VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.5.0.4p] [Ceolag]

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Maviarab

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Another thing with Medb also for me...her/the Elves really don't seem overly concerned about the Templars at all...so, what exactly do the Templars do that's soooooo important to keep them going? They seem all in all, a pretty weak outfit/organisation bu all accounts from what we (as the MC) learn. it really doesn't sound like they'd be much of a loss.

So why does Medb/the Elves want them gone if according to her/them...they are pretty irelevent anyway?
 
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I don't know about that. But to me, the Templars are the bad guys. Maybe that's due to all the AC games I've played. :ROFLMAO:
Weirdly, I never disliked Templars in AC games. I really did not like some of them, but never seen the Order as the bad guys. They chose different path and they fought for it, even though I did not agree I find it honorable. I disliked Al Mualim more than almost any other Templars.

Same goes for here, if there was not any betrayal I would not hate Templars or Kaija. I am putting MC's father, mother, high command of Templars and Kaija in the same pot and I genuinely hope a path they'll suffer the consequences.
 

Old Grumpy Wolf

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Another thing with Medb also for me...her/the Elves really don't seem overly concerned about the Templars at all...so, what exactly do the Templars do that's soooooo important to keep them going? They seem all in all, a pretty weak outfit/organisation bu all accounts from what we (as the MC) learn. it really doesn't sound like they'd be much of a loss.

So why does Medb/the Elves want them gone if according to her/them...they are pretty irelevent anyway?
They're vermin. They cause havoc everywhere they go and think they're better than all other races. Sound familiar? (BoS in Fallout.)

Weirdly, I never disliked Templars in AC games. I really did not like some of them, but never seen the Order as the bad guys. They chose different path and they fought for it, even though I did not agree I find it honorable. I disliked Al Mualim more than almost any other Templars.

Same goes for here, if there was not any betrayal I would not hate Templars or Kaija. I am putting MC's father, mother, high command of Templars and Kaija in the same pot and I genuinely hope a path they'll suffer the consequences.
Really? Hmm.. So murdering and torturing innocents that get in their way is honorable?
 
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Really? Hmm.. So murdering and torturing innocents that get in their way is honorable?
Who does not in AC Universe? Also most of the time AC protagonists are not going after any Templar, they are going after corrupt Templars who does bad things. Having a Creed, Order, Path is an honorable thing IMO. Think the first game, Altair hunts down Templars then it turns out his mentor was behind it, so he hunts him down too. Regardless of being part of Assassins. That path is always there. Was François de la Serre a bad person? What about Haytham Edward Kenway?
 
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Ceolag

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Hello everyone,

time for the usual update.
This one will come with some good (at least I hope so) and bad news.

I'll start with the bad one: No lewd scene in Chapter 4.
The reason lies in my decision to split the original Chapter 3 into 3 and 4.
I had no lewd content planned for the 2nd half of the chapter because of what happens story-wise.
I thought about a lewd scene throughout the development of Chapter 4 but I couldn't find a spot for it that doesn't involve "porn logic" to make it happen.
While I'm now starting to work on the chapter finale it's safe to say there won't be lewd content in Chapter 4.
For the same reason (the split of Chapter 3) I had no scenes with Elea/Fiona planned but I was able to find a way to include them and make sense of them (again, at least I hope so :p).
A lewd scene would still be there just for the sake of it without making too much sense.

I know that some people won't like it so I made sure to come up with it as soon as I decided to not have a lewd scene.

Chapter 5 will have lewd scenes again. At least 2 of them are already planned and I'm thinking about a 3rd one.

The better news: I already mentioned it, Fiona's scene is done, and I started work on the finale.
That means the release isn't too far away anymore. My best guess is something around 6 weeks from now. Maybe less, depending on how fast the progress on the finale is (with Christmas coming up).

The numbers for this week:
109 static renders for a total of 1250
~270 lines in the script file for a total of 3668

Additionally, I created my first trailer for the game this week (see above).

