some people should really learn about that, and that isn't just a measure of emotional & psychological development, but power development, a character doesn't start with a god-like level of power, they have to get there. Even so called 'Chosen One' in stories don't start at the top they have to climb up to the top, its part of the story, so maybe people should be bitching less about how in CHAPTER 1 the character isn't an unbeatable god-like, and maybe give the MC time to get there by the end of the story.
This is very close to what I was trying to convey. The MC, as The Daemon, is very dangerous in the world outside of the most elite and highly trained mages in the world: the Families. But, as the Chapter One title says, he's entering a new world now. I don't want to get into too much detail for spoiler reasons, but he is absolutely going to grow into his new role, both in terms of his magic ability and his relationships with the LIs. Chapter Two will see the start of this.

And as far as the humiliation goes, it seems like I didn't do a good enough job articulating that nudity isn't a big deal in this world, and, as such, Cerys's actions were meant to be playful rather than humiliating. I had hoped for the short back and forth with Bael in the kitchen where she invites him to stay and eat would help convey that point, but it looks like I should add a bit more to help make it clearer.

This project is a lot of firsts for me, including writing, so I'm not surprised to see that I haven't articulated some things as well I would have liked. The feedback from everyone has been immensely helpful in that regard. Thanks!
 

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vn pretty good only two things i absolutely hate the forced marriage and mc always being humiliated by cyes or how ever u spell her name ever chance she gets im probably wrong which im usually am but it looks like she enjoys humiliating the mc other then those two things its a pretty enjoyable game
 
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yall need a fucking refresher what the fuck banter means.
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See the word exchange in both definitions?
it denotes a back and forth, something that goes both ways. (bonus points if you also saw the words good-humored, playfull and friendly)

In this game nothing goes both ways, MC is constantly shit on.



were i am from we call the constant hackling of someone weaker than you bullying. To justify that with their noble status makes it look worse not better.


you mean the one were he strolled naked into the kitchen because of a prank in front of all of them doesnt count?




I have no grief that he gets bested by Cerys because its like you described it, but he learned nothing in five years? even fighting street mages and scum he should have learned something.

like i said he survived by dumb luck and his demon persona, while hyped up by everyone, is in reality like congratulating a toddler for his first unaided step. We have a legendary Cop of the super special delta ultra elite force fawning over MC for something any other mage could do with the flic of their wrist.

It sounds like MCs speciality is knifing enemies in the back while they are distracted. But somehow he gets praised for it like he battered down some castle gate and stormed it all by him self.
Well again, you'd notice the prank in front of the wards was having him naked, like for waking outside naked, its a bait for the wards, remember one of the goals is outright having him seduce them, the fact both pranks in front of the wards happens to include showing him off naked, its clear those were done in the optic of serving as bait for the girls. Seriously, none of the pranks overall were all that bad, you have rather thin skin if you think its really that bad.

As for the whole Daemon thing, again he learned things, but at the start he is a one trick pony pretty much, he mastered that trick but he is short on anything else magic related, while someone like Cerys went thru a complete training, learning multiple and also mastering at least one field of magic, she was formally educated, he was entirely self-trained, now if in real life you had some great self trained survivalist and pit them again an army sergeant and see who beat the other, guess what? The sergeant will paste the self trained guy.

Maybe compared to various typical gang members and criminals he can best them, but a formal trained, even worst someone that is pretty much an elite mage like Cerys, yea he can't match her right now, he needs to get there overtime. The other problem here is the one trick he learned isn't really versatile, its a lethal move, so its not like he can go all out against Cerys since it would outright risk her life, so obviously it force him to hold back so he won't beat her by killing her up like he'd do a target.

Seriously its like none of you ever watched or read a story where the MC has to grow into being a badass rather than start straight from the start as a badass. Yea is girlfriend can beat him, so what? SHE IS AN ELITE MAGE, can't you get the message already that she is actually properly trained unlike him, yes he discovered some new interesting tricks alone in the wilds, yes he has enormous potential, yes he'll become the ultimate badass, but he needs to get there, give it more than one single fucking chapter to happen.
 
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