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VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.5.0.4p] [Ceolag]

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TrixRabbit

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Not telling him was the dumbest thing because as the son of the Grand Master he has a target on his back whether you tell him about it or not.
Yeah ... "He'll be safer if we don't tell him he's in constant danger, tell him what to watch out for or give him any kind of training." WTF kind of logic is that? "Let the children enjoy their childhood, they'll be safer if we don't tell them that they're playing in a minefield."
 

Rehwyn

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Yeah ... "He'll be safer if we don't tell him he's in constant danger, tell him what to watch out for or give him any kind of training." WTF kind of logic is that? "Let the children enjoy their childhood, they'll be safer if we don't tell them that they're playing in a minefield."
I can understand not telling the kids when they were like 4 years old. It really wouldn't affect their safety at that age whether they know or not. But I definitely agree MC's parents should have clued them in when they were old enough to handle it and actually be safer from the knowledge.

Personally, my MC is potentially willing to eventually forgive their dumb decision. People make mistakes with good intentions, so he's not yet ready to burn that bridge. But that definitely seems to be an opinion where we differ. :KEK:
 

TrixRabbit

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I can understand not telling the kids when they were like 4 years old. It really wouldn't affect their safety at that age whether they know or not. But I definitely agree MC's parents should have clued them in when they were old enough to handle it and actually be safer from the knowledge.

Personally, my MC is potentially willing to eventually forgive their dumb decision. People make mistakes with good intentions, so he's not yet ready to burn that bridge. But that definitely seems to be an opinion where we differ. :KEK:
Yeah, that bridge is burnt in every one of my saves. Ceo says we'll have a second chance to repair things so I've got a can of gasoline and some matches ready. By the time we meet Medb in Neverwhere I didn't really want MC's father back. I wouldn't have known what to ask for.

Medb: "I assume you want your father back?!"
MC: "Um ... not really ... how about a pizza party? Can we have a pizza party?"
Later - MC to templars
MC: "Well fuck you then, you can't come to my pizza party."
 

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Yeah, that bridge is burnt in every one of my saves. Ceo says we'll have a second chance to repair things so I've got a can of gasoline and some matches ready.

You f*cking tell 'em!

Lies, deceit and betrayal from those closest to you hurt the most. Absolutely unforgivable. No chance of ever going back for me either.
 
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Wolfram99

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Yeah, that bridge is burnt in every one of my saves. Ceo says we'll have a second chance to repair things so I've got a can of gasoline and some matches ready. By the time we meet Medb in Neverwhere I didn't really want MC's father back. I wouldn't have known what to ask for.

Medb: "I assume you want your father back?!"
MC: "Um ... not really ... how about a pizza party? Can we have a pizza party?"
Later - MC to templars
MC: "Well fuck you then, you can't come to my pizza party."
if you burned the bridge on the 1st meet, then there will be no 2nd meet.
2nd one will be meant for more questions which will then also have the nuke option.
 

Pixillin'

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You f*cking tell 'em!

Lies, deceit and betrayal from those closest to you hurt the most. Absolutely unforgivable. No chance of ever going back for me either.
Definitely. Also Kajia - if you don’t follow your love path, and ask if she ever loved you she says something like “there was something there, but I wouldn’t call it love”. Ceo says this is in keeping with her personality. So she’s been fucking you for … years? however long because it was part of a mission. If all of that is true, how confident are you that MC is the only one she fucked as part of a mission during that time? I’m sure it will never be directly addressed, but she does talk about hanging around brothels in the seedier parts of Neverwhere “gathering information”. I can’t say for sure that she cheated but given everything else she was dishonest about, I wouldn’t rule it out either. It’s one of the problems with being deceitful and untrustworthy … people then can’t trust you.
 

Rehwyn

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Yeah, that bridge is burnt in every one of my saves. Ceo says we'll have a second chance to repair things so I've got a can of gasoline and some matches ready. By the time we meet Medb in Neverwhere I didn't really want MC's father back. I wouldn't have known what to ask for.

Medb: "I assume you want your father back?!"
MC: "Um ... not really ... how about a pizza party? Can we have a pizza party?"
Later - MC to templars
MC: "Well fuck you then, you can't come to my pizza party."

You f*cking tell 'em!

Lies, deceit and betrayal from those closest to you hurt the most. Absolutely unforgivable. No chance of ever going back for me either.
Obviously people are free to feel differently, but motive and intent matters a lot to me. I'm much more likely to allow potential atonement and reconciliation if the motive behind a breach of trust was benevolent rather than malicious, even if the immediate result was the same. And at the core level, wanting to protect your children and give them a better life is benevolent, even if the way they tried to do it was dumb.

Selfishly, cultivating and practicing forgiveness is also associated with better mental and physical health. So even from a self-interested perspective, I'll usually give forgiveness an attempt. Keep in mind that forgiveness and reconciliation are not the same thing. Forgiveness is an internal process where you free yourself of the anger or resentment. Reconciliation is related, but different, and it's entirely possible to forgive someone but have no interest in reconciling with them.
 

TrixRabbit

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Obviously people are free to feel differently, but motive and intent matters a lot to me. I'm much more likely to allow potential atonement and reconciliation if the motive behind a breach of trust was benevolent rather than malicious, even if the immediate result was the same. And at the core level, wanting to protect your children and give them a better life is benevolent, even if the way they tried to do it was dumb.