2 preview renders for this week:
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Have a nice weekend.

Cheers,
Ceolag
 

ename144

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Another thing with Medb also for me...her/the Elves really don't seem overly concerned about the Templars at all...so, what exactly do the Templars do that's soooooo important to keep them going? They seem all in all, a pretty weak outfit/organisation bu all accounts from what we (as the MC) learn. it really doesn't sound like they'd be much of a loss.

So why does Medb/the Elves want them gone if according to her/them...they are pretty irelevent anyway?
I take that as an indication that Medb's dismissive attitude towards the Templars is largely performative. The Templars may or may not be a major player in the current political landscape of our world, but they must be doing something that cramps the elves' style. I don't think they oppose the elves specifically (or else they'd already be in an active war rather than the current standoff), but they've clearly anticipated crossing swords at some point.

Honestly, I wish the MC would stop bitching about how his parents kept him in the dark and started fashioning a proper light source. It would be nice to figure out the lay of the land before the next shoe drops.





Hello everyone,

time for the usual update.
This one will come with some good (at least I hope so) and bad news.

I'll start with the bad one: No lewd scene in Chapter 4.
The reason lies in my decision to split the original Chapter 3 into 3 and 4.
I had no lewd content planned for the 2nd half of the chapter because of what happens story-wise.
I thought about a lewd scene throughout the development of Chapter 4 but I couldn't find a spot for it that doesn't involve "porn logic" to make it happen.
While I'm now starting to work on the chapter finale it's safe to say there won't be lewd content in Chapter 4.
For the same reason (the split of Chapter 3) I had no scenes with Elea/Fiona planned but I was able to find a way to include them and make sense of them (again, at least I hope so :p).
A lewd scene would still be there just for the sake of it without making too much sense.

I know that some people won't like it so I made sure to come up with it as soon as I decided to not have a lewd scene.

Chapter 5 will have lewd scenes again. At least 2 of them are already planned and I'm thinking about a 3rd one.

The better news: I already mentioned it, Fiona's scene is done, and I started work on the finale.
That means the release isn't too far away anymore. My best guess is something around 6 weeks from now. Maybe less, depending on how fast the progress on the finale is (with Christmas coming up).

The numbers for this week:
109 static renders for a total of 1250
~270 lines in the script file for a total of 3668

Additionally, I created my first trailer for the game this week (see above).

2 preview renders for this week:
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View attachment 3037944

Have a nice weekend.

Cheers,
Ceolag
Eh, I'll happily trade gratuitous lewd scenes for proper pacing and rational story telling. :)
 
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xapican

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Hi great game can't really wait to continue the adventure !
I don't know why I get some Deja-vu vibes Here :unsure: :unsure:
 
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Ceolag

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Hey everyone,

This week has been really busy with real-life stuff. And it'll continue through the upcoming weekend (the reason why this update is 'early').
I try to squeeze in work on TNT as much as possible but being away several days from home and the PC surely takes its toll.
It won't affect my plan for the release of Chapter 4, though. It "just" means that the numbers this week and next week will be lower than previous weeks.
And since that's not enough, I updated DAZ to version 4.22 on Wednesday.
Those who are even remotely familiar with the software will facepalm at this point, and rightfully so. ;-)
For those who are not: DAZ seems to always mess up their releases. They always break shit and take months to fix the new version.
I let myself be tempted by the faster asset loading, fewer loading errors, and some nice changes to lighting, and updated my version. Usually, I avoid that like the plague.
While all the points are true, the problem was that the new version wouldn't render the scene I was working on anymore. DAZ just crashed there. Downgrading to the older version? Not intended by DAZ. You can't get older versions from them.
Luckily a friend hopped in who still had the 4.21 installer and sent it to me.
So it just took me several hours in an already busy week to fix the damn software.
Lesson learned (again)!

Enough of the rant and whining, there was still some progress this week.
Given the circumstances, it's even better than I expected. I finished a part of the finale I was looking forward to for a while now because it shows a pretty important part of Jessica's personality.

