VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.5.0.4p] [Ceolag]

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

Well, this is my first time trying out this game and I wanted to know what the fuss is about Kaija? how did she betray Mc or what did she do?

Just play the game. There's more than just her betrayal.

 

[e6mill]

More what she DIDN'T do.

 

[Jerk-man]

fair enough which is why I say I think her character more or less comes down to





It depends entire on you and your own personality , life experiences and believes id say. I don't see it as a betrayal or anything but she does lie for reason which is also depends on you if you are willing to forgive and look past time like I can.

Just play the game. There's more than just her betrayal.

Hmm, you intrigued me! it feels like she stuck a knife in Mc's back

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

Hmm, you intrigued me! it feels like she stuck a knife in Mc's back

Kinda, but not really and it's not just her.

 

[ThorinKing]

There's two things that I absolutely hate:
1. Lying
2. Cheating

In VNs do you ever choose to lie to an LI and are you always 100% faithful? If you do choose multi-LI pathing, do you tell every LI about every other LI if offered the chance?

If you're playing a VN you otherwise enjoy, but cannot play a full monogamy path and cannot avoid lying, do you cease playing and walk away?

Just curious about how you play a VN given the near impossibility to always be fully honest and faithful as the MC in most of them.

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

In VNs do you ever choose to lie to an LI and are you always 100% faithful? If you do choose multi-LI pathing, do you tell every LI about every other LI if offered the chance?

If you're playing a VN you otherwise enjoy, but cannot play a full monogamy path and cannot avoid lying, do you cease playing and walk away?

Just curious about how you play a VN given the near impossibility to always be fully honest and faithful as the MC in most of them.

Well, if there's a forced LI and there's no choices to tell the truth, I don't. But I will always cheat on a forced LI from the get go. I hate forced LIs. If the choices are there, I tell the truth. If there's a choice to break up with a forced LI beforehand, I will. If a game is good and there's no choices to tell the truth, I don't normally drop the game, but I will cheat on a forced LI.

Edit:
With this game, I tried not to do like I normally do. Kaija is hot af. Unlike most other forced LIs.

 

[xapican]

Well, this is my first time trying out this game and I wanted to know what the fuss is about Kaija? how did she betray Mc or what did she do?

Honestly, better play the game, and see for yourself, If we tell you, you would be biased, and this is a discusion between friends, and different way's to see the events unfold, even if we say terrible things to eachother, it is all good

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

In VNs do you ever choose to lie to an LI and are you always 100% faithful? If you do choose multi-LI pathing, do you tell every LI about every other LI if offered the chance?

If you're playing a VN you otherwise enjoy, but cannot play a full monogamy path and cannot avoid lying, do you cease playing and walk away?

Just curious about how you play a VN given the near impossibility to always be fully honest and faithful as the MC in most of them.

I try to play as true to myself as possible. Obviously you can't always do that in these games. I don't play for lewds, I play for good stories, I like the format, it suits me. I find RTS games harder and harder with my health issues. The VN format suits me much better. Sadly, I walk away from a lot of VNs because some are just straight porn, boring.

Neverwhere is laid out very good. You can't have sex with Medb at this stage. With Elea and Fiona, you have to choose which one you are interested in very early post Kaija break up. So you only get to have one LI to be involved with at a time for now. So no you can't go out and be a man whore.

 

[xapican]

ThorinKing ; to be fair DS tried to make a neutral playtrough, but his personality got in the way, I'm more on Dessolos side concerning Kaija, what doesn't mean I forgave her lie, it is what it is, on the other hand, there is a childhood friendship (which seemed sincere to me) and we have been a couple only the last year or so with problems because of her job.
anyway, I gave her a chance to prove herself and that the feelings for me are true, (love path) which doesn't necessary be less hurt full, nor easy, for the MC plus his whole World image got shatered.
The other 3 LI are none the less mysterious, the only one straight forward seems to be Medb but she packs a tremendous punch within her personality.
each LI path is worth playing I hope Ceolag finds the way to fullfill the potential of this VN till now Kudos a hell of a job.

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

to be fair DS tried to make a neutral playtrough

I did? I tried to play the love path. The positive, love and loyalty path. But, you're right. I'm not a simp and my life experiences got in the way. She's a liar, the parents are liars and the Templars are xenophobic lyin deceivers.

 

[ThorinKing]

the Templars are xenophobic lyin deceivers.

In every iteration of elf I've ever seen (other than maybe OLD Disney cartoons), so are elves, as a race. Frankly, as a human (as I believe MC is), if I were forced to choose between humans and elves, I'd always choose humans. And, while genociding any race isn't something I'd do lightly, genociding my own race definitely isn't on my bingo card.

