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she is hardly innocent, if she lied about her whole identity, she could be lying about a lot of other things, couldn't she?Guilty until proven innocent. How.....reasonable.
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No need to protest. It's not worth it. Plus, I don't have a problem with a woman protectin me. It's what a good woman does. She protects her man as much as a man protects her. If not more. But when such protection comes with lies and secrets bundled in, that's where the problem is.The only venom in all of this is from guys that think a woman protecting them and lying to them about it is the most evil thing a woman could do to a man. The man gets to do those things, not the woman.
You'll protest and maybe you wouldn't do it NOW with the experience of life behind you; most of these guys couldn't say that to me or anyone here and be believable.
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Yeah...sorry, but what a load of nonsense.Would you lie to someone you loved for their protection and to protect their happiness? Keep in mind: one answer will make you a hypocrite, the other a liar.
She is protecting absolutely no one with her lies/secrets, least of all the MC and she sure as hell isn't protecting the happiness of the MC with it, if anything the opposite...
Well, if one is a notorious liar, which lied about pretty much anything for years to you...Guilty until proven innocent. How.....reasonable.
So yeah, taking anything about that person with a grain of salt is reasonable.
You're still on with that misogyny nonsense, doesn't matter if it is a man or woman who lies, same treatment for both, that is also as most people i knew treat it. Never heard a friend or acquaintance in real life saying it's fine if the man does it, but condemned it if it was done by a women.The only venom in all of this is from guys that think a woman protecting them and lying to them about it is the most evil thing a woman could do to a man. The man gets to do those things, not the woman.
If the MC would be in Kajia's role i sure as hell wouldn't blame her for being pissed at the MC or breaking up with him, completely understandable. Honestly i would have cheered on her if she kicked him in the balls after she finds out about all the secrets and lies.
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I hate Kaija as much as all other reasonable people, but don't even consider she was cheating.
Not that kind of game, and while her sins are numerous and unforgivable, that one is not part of them.
Not that kind of game, and while her sins are numerous and unforgivable, that one is not part of them.
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Have proof of that do you?
Because right now, the logic and sensible money says you couldn't possibly rule it out given everything else. Doesn't matter whether or not it's 'that type of game', it doesn't need to be in the game does it now? The MC and Kaija have been together quite some time...who is to say what she may or may not have done before Game Day 01?
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yep typical double standard stuff, if a male pulled that shit he wouldn't hear the end of it, but since it's it's Kaija all should be forgiven, right?
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Your real name isn't Elduriel - you're lying about your whole identity. Have you also slept with others while you were partnered with someone else? I bet you have and if you deny it I'll never believe you.
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Your real name isn't Elduriel - you're lying about your whole identity. Have you also slept with others while you were partnered with someone else? I bet you have and if you deny it I'll never believe you.
Thats such a bullshit take sorry, its literally the superhero trope that the guy/hero keeps his identity hidden and his s.o. in the dark about it and everyone understands why its nessecary.
Hardly. He is not a child, his whole family (sister excluded) is part of same organization, and his s.o. is not actually his s.o., but someone hired to be his bodyguard while pretending to be his s.o.
In this case they are NOT protecting him, they have effectively put him in more danger by keeping their mouth shut. And Kaija...oh boy...lots of words to describe a person that sells body for money/organization, at least others are honest about it.
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I still think at the night club talk it was hinted she did it but I can't be sure.
I may have mentioned it before but I consider cheating a small misdemeanour at this point comparing to what she had done.
You can even see it if you look at how they react towards MC's parents. No one defends them religiously like they are defending Kaija. What was their fault then? Not having sexy body or not having any potential to fuck MC. Other than these, they are at the same boat as Kaija. Hypocrisy at its finest.
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Your real name isn't Elduriel - you're lying about your whole identity. Have you also slept with others while you were partnered with someone else? I bet you have and if you deny it I'll never believe you.
Is it even cheating if she was being paid/hired to sleep with MC and wasn't doing it out of honest feelings?
Though to repeat, don't think there was any anyway.
MC needs to drop that toxic person out of his life and forget she exists.
Thinking about what else she lied about can only lead to more anger/frustration/depression.
Moving on is best course of action.
Parents should get same treatment. As far away from MCs life as possible. They are INSANELY toxic and actively sabotaged his life.
Now, someone posted whole relationship was more to help Kaija, not MC. But even in that case, it fucked MC over, shows how much they care for their own child.
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Little tip for all the little naive children around here who have obviously never been in a real serious relationship before:
People who lie always do it to protect themselves, never the person they believe they are protecting with their lies.
People who lie always do it to protect themselves, never the person they believe they are protecting with their lies.
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I'd say it's not neccesary either there, if you trust your partner and family there is no good reason to keep it secret to them, superhero or not. For the public it is a other matter of course.
Also they keep their identity hidden because it would paint a huge target on their back, themselves, their loved ones and friends...
Here the MC is the one with the target on his back, because of his father/parents and them being members of the templars.
So please do tell, how exactly is keeping it secret necessary or how does it protect the MC ?
