VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.5.0.4p] [Ceolag]

[Tremonia]

I don't see why she had to fake a relationship with him when they were already close friends.

Maybe she didn't faked it and it was her way to give MC an easy opt out on that route, because obviously their relationship was a little bit tensed as you can see when you don't get the early relationship points. You've to act more cold towards her to get on her "it was just friendship" path. Acting cold isn't helpful in a relationship. What if she does love him but recognized her jobs hurts MC and their relationship way too much and with the truth about being a Templar on the table, she decided to sacrifice herself to give MC the opportunity to start new?

 

[Dessolos]

As far as I remember, Kaija started dating the MC because she thought it would make her job easier, on both paths. The only difference is that she developed romantic feelings for him on the love path.

Maybe my interpretation is a bit different then or I just simply forgot something been awhile and I do need to replay anyways whenever the update drops. But damn if that's the case kind of weird and pointless to fight against the order on the love path if she is going to do it anyways only to make her job easier. My interpretation always been she never did it to make her job easier on the love path but did it cause it was something she actually wanted but of course she be a fool not to use it to her advantage for her work too.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Maybe she didn't faked it and it was her way to give MC an easy opt out on that route, because obviously their relationship was a little bit tensed as you can see when you don't get the early relationship points. You've to act more cold towards her to get on her "it was just friendship" path. Acting cold isn't helpful in a relationship. What if she does love him but recognized her jobs hurts MC and their relationship way too much and with the truth about being a Templar on the table, she decided to sacrifice herself to give MC the opportunity to start new?

That's a really interesting take that I never considered and fits the dialogue I have seen. Certainly something I'm going to keep in my mind in future playthroughs. Thanks.

 

[hysepReC]

Maybe she didn't faked it and it was her way to give MC an easy opt out on that route, because obviously their relationship was a little bit tensed as you can see when you don't get the early relationship points. You've to act more cold towards her to get on her "it was just friendship" path. Acting cold isn't helpful in a relationship. What if she does love him but recognized her jobs hurts MC and their relationship way too much and with the truth about being a Templar on the table, she decided to sacrifice herself to give MC the opportunity to start new?

That's the thing, I didn't even act cold towards her. I slapped her ass and fucked her in the bathroom which lost me 2 points (I think) and then I got angry with her over the phone, which to me, seemed reasonable because she was constantly away on 'business trips' or whatever. So I ended up with 2/5 points for Kaija, putting me on her friend path.

Maybe my interpretation is a bit different then or I just simply forgot something been awhile and I do need to replay anyways whenever the update drops. But damn if that's the case kind of weird and pointless to fight against the order on the love path if she is going to do it anyways only to make her job easier. My interpretation always been she never did it to make her job easier on the love path but did it cause it was something she actually wanted but of course she be a fool not to use it to her advantage for her work too.

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I don't think this part changes on the love path but I might be wrong.

 

[Dessolos]

That's the thing, I didn't even act cold towards her. I slapped her ass and fucked her in the bathroom which lost me 2 points (I think) and then I got angry with her over the phone, which to me, seemed reasonable because she was constantly away on 'business trips' or whatever. So I ended up with 2/5 points for Kaija, putting me on her friend path.

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I don't think this part changes on the love path but I might be wrong.

haha got me to do a speed run yeah it's slightly different. I think it's up to personal interpretation on the love path since the line where she said she did it cause it made things easier isn't there.

 

[Maviarab]

She's best girl: she was willing to sacrifice her future and her happiness for MC rather than continue to honor her oath to the Templars and just let things play out.

She lied at first, but then broke her oath to protect him when shit hit the fan. Until that time, honoring her oath didn't put MC in danger and allowed him to live a life free of the pressures of being the Templar leader's son. He was blissful and at peace. Then things changed, and she placed him above her oath.

I honestly think most folks so salty about her, consciously or not, are mostly pissed that she made a decision that a man would have made under the same circumstances, but that it was the woman doing the protecting and the man being protected - it doesn't fit with the "natural order". Not saying it's outright, hard misogyny, but the "soft misogyny" that the man is the protector and must always know everything and it's a betrayal of the natural order of things if a woman makes such a decision - a decision that would seem stoic and heroic if made by the man. It's the same ingrained hindbrain kind of thing that makes a man hesitate just slightly more when it's a woman with a gun on him than when it's a man: we're wired to protect the women and children, not harm them, even if they're about to murder us or someone else. Some will screech at that assessment (I'm not like that at all!!!!!!), but I'm pretty sure the science of it is on my side.

Maybe "misogyny" is the wrong word - too strong. Chauvinism might be better.

 

[xapican]

Couldn't agree more Xapi. A character that evokes such emotion is a masterpiece of writing. She is an amazing character (even if I don't trust her yet )

But, when you say the player decides, does that mean if you say you still want to be with her, Kaija is apologetic and remorseful? Just curious what is different on that path. I could go play it myself, but I'd be interested in your opinion, before I play a Kaija path.

Sorry, but it was late over here yesterday, Yes, she is, I did a K only playtrough just a few moments ago, to be sure, on that playtrough I didn't even stare at other girls, and was pretty distant to them (Helena, Anissa, Elea, Fiona, ) Medb is in an other league, since you pick her interest anyway,
The convo in Knight Templars headquarter has another tone,

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[xapican]

As far as I remember, Kaija started dating the MC because she thought it would make her job easier, on both paths. The only difference is that she developed romantic feelings for him on the love path.

