Personally, I'm a forgiving type and Kaija's forced deception is not even in the top 70% of egregious femme fatale betrayals in AVN history. So... I'm cool with her.
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I don't think Kaija is sexy!
I also lie a lot!
I also lie a lot!
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I'm playing the love Kaija path as well as the mad at her path. I don't see her as an antagonist, I just don't like people I can't trust and don't want them around me. Kaija is in that category for most of my play throughs. Sure the Templars can trust her, but my character can't.Personally, I'm a forgiving type and Kaija's forced deception is not even in the top 70% of egregious femme fatale betrayals in AVN history. So... I'm cool with her.
There is no real antagonist in this story yet, just people with their own agendas which will always cause drama and problems. Ceolag is pretty good at that.
I tend to be the same - a gut-feeling playthrough to start, followed by separate playthroughs for various LIs. Since it's just an AVN, I like to give LIs a chance unless they are a Vulvamort-level (Artimus) of perfidious/duplicitous.
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funny thing the worst a LI is as a person the more it makes me want to do 1 save with them just to see how badly the MC gets fucked over granted that is my last save I do
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Vulvamort is in a class of her own.Sometimes playing someone you don't like much can turn around like Steph from Leap of Faith. A friend convinced me to try her path once and my opinion of her completely changed. In Kaija's case not so. Even on the love her path, it just makes it worse, how do you deceive someone you are suppose to love like that, so it didn't work for Kaija, but you don't know these things until you try. Its not all on Kaija though, I'm hoping the MC gets to kick some parental ass as well. Don't get me started on families who keep secrets.
'funny you should mention Steph from LOF. I see many parallels between Kaija and her. In fact, their character arcs are extremely similar. It took quite a while in LOF before Steph's character became redeemable. I suspect something similar will happen with Kaija...
Sometimes playing someone you don't like much can turn around like Steph from Leap of Faith. A friend convinced me to try her path once and my opinion of her completely changed. In Kaija's case not so. Even on the love her path, it just makes it worse, how do you deceive someone you are suppose to love like that, so it didn't work for Kaija, but you don't know these things until you try. Its not all on Kaija though, I'm hoping the MC gets to kick some parental ass as well. Don't get me started on families who keep secrets.
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There are some similarities for sure. The thing is in LOF the MCs parents weren't running the show and Kaija was a lifelong close friend where Steph had no prior loyalty to the MC, the exact opposite, the MC was her mark. Steph was extremely conflicted, Kaija by her own admission took the easy path. So the differences are important ones IMO.
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There were also some details from Steph's story that the dev retconned (actually went back and changed the dialogue/event) to make her more palatable to the player base. Not that I'm saying the dev should do the same here.
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Bugger I missed that early version of LOF.
I don't think Ceolag needs to change anything here. I'm sure there will be some pro-Kaija events ahead after the elves. Besides plenty like her, I don't hate her. From a Templar point of view she is loyal and trustworthy. I just have some trust issues with her from my MCs point of view and since I'm a grumpy old bugger I want her to suffer some ramifications for her actions toward my character.
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Just thinking about why I don't have a issue with Kaija's lie almost makes no sense because I really should have an issue with it after putting some thought into it. But this is how I justify not having an issue with her personally.
I think part of the reason I have no issue with Kaija's lie is because I blame it mostly on the parents. If I recall correctly they got her to lie from a young age, so I can see why after lying for so many years it became harder and harder. Tho I do think she should of kept us in the friend zone until she was ready to tell her the truth or at the very least part of the truth as I could understand keeping a secret society secret. That's what I blame her for and did have an issue with at first as being our girlfriend makes it so much worst.
I just felt she was sincere with how sorry she was and for me it didn't feel like a bad lie that would hurt us if she was never our girlfriend to begin with and we questioned if really loved us. So I think if I didn't feel like she was sincere and perhaps I had a different personality in real life I would not of been able to forgive her. There was also the fact that I didn't feel like I got to know the other LI well enough just yet personally to the point that made an impression on me is another factor that comes into play why Kaija is my current favorite.
I can see Fiona being my favorite once we learn more about her. Fiona seems the most interesting so far to me and I feel like she's the only other LI I felt like we started to learn a lot about. While with Elea we started to learn more about her just not enough yet for me personally. I do get the feeling the next update with her we will get to know her alot better. Tho perhaps I forget something about her which is why I feel like that sometimes my memory sucks when moving onto to the next AVN, especially when the LI wasn't my first choice.
I think part of the reason I have no issue with Kaija's lie is because I blame it mostly on the parents. If I recall correctly they got her to lie from a young age, so I can see why after lying for so many years it became harder and harder. Tho I do think she should of kept us in the friend zone until she was ready to tell her the truth or at the very least part of the truth as I could understand keeping a secret society secret. That's what I blame her for and did have an issue with at first as being our girlfriend makes it so much worst.
