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In the middle path she admits that she, felt lust, In the love path, she said she enjoyed it and on the hate path, she admits she used him. no feeling no lust.
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here - I corrected the 5th one:
5. Kaija is loyal... to templars
ok, now I just imagined - she was probably silently watching TV while MC were doing her
, probably some MMA fights)))it's not the 1st time you guys mention how differ her routes, so I guess I'll get over myself and give her a try (love route) after next update and judge it from there
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AlexMpog ; Ceolag mentioned in a post somewhere, how many points with her you need to be on the different paths, only thing I can tell you is that to be on the love path, you must be totally loyal to her then you get the achievements and extra scenes of her, max points or at least 1 to max missing,
Well, in my hate path I scored 0 with her, (still wondering why I'm alive)
Well, in my hate path I scored 0 with her, (still wondering why I'm alive)
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I see, damnAlexMpog ; Ceolag mentioned in a post somewhere, how many points with her you need to be on the different paths, only thing I can tell you is that to be on the love path, you must be totally loyal to her then you get the achievements and extra scenes of her, max points or at least 1 to max missing,
Well, in my hate path I scored 0 with her, (still wondering why I'm alive)
There're few things that are a no go for me in a matter of probable LIs - when they deceive or blackmail you, it's especially horrible when the game forces you to be a nice guy and just play along with it.
That's why I actually love this game, here you can go offensive and tell templars and Kaija to eat shit instead, that was so much satisfactory, that is my canon walkthrough so far.
I don't even remember any other games that actually give you such opportunity. Usually it's smth like - "you betrayed/lied to me... but I forgive you (without any options)... they are fucking"
Well, I will definitely try her "friend path" and then we'll see.
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Oh, MC is Pissed on all paths, and does snarky coments, to templars and so on; on the Love path Kaija suports you (remeber, she was harrased by another grandmaster to be your relship, till MC s father interwined, and said it is up to her how she fullfills the task of protecting you.)
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For me the context matter more than unforgiveable actions. Really the main 2 reasons I was able to forgive her and then take a liking to her over the other girls. Was simply because from my personal point of view yeah she lied but because Neverwhere and the Templar HQ is something that is unbelievable without seeing it as she would get in serious trouble if caught. This was the main reason I was able to forgive her. Then when she comes to save our life was reason #2 but less important than reason #1 for me.
Yeah there is loyalty issues with the Templars and perhaps trust issues when it comes to a a relationship depending on your path and how you feel personally. But I honestly forgave her before any of questions of loyalty or trust came into play for me.
if I'm being 100% honest I never even thought about loyalty or trust issues until I came to this thread and was actually surprised she was hated by some because of the context I stated above didn't think many would have issue with her. But that could be because of my understanding nature I don't know. But once I came to this thread I can see why people have issues I just don't agree with them on a personal level.
Now if the Templars and Neverwhere never existed and was in another AVN. Then yeah id be on the hate Kaija train too as without that context I'd be able to see it more clearly without my understanding nature getting in the way. But I just can't let that part of me go as it's something I always think about when I think about her character. So guess that bit of context unintentionally created a bit of bias for her.
But I will say I look forward to playing her hate , friend + replaying her love path come the update.
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and you and others talked me into playing the friend and hate path haha ( tho would of done the friend one eventually cause solo path player )
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Well, as far as I am concerned - you never immerse yourself in these games, you see it more as a spectator (correct me If I am wrong), which in turn might make you see things differently and makes it easier for you to deal with such characters/situations.
I know the difference, because I switch my playing modes from time to time
.Like, for example, when I play games focused on fetishes I am not a fan of (lesbian, sharing etc...), or games without appealing story where you just fuck everything that moves and collect them all in the end, I simply watch those games as some movie, just as if I went to the cinema. Obviously I don't have any problems in this mode.
Entirely different situation when I immerse myself - I dive into this universe and let emotions whatever they are go through me, so if some characters act like jerks - it's frustrating/annoying... and vice versa.
I would assume that in real life you wouldn't be happy if someone deceived you for a very long period of time for whatever reasons, I might be wrong of course. It definitely would be a no go for me, or at least it would be legit for me to at least bitch about it and tell the person that it's a dick move and I am not ok with it...
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I really need to replay this AVN to pick up on the context of when she says this.
I could see it as her reading the MC's mood and applying accordingly.
If she loved him and he's angry at her, how would saying that she went through the motions be in her favor? It would only push him away completely, right? So, even if she's lying, can we conclude that she never did love him?
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TLDR : id say i'm in the middle of playing like a spectator and using my personal feelings about equally as I feel context is just as important as how I just generally feel towards a character. But yeah because I don't immerse myself I can't get mad when a MC should or is mad, lose trust etc etc.Well, as far as I am concerned - you never immerse yourself in these games, you see it more as a spectator (correct me If I am wrong), which in turn might make you see things differently and makes it easier for you to deal with such characters/situations.
I know the difference, because I switch my playing modes from time to time
Like, for example, when I play games focused on fetishes I am not a fan of (lesbian, sharing etc...), or games without appealing story where you just fuck everything that moves and collect them all in the end, I simply watch those games as some movie, just as if I went to the cinema. Obviously I don't have any problems in this mode.
Entirely different situation when I immerse myself - I dive into this universe and let emotions whatever they are go through me, so if some characters act like jerks - it's frustrating/annoying... and vice versa.
I would assume that in real life you wouldn't be happy if someone deceived you for a very long period of time for whatever reasons, I might be wrong of course. It definitely would be a no go for me, or at least it would be legit for me to at least bitch about it and tell the person that it's a dick move or whatever...
If you don't want to read a small wall of text on how I play / how I came to the conclusion on how I feel I put it in a spoiler. As you made me just to want to type it out even tho it's completely unnecessary but figured what hell might as well.
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Definitely not as old as me. Kaija is not much older than my youngest daughter and oldest granddaughter.
I tend to immerse myself in the game and get a bit too emotionally invested in some VNs and games. I've coped some criticism for that at times, but I make no apology. Sure I might get too immersed, and go a bit over the top at times. The thing is, I get far more enjoyment out of a game if I can immerse myself in it.
You mention Witcher 3, that is one special game.
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That's my problem too. Always get too immersed and take things said and done too personally. When MC thinks or says something I wouldn't it gets frustrating.
Definitely not as old as me. Kaija is not much older than my youngest daughter and oldest granddaughter.
I tend to immerse myself in the game and get a bit too emotionally invested in some VNs and games. I've coped some criticism for that at times, but I make no apology. Sure I might get too immersed, and go a bit over the top at times. The thing is, I get far more enjoyment out of a game if I can immerse myself in it.
You mention Witcher 3, that is one special game.
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I wish I knew how too honestly. I just never been able to I only get as far as getting invested or making a connection to LI but I wouldn't say im immersed. I typically have a gamer mentality when I play these games where I just see them as video games more or less and I make choices base on what I think it is fun or if I want to play a path / explore the options. However unlike most video games unless they are done well I don't make a connection or feel invested in a character. So there I times I can handle a really sad break up and other times I can't because of this. Funny thing too is I sometimes feel like im a emotionless Witcher in Real Life yet then are times I feel things I normally don't from AVN's or actually feel sad on the edge of wanting to cry haha.