That is just the Point, Kaija has 3 Paths, not just Love / Hate, she has that one which I call Ally (Friend) depending on how much points you get with her,

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Maybe she didn't faked it and it was her way to give MC an easy opt out on that route, because obviously their relationship was a little bit tensed as you can see when you don't get the early relationship points. You've to act more cold towards her to get on her "it was just friendship" path. Acting cold isn't helpful in a relationship. What if she does love him but recognized her jobs hurts MC and their relationship way too much and with the truth about being a Templar on the table, she decided to sacrifice herself to give MC the opportunity to start new?

Nice pick up and one of the reasons I won't write her off completely. There may be a redemption arc there. At the moment, I'm on the anti-Kaija side as I don't think she is a good LI for my MC. She is a great Templar, loyal and trustworthy. As an LI, nope, I don't want her near my MC, he can't trust her to put him first.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Sorry, but it was late over here yesterday, Yes, she is, I did a K only playtrough just a few moments ago, to be sure, on that playtrough I didn't even stare at other girls, and was pretty distant to them (Helena, Anissa, Elea, Fiona, ) Medb is in an other league, since you pick her interest anyway,
The convo in Knight Templars headquarter has another tone,

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Thanks for that. That is VERY different words. I never got that far on K path before getting annoyed. Remorse, Apology, commitment.

 

[xapican]

Oh by the way any of you knows if Ceo did say anything about the in game Gallery or did he step back from that idea ?

 

[Ceolag]

Oh by the way any of you knows if Ceo did say anything about the in game Gallery or did he step back from that idea ?

still planned for Chapter 5

 

[Krytax123]

Thanks for that. That is VERY different words. I never got that far on K path before getting annoyed. Remorse, Apology, commitment.

I suspect thats the case with most Kaija haters

 

[Nothing Hello]

Does the game have sex scenes up till now or is it like a slow burn one?

 

[Dessolos]

Does the game have sex scenes up till now or is it like a slow burn one?

There is 1 quick 1 at the start of the game with Kaija and I think saw mention there was 1 or 2 others on some of the side content ive yet to playthrough but nothing else with the main girls

 

[Double0Harambe]

boys i come to you with a theory. we know linnae HAD a relationship but shit was tough because of her job and it wasn't healthy to raise a family. we never got conclusive evidence that she SAID she didn't have a child though, just that her husband left and her duty wasn't fit to raise a family.

i noticed this necklace after replaying because i had forgotten the story, i remember it was a banger but forgot alot of the details but then i realized

elea has the same necklace. what do we know about elea's family? her mom split and never bothered to look for her and her dad died. she has always believed in mythologies and likes to study them for fun. what do you think the chances are theres a relation here?

 

[e6mill]

elea has the same necklace. what do we know about elea's family? her mom split and never bothered to look for her and her dad died. she has always believed in mythologies and likes to study them for fun. what do you think the chances are theres a relation here?

Could be... but I know 3 or 4 girls with that as a tattoo. The eye of Ra isn't that unusual a symbol...

 

[ename144]

Maybe she didn't faked it and it was her way to give MC an easy opt out on that route, because obviously their relationship was a little bit tensed as you can see when you don't get the early relationship points. You've to act more cold towards her to get on her "it was just friendship" path. Acting cold isn't helpful in a relationship. What if she does love him but recognized her jobs hurts MC and their relationship way too much and with the truth about being a Templar on the table, she decided to sacrifice herself to give MC the opportunity to start new?

I don't think she did it as a deliberate sacrifice, but I generally agree. Kaija was reluctant to 'commit' to the relationship precisely because of the inability to come clean about her real job - at least on the love path. That put even more of a strain on the relationship since to the MC it appeared like she was being distant, leading to the situation we saw at the start of the game.

Maybe my interpretation is a bit different then or I just simply forgot something been awhile and I do need to replay anyways whenever the update drops. But damn if that's the case kind of weird and pointless to fight against the order on the love path if she is going to do it anyways only to make her job easier. My interpretation always been she never did it to make her job easier on the love path but did it cause it was something she actually wanted but of course she be a fool not to use it to her advantage for her work too.

The exact details of Kaija's relationship are a mess, partially because her motivations retroactively change based on our actions, and partially because the dialog was kept a little vague on the details (I suspect to facilitate the branching).

My own take is that Kaija didn't intend to get into a relationship with the MC. She intended to get closer to him by doing "friend stuff" to facilitate her role as a bodyguard, which I take to mean moving in with him and spending a lot of time together. The relationship happened accidentally, partially because the MC saw it as natural, and partially because Kaija went along with it (likely since there was no graceful way to back out without spilling the beans). On the Love path she really enjoyed spending time with the MC and eventually developed feeling for him, whereas on the other paths it was more a matter of convenience and she never felt anything beyond a basic friendship.

That's the only way I can see to square her insistence that she didn't intend to start a fake relationship with her admission that "everything but the original friendship" was an act.

boys i come to you with a theory. we know linnae HAD a relationship but shit was tough because of her job and it wasn't healthy to raise a family. we never got conclusive evidence that she SAID she didn't have a child though, just that her husband left and her duty wasn't fit to raise a family.
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i noticed this necklace after replaying because i had forgotten the story, i remember it was a banger but forgot alot of the details but then i realized
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elea has the same necklace. what do we know about elea's family? her mom split and never bothered to look for her and her dad died. she has always believed in mythologies and likes to study them for fun. what do you think the chances are theres a relation here?

Interesting idea.

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[Double0Harambe]

Could be... but I know 3 or 4 girls with that as a tattoo. The eye of Ra isn't that unusual a symbol...

the tattoo seems to be the symbol for the templar order i believe since kevin and kaija both have it on their hands but the same necklace seemed coincidental and the way that the scene in the elea's bathroom focused on that corner where the necklace was seemed to show it was important to see. i mean it could very well just be a reused asset and im jumping to deep down rabbit holes but i don't think i noticed it the first time around

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Interesting idea.

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