Selfishly, cultivating and practicing forgiveness is also associated with better mental and physical health. So even from a self-interested perspective, I'll usually give forgiveness an attempt. Keep in mind that forgiveness and reconciliation are not the same thing. Forgiveness is an internal process where you free yourself of the anger or resentment. Reconciliation is related, but different, and it's entirely possible to forgive someone but have no interest in reconciling with them.
Absolutely, I'm fully capable of saying "I bear you no malice or ill will, I'm not out for revenge but our relationship has run its course and we probably won't see each other again." I have done it several times (IRL).

Edit: At least that's where I was at before someone killed Finn.
 

Rehwyn

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Absolutely, I'm fully capable of saying "I bear you no malice or ill will, I'm not out for revenge but our relationship has run its course and we probably won't see each other again." I have done it several times (IRL).

Edit: At least that's where I was at before someone killed Finn.
Yeah, my MC has mostly forgiven his parents and Kaiji for the deception and started the process of reconciliation with them.

It's... definitely going to be way more challenging for him to forgive Finn's killer (or whoever orchestrated it, if it was arranged). :ROFLMAO: Even if he lets go of the anger and doesn't seek revenge, he'd probably want at least justice.

Edit: There's still a lot of unknowns about Finn. I'm looking forward to learning more details so I can better decide how my MC should respond.
 
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The stuff of nightmares - a look across the bar to see one eye peeking out from some beautiful long red hair, approach, notice the Adams apple and :eek:

Hit the Eject Button as hard as you can.

Bullet dodged and not even a superhero... :cool:

The bar scene was definitely 'safer' when I was in college - with a Much smaller chance of true 'drinkers' remorse.'

Cheers!! :coffee:
 

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Decided to play through the game again (still got the feels after Finn :cry: - I still hope we can either avenge her or somehow save her via the lovely Nimue's time travelling lake portal).

Anyway, I got to wondering : does anyone have an inkling as to what Fiona is supposed to be? She's clearly not just a human.
 

Wolfram99

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Decided to play through the game again (still got the feels after Finn :cry: - I still hope we can either avenge her or somehow save her via the lovely Nimue's time travelling lake portal).

Anyway, I got to wondering : does anyone have an inkling as to what Fiona is supposed to be? She's clearly not just a human.
Check this thread if you want to be potentially spoiled on the background stuff
https://f95zone.to/threads/the-neverwhere-tales-lore-legends.219419/
 

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Medb: "I assume you want your father back?!"
MC: "Um ... not really ... how about a pizza party? Can we have a pizza party?"
Later - MC to templars
MC: "Well fuck you then, you can't come to my pizza party."
damn, i didnt even know pizza party was an option. no one ever tells me nothing. this stings almost as much as kaija's betrayal
 
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TrixRabbit

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damn, i didnt even know pizza party was an option. no one ever tells me nothing. this stings almost as much as kaija's betrayal
I'm picturing a lot of fast chatter among the Alfar while they try to figure out a) What a pizza party is and b) what exactly MC is up to.

Medb: You'd rather have this .... pizza party ... than get your father back?
MC: You've met him right? Keep him. He's all yours.
 

ename144

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Since Ceolag hasn't reposted his usual Dev Update here - and since the numbers are burning a hole in my pocket - hopefully he won't mind if I do it myself.
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Based on these numbers, Ceolag will go into the end of year break averaging roughly 62 statics renders, 1.7(!) animations, and 189 lines per week overall since work on Chapter 6 began. For context, that animation average has doubled compared to what it was in the previous 18 weeks. Just check out the charts:
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The surge in animations is truly staggering, to the point I'm wondering if Ceolag is reporting posed animations rather than completed animations as I had previously assume. I suppose it's fine either way as long as he's consistent with it, though it would suggest there's going to be a bit of a lag towards the end of the dev cycle when the queue needs to empty. But that's still a ways off.

Otherwise that, it seems like we're still finishing up Kaija's section, so presumably we'll see what comes next in the new year. I'm looking forward to it. Happy holidays, Ceolag!
 

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Hey everyone,

last Dev Log this year because there won't be a lot to speak about in the remaining two weeks.
Of course, every free minute will go into working on the game (as in the past 3 years...) but with Christmas and the usual family stuff around it, time will be limited.
I plan to post the next Dev Update in the first week of January.
There will be other posts before that, just not Dev Update :)
Also, no preview renders this week because it doesn't really make sense. It would be just more of the same and not a lot of static renders done anyway.

Moving on to the actual Dev Update part.
The focus this week was on posing animations and getting some coding work done (not dialogue).
Both fall into the category of "my past-me thought it was a neat idea and my present-me wants to punch my past-me for it."
The coding for it gave me a bit of a headache yesterday but it should work now. My future-me will probably want to slap my present-me when it has to deal with all the errors in the next test build. :-D
I posed enough animations to keep both PCs busy with rendering animations (and my house warm...) through Christmas.

Due to that, writing (dialogue) and static renders only progressed a little bit this week.

The available time for the next two weeks will be spent on wrapping up the last animations and static renders for the current scene so I can hopefully move on to the next scene with the start of the new year.

The numbers for this week:
24 new static renders for a total of 1176
19 new animations for a total of 33
150 new lines in the script file for a total of 3593

That's it for the Dev Update for this week.

To those who only read Dev Logs and not the other posts:
- how dare you?
- have a Merry Christmas with your loved ones

Cheers,
Ceo
 

MikesDK

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How can the sister not be a LI in this one, i mean whats up with the "oh lets show the players this hot nude girl in the showers" and not make her a LI...really? dev having a good laugh making that? lol
I dont really care about incest in games or not but dont go showing her off nude if theres 0 plans for her to ever do anything with MC, not nice :p
 
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