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VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.5.0.4p] [Ceolag]

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nitkonikic

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I want to add few thoughts about the parents and sister scene.
But as for starters i must say i love the story and it's writing, love characters and so on.
But in that scene (and i prefer confrontational way) it was something off, about the sister. You could make some flashbacks in the future to change some things, but now...
Everything our sister encountered was just a lie, I don't remember anything else, any other problem or situation that could affect her life or well being. And we have the mc, whose girlfriend and love was fake, who was almost kidnapped and killed. Work and another things not so important right now.
But most of the dialogue was about "you were lying, I can't believe you"... Just partially was touched the girlfriend situation. And nothing about mc's kidnapping.
BUT... It is the mc who is thinking only about himself. And it comes from the lips of sister whose life will not change in a bit. She didn't know anything and it didn't affect her life anyhow. She knows the truth and it's still doesn't change anything for her. She were safe, she is safe. She had friends, non of them are fake...
Maybe it was written on purpose but i would love to have an option to make it clear who is the real egoist. (Because except only the fact of lying she doesn't even have any reasonable cause to be mad at their parents)
To play devils advocate,
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Ragnar

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About Finnabair
We learned that the Lady of the Lake can travel through time between worlds. So I think there is a chance to travel back to Midgard with her help to discover and stop who tries to kill Finnabair to start the war even before it happens.
 

ellen.lane

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To play devils advocate,
Agree about fucked up life and the point it is not ego speaking.
I don't even refer anything about sister, like she must take mc's side. She is younger. +Emotions. She is a woman. +Emotions.
They can just sit and talk about all of that, in the next ch when they unwind. And show their points of view. Or the dev could make it more complicated like i said, tie up the third and fourth "party" (side) and show sisters challenges.
Again, I'll repeat myself, i love writing and it is unusual. So and expectations are high. My point was "i don't wanna feel guilty or selfish" because of that. And obviously you can make (dev can) the following story this way, with guilty thoughts and actions. My point also was to make it clear in the end of the scene what is or who is truly selfish. Because in theory we may not get it in this concrete storyline.
 
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Adhdclassic

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About Finnabair
We learned that the Lady of the Lake can travel through time between worlds. So I think there is a chance to travel back to Midgard with her help to discover and stop who tries to kill Finnabair to start the war even before it happens.
I like where you went with that. That would be awesome. Need Finnabair she was a different character. smartass but cares for her friend.
 

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Of course i drop it for thst reason. Its an average story at best that just got its best charscter killed off. For example the mc could have just followed and spief upon her and it would keep her alive and it will stay within the mc his character traits
The story telling comes nowhere close to the quality of others like the deluka family, hard times, color of my sound, city of broken dreamers. They are all average so this is under average
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Adhdclassic

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I'm not a fan of time travel in stories because it can get messy but the dev has introduced it already so eh.
I agree as long as they don't go too far with it maybe a quick save or get information on who the killer is but that's it no other actions.
 

Maviarab

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About Finnabair
We learned that the Lady of the Lake can travel through time between worlds. So I think there is a chance to travel back to Midgard with her help to discover and stop who tries to kill Finnabair to start the war even before it happens.
I like where you went with that. That would be awesome. Need Finnabair she was a different character. smartass but cares for her friend.
I'm not a fan of time travel in stories because it can get messy but the dev has introduced it already so eh.
I agree as long as they don't go too far with it maybe a quick save or get information on who the killer is but that's it no other actions.
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Jeesh...not hapening people. She dead...get over it already. Also, time travel has NOT been introduced if you understand the context of that statement.
 

Kayleigh

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Alright guys....for those who prefer written to mod:

Walkthrough attached for v0-5-0

Edit: Now in OP. Thanks mods.
Great Walkthrough thx for the work you put in, but you missed something.

Chapter 3 - Templar Bar: 38. Choices are for information only

Can you explain the Templar ranks? has another set of choices and the 4. The Storming of the Bastille? has LPlinnae += 1 in the code
 
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Tremonia

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We learned that the Lady of the Lake can travel through time between worlds. So I think there is a chance to travel back to Midgard with her help to discover and stop who tries to kill Finnabair to start the war even before it happens.
That'll never gonna happen. Ceo isn't that type of dev. When he decides to let a character die, the character is gone. Besides I think you didn't understood Nimue's part. It's Medb who told us about Nimue's ability to time travel through her lake, but for all we know that's an assumptium of the Ljosálfar. And even if she could go back in time, why should she mess with the timeline? The death of Finnabair could be necessary for the greater good. Maybe it's a key point in history between humans and Ljosaálfars.
 

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Great Walkthrough thx for the work you put in, but you missed something.

Chapter 3 - Templar Bar: 38. Choices are for information only

Can you explain the Templar ranks? has another set of choices and the 4. The Storming of the Bastille? has LPlinnae += 1 in the code
Hmmm...thanks. Will look into.
 

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Exactly my thinking, and who says that were Templar after all ?
I don't think it was the Templars. My bet is on another party.
This. We only have Medb's word that it was Templars.

Does lead into a more intersting question though: What exactly was she up to/doing that day that we were not allowed to know about, that everyone else knew about but no one could/would tell us? It can't have been a simple patrol/portal guard duty (like when we first meet her)...or she would just say I'm working guard duty again.

All I know is, if it was a/the Templar(s) I'ma be going nuclear on their asses when we get back!
 
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Exactly my thinking, and who says that were Templar after all ?
I'll type it again for the sake of redundancy. The fact that we had the option to kill or spare her shows that she was expendable. While definitely important to the story, practically the driving force of chapter five, it seems she was destined to die to teach us the reader as well as the MC a valuable lesson just as much as it seems her death will also define the character setting him further along the path he was always supposed to be on. It's no different than:
Batman losing his parents
Spiderman losing Uncle Ben
Frank Castle losing his family
Eric Draven losing his gf/fiance
 
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xapican

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If we look at the greater picture and put it to a "human" time frame :
1 day : MC father is kidnapped. _ how we learn later by Alfar.
4th day : they try to abduct MC by mercenaries.
5th day: Succubus tries to kill MC
7th day: Medb is targeted in a human city in Neverwhere in an attempt to kill her
10th day: Finnabair, is killed on a mission.
Now I see a pattern, in there, all atyacks are on high ranked leaders of the party's and will trigger an emotional response.
(except the first which is made by the Alfar.) the 3rd party, feels safe and is getting bolder.
2 attacks on the human faction, 2 attacks on the Alfars, and they succeed in the last one, killing the daughter of the Álfar ambassador.
in 3 cases there are "Hellspawns" involved. seems that there is a tight time frame for the "bad guy's"
what do you think ?
 

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ugh! why is it so long until september 6th? can't wait to be able to download this safely . Looks really interresting, and just up my alley when it comes to story.
 

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By the way guys, maybe I missed something, but I couldn't find an answer, will the Steam version be the same as Chapter 5 from Patreon (horns and whistles aside, such as Steam achievements)?
 

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ugh! why is it so long until september 6th? can't wait to be able to download this safely . Looks really interresting, and just up my alley when it comes to story.
You can download it safely . But I'm with you. Even I played this game like a month ago, I can't wait to put it on my Steam library.

By the way guys, maybe I missed something, but I couldn't find an answer, will the Steam version be the same as Chapter 5 from Patreon (horns and whistles aside, such as Steam achievements)?
As far as we know: yes. The only thing you won't find there are the links to Patreon.
 
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