 

[xapican]

In every iteration of elf I've ever seen (other than maybe OLD Disney cartoons), so are elves, as a race. Frankly, if as a human (as I believe MC is), if I were forced to choose between humans and elves, I'd always choose humans. And, while genociding any race isn't something I'd do lightly, genociding my own race definitely isn't on my bingo card.

Its not about choosing a faction, elfs and Humans don't trust each other because of something in the past, behind all this is a secret plot unraveling and it is about power, and wealth, and there are some other races involved as well, Fiona for example is not human, and Elea beautifull Elea, has also something she doesn't say the Templars, are not all bad, there are some foul eggs within, that is true, MC s Father and Mother are also implied, and they lied shamelessly to their children, so, there is good things to come down the road.

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

In every iteration of elf I've ever seen (other than maybe OLD Disney cartoons), so are elves, as a race. Frankly, as a human (as I believe MC is), if I were forced to choose between humans and elves, I'd always choose humans. And, while genociding any race isn't something I'd do lightly, genociding my own race definitely isn't on my bingo card.

Well, I don't mind endin the tyrrany of the Templars though.

 

[Joshy92]

I just want to buy a nice house and take Kaija away from all this nonsense involving templars and elves.
All that matters is the love between me & Kaija.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

It's amusing seeing discussions of "loyalty". I've only downloaded and haven't started the VN yet, but it seems the guys playing this believe that they should receive complete trust and loyalty from any woman they show interest in, over and above any loyalty they should have to their own family, etc. This same MC is likely sleeping with any woman with a pulse and a hole, not showing any loyalty to her whatsoever.

You want loyalty, don't be a dog and put a ring on it. If you aren't willing to fully commit and be wholly faithful and wholly loyal, quitcherbitchin'. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If it weren't for double standards, I'm betting most of you would have no standards at all.

Not that type of loyalty Thorin. MC does show loyality, though you as a player can choose different path, though it's not about getting cheated on. Kaija, his girlfriend, and his parents create an imaginary world for MC to hide everything they do from him. They lied to him about almost anything, hide everything from him etc. it's almost like the Truman Show for MC. So it's not about that.

Btw, I don't agree with you. Putting a ring does not mean being loyal or vice versa. People either are loyal or not, everything else is making excuses. If you catch your significant other cheating on you and as a revenge you also cheat, you are a cheater too. Other party not being faithful does not negate the fact you are also being unfaithful.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Hmm, you intrigued me! it feels like she stuck a knife in Mc's back

I just want to buy a nice house and take Kaija away from all this nonsense involving templars and elves.
All that matters is the love between me & Kaija.

Maybe to you Joshy but I have some bad news for you, it's not the same for her. As she said, this is who she is and you have to accept it as it is. Are you not gonna grant her wish? What kind of simp are you?

 

[ThorinKing]

Not that type of loyalty Thorin. MC does show loyality, though you as a player can choose different path, though it's not about getting cheated on. Kaija, his girlfriend, and his parents create an imaginary world for MC to hide everything they do from him. They lied to him about almost anything, hide everything from him etc. it's almost like the Truman Show for MC. So it's not about that.

Btw, I don't agree with you. Putting a ring does not mean being loyal or vice versa. People either are loyal or not, everything else is making excuses. If you catch your significant other cheating on you and as a revenge you also cheat, you are a cheater too. Other party not being faithful does not negate the fact you are also being unfaithful.

The ring is a metaphor/symbol: it means making a full commitment and not straying. Period. Whether there's a ring or a piece of paper involved or not, it is the mindset - the symbol of the ring is about demonstrating the seriousness I'm suggesting that some will get and some wouldn't respect if God Himself was physically there and witnessing your giving of it.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

The ring is a metaphor/symbol: it means making a full commitment and not straying. Period. Whether there's a ring or a piece of paper involved or not, it is the mindset - the symbol of the ring is about demonstrating the seriousness I'm suggesting that some will get and some wouldn't respect if God Himself was physically there and witnessing your giving of it.

Ah, okay then. We are on the same page.

Btw, You haven't played the game yet, right? If so, try it when you have time for it. It's really good.

 

[Joshy92]

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Maybe to you Joshy but I have some bad news for you, it's not the same for her. As she said, this is who she is and you have to accept it as it is. Are you not gonna grant her wish? What kind of simp are you?

I never thought of it like that.

It's no matter though because I will always be by Kaija's side.
Giving her my support and unconditional love 24/7

 

[ThorinKing]

Ah, okay then. We are on the same page.

Btw, You haven't played the game yet, right? If so, try it when you have time for it. It's really good.

It's downloaded and ready to go, but I have two others that are ahead of it right now - one where I've almost finished the update, and another that has a single update on "chapter 1" and then about three installments into "chapter 2".