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We still don't know how that organization works inside and powerful characters can have even greater influence within the Templars who can know the reason for so many secrets and we don't know if it was an order to keep silent and hide important parts from our character until he is ready. To know the truth, it depends on what was so important for us to want or not to maintain the relationship with Kaija, the mc is likely to also start accumulating secrets because of the Templars' order to Elea for example "Anissa is waiting a baby from the MC, can you imagine her reaction?
I didnt said its nessecary or the right thing to do, i just pointed out its a stereotype (annoying) superhero trope and nobody is makeing a big deal out of it contrary to kaija's case were quite a lot of people here think shes the devil herself and never to be trusted ever again (or being literally called a whore while it was pointed out that she resisted the templars order to seduce him) but whatever.
I had this discussion here already and dont really care enough, everyone can view a character in the story the way they want, i just think it isnt true at all that with roles reversed (a guy not telling his gf of his templar being because her dad, the grandmaster, asked him not to) would be judged more harshly.
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Imo yes it would. After all she is in a relationship with the MC, even if she doesn't love him. If it would make a difference for the MC if he finds out, after he knows their entire relationship was a lie, is of course a different matter entirely.
I'm not saying she did cheat.
But she lied about anything for years, was going in a relationship with the MC and fucking him because it made it easier to do her job and as she confirms, yes duty comes first to her (not love path).
So, would it really be surprising if she would use the same duty comes first approach if she is on a mission for the templars and some hands on will get her what is needed ?
I honestly wouldn't trust a person ever again after they pult a stunt like Kajia and the parents did and likely second guess anything they say, or outright doubt it.
Amen to that.
She is LITERALLY sleeping with MC because "it made the job easier". Literally. How else should I call her?
The order was overruled by MCs dad, she didn't have to sleep with MC. She is doing it because it makes her job easier.
Let me repeat that sentence again: It makes the job easier.
That's not reading between the lines, it is what she herself said.
So yes. She is a whore.
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Here's a premise for all of the Kaija haters to consider:
Neverwhere Tales is instead written where the Kaija role is the MC role, and the Kaija character is now the oldest daughter of the Grand Master of the Templars. MC grew up with Kaija. Her family sheltered her from the Templars and the evils of Neverwhere, trying to give her a more normal life. When MC discovered and joined the order, he was eventually asked to act as a kind of guardian to her - he was already one of her closest friends, he just needed to continue being so. Given their prior relationship, and the time spent with her, he eventually fell for her romantically as well (think "The Bodyguard" movie - cue Whitney Houston version of "I Will Always Love You"). He had to keep things from her to protect and shelter her, but he did honestly love her.
Then shit hits the fan. He goes against orders to protect her when she is in actual physical danger, revealing the rest of what he is and what he's been doing all along.
She feels betrayed. She feels misled. She feels she was being treated like a child rather than being allowed to see and decide for herself. She gets angry at the MC and he tries to explain he grew to genuinely love her and only kept things hidden for her safety and because, after all those years, he was afraid to disappoint her and lose her.
If y'all were playing that version of the MC, I suspect you'd feel like she was just an ungrateful bitch that didn't understand you and your sacrifices. That she was being an unreasonable child, so fuck her. Of course, this is the tack you all are taking now, with the roles as they are. I think either way this VN was presented, you'd either hate her for being the character she is now, or hate her for being the character MC is now (you know, the ungrateful bitch). Your ego only allows you to support the side of the equation you are on: you would resent her for seeing you as a betrayer just as much as you resent her seeing her as a betrayer. And I see that as hypocritical.
Neverwhere Tales is instead written where the Kaija role is the MC role, and the Kaija character is now the oldest daughter of the Grand Master of the Templars. MC grew up with Kaija. Her family sheltered her from the Templars and the evils of Neverwhere, trying to give her a more normal life. When MC discovered and joined the order, he was eventually asked to act as a kind of guardian to her - he was already one of her closest friends, he just needed to continue being so. Given their prior relationship, and the time spent with her, he eventually fell for her romantically as well (think "The Bodyguard" movie - cue Whitney Houston version of "I Will Always Love You"). He had to keep things from her to protect and shelter her, but he did honestly love her.
Then shit hits the fan. He goes against orders to protect her when she is in actual physical danger, revealing the rest of what he is and what he's been doing all along.
She feels betrayed. She feels misled. She feels she was being treated like a child rather than being allowed to see and decide for herself. She gets angry at the MC and he tries to explain he grew to genuinely love her and only kept things hidden for her safety and because, after all those years, he was afraid to disappoint her and lose her.
If y'all were playing that version of the MC, I suspect you'd feel like she was just an ungrateful bitch that didn't understand you and your sacrifices. That she was being an unreasonable child, so fuck her. Of course, this is the tack you all are taking now, with the roles as they are. I think either way this VN was presented, you'd either hate her for being the character she is now, or hate her for being the character MC is now (you know, the ungrateful bitch). Your ego only allows you to support the side of the equation you are on: you would resent her for seeing you as a betrayer just as much as you resent her seeing her as a betrayer. And I see that as hypocritical.