On another note: I got the first pieces of commissioned music for The Neverwhere Tales.
You may have already heard one of them, it's the music I used for the trailer.
Those pieces cost me roughly double the money I made through Patreon since I started.

In other words: Every single Cent you supported here went directly back into the game.
Without you guys that wouldn't have been possible, so a huge THANK YOU from my side.

To finish this long-ass Dev Log, the numbers for this week:
70 more static renders for a total of 1320
~200 more lines in the script file for a total of 3854

Have a nice weekend, guys, I'll "enjoy" my weekend spending hours on the highways and a family celebration...

Cheers,
Ceolag
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Joshy92

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This is such a great game

I really care about Kaija
And one of the reasons why is because of how well she is written

I want to protect her and make her happy
She deserves it
 

xapican

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Why I'm not surprised running into you both over here?? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
Naahh Joshy only does "romantic lewd things" he is not a normal perv.....:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

nitkonikic

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This is such a great game

I really care about Kaija
And one of the reasons why is because of how well she is written

I want to protect her and make her happy
She deserves it
It's an odd day, so I'll just say you're wrong and she deserves to be left alone forever while other, lovely women with pure hearts get all the love.
Why spend time on liars when true love waits just around the corner?
The only dilemma is: Amazing woman with great taste in cars, or amazing woman with a doggo?
 

Ceolag

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Hey everyone,

As some Resident Steam Hunter already found out, my store page on Steam got approved.
The plan was to announce that after my proofreader had a chance to check the store page, but alas... :ROFLMAO:

TLDR version first:
My store page on Steam got approved yesterday and I'm planning to release The Neverwhere Tales on Steam when Chapter 5 (yes 5, not 4) is done.
The link to the store page:
If you want to help with the Steam release you can wishlist the game there.
Every wishlist helps and it doesn't mean you actually intend to buy it there. It just helps the game gain visibility on Steam.
It's a way to support the game with just a few clicks and nothing more.
Thanks to everyone in advance!

Long-ass version:
When I started working on TNT I intended to do this as a hobby and give everything away for free.
I treated it as a fun way to get into 3D arts and educate myself in Python (the programming language behind Ren'Py).
It's one of the reasons why I didn't even have a Patreon page when I released Chapter 1.
Working on the game was never a way to make money or a potential new full-time job for me. And it's still not.
But I reached a point where I must make some decisions for the future.
Releasing it on Steam (or not) was one of those decisions.
I can tell you all the things about expanding my reach with the game, getting more players and feedback, and all these romantic things. While they're still true, let's face it the main reason is money.
At this point, I've invested something between 15000 and 20000 € into this game in the past two years. I don't have an exact number because I didn't count it up for my own sanity.
That number doesn't even include electricity bills or my own work time.
Continuing this way is not an option because the financial impact on my family is just too big.
So I can either cut down the expenses (drastically) or try to find other ways to fund the game.
Before limiting myself at the cost of my vision for the game, I'll give Steam a try.
My hope is that I can cover the future costs of this story and potentially other stories this way.

Releasing on Steam comes with a few side effects. I'm sure, quite a lot of you guys know the drill already so this is for those who aren't aware.
When you release something on Steam, you can't undercut it on other "stores". That includes giving away free versions. It essentially means I need to paywall the game in the future. It's not something I intended to do when I started and it still feels kinda wrong but it's either that or no Steam.

I haven't decided on a release price but when I do I'll edit the 10$ tier (Chaplain) to match the Steam price. That'll be the lowest tier that has access to the game right away.
Every patron who has an accumulated pledge that at least matches the Steam price can get a Steam key for free. It won't matter what tier you're in as long as your lifetime pledge is the same or higher than the price on Steam.

The planned release for Steam (and Chapter 5) is mid-2024. More on that when the time has come.

I guess that's it for now (and I hope I haven't forgotten anything important).

Cheers,
Ceolag

P.S. Elea's getting ready for the steam...
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