I just felt she was sincere with how sorry she was and for me it didn't feel like a bad lie that would hurt us if she was never our girlfriend to begin with and we questioned if really loved us. So I think if I didn't feel like she was sincere and perhaps I had a different personality in real life I would not of been able to forgive her. There was also the fact that I didn't feel like I got to know the other LI well enough just yet personally to the point that made an impression on me is another factor that comes into play why Kaija is my current favorite.
I can see Fiona being my favorite once we learn more about her. Fiona seems the most interesting so far to me and I feel like she's the only other LI I felt like we started to learn a lot about. While with Elea we started to learn more about her just not enough yet for me personally. I do get the feeling the next update with her we will get to know her alot better. Tho perhaps I forget something about her which is why I feel like that sometimes my memory sucks when moving onto to the next AVN, especially when the LI wasn't my first choice.
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Yup and while the new extra scenes as kid helps in both ways...ultimately she still tells (regardless of path) that she 'officially' became a templar when she turned 18, but that she had been training for many years before that. In my mind, the parents knew then and as I reiterate here often, she was trained from a young age to be close to the MC as they were friends as young kids.
Again, this all depends on the path you take with her, though even on the love path, it takes her time to realise what she has done and to actually try and put you first ahead of duty. Any other path, she makes it clear duty and oaths will always matter more.
Yup, two best for me too (though in many saves I don't accept Fiona's bullshit if keeping secrets from us (given she knows we have trust issues and have been open and honest with her, shame we don't get the same treatment back). Elea, best for me...interesting character and a mythological and lore & Legend expert, probably more than the templars themselves (as even if they do have certain knowledge of certain things), getting anyone to actually tell us (especially the asshole) is another matter entirely.
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Honestly all the girls seem a bit sneaky to me.
I guess I'll just have to use my manly charms to persuade them to be honest with me.
I guess I'll just have to use my manly charms to persuade them to be honest with me.
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Dare I even ask? In fact...no...don't tell me, I don't want to know lol.
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It's too late you already opened the door bro.
I'm going to use my tongue & penis to pleasure them.
Then they will be honest with me.
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Sounds like you are making excuses to forgive her. MC's dad is an asshole for what he did, his mother too but the game was absolutely clear about that they did not force Kaija for anything. They tasked her to protect MC and that was it, how she was going to do was up to her.
If you are talking about keeping the order secret, it's not a lie from her part. She does not need to tell anything to MC if they were just friends. She chose to be that close, she chose to lie. Iirc, even their friendship was fading when they started to grow up. MC mentioned she was not the same person as before and he only catch glimpses of her old self time to time in her eyes.
IMO that sounded like they were not even going to stay as a friend, if she was not tied to MC by her task. Love path or not, she used MC's feeling. First their friendship, then the love. Now, this will be my speculation but I think she chose that path because she noticed they were not going to stay close friend much longer, so she jumped into relationship.
I measure sincerity of an apology through how willing they are not to repeat same mistake. Not gonna talk about evil bitch path since she is not even apologetic in that path but I am thinking she would do all of it, all over again if she ordered by Templars. Why do I think like that? Try to make her stay out of the fight when they stumbled into Elven Hellspawn skirmish, you'll see. So I really don't think she is sincere. Also not knowing other LIs is really not related to Kaija being redeemable or not.
You are right though, these stuff depends on personality and how gullible you are or how big your heart is.
I do agree being Fiona is the most interesting. Though, with last update Medb climbed the top for me. Especially when queen mentioned Medb's soft spot for humans. AFAIK, next update will be elven one so unfortunately we are not gonna see Fiona or Elea. Luckily no Kaija too.
Jokes aside I think, at least for me, the most crucial deciding point for Kaija will be the revelation of what happened to her parents and her grandparents. Whatever happened effected her deeply and changed her. I think she is justifying everything she does by that scar whatever it is. Also, Kaija path being your favourite and Kaija being your favourite is very different things. I will always keep a save for her because she is crucially important to story and enjoying her path is a given, if you enjoy this game but forgiving such a person then putting her above all others is weird at best at this point.
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fair points I probably am making up excuses to a small degree, since as you know im a very forgiving person. So having a personality like that it probably is easier to justify / make excuses for someone you want to like. Especially after putting some thought into it I really should dislike her as a LI. You may be right that perhaps she is just sorry she lied to us but not sorry for doing it only time will tell. Maybe when I play the no love and unsure path for for her my opinion will change. I just kinda of felt like sharing how I felt about her currently been thinking about her character on and off since I played the game.Sounds like you are making excuses to forgive her. MC's dad is an asshole for what he did, his mother too but the game was absolutely clear about that they did not force Kaija for anything. They tasked her to protect MC and that was it, how she was going to do was up to her.
If you are talking about keeping the order secret, it's not a lie from her part. She does not need to tell anything to MC if they were just friends. She chose to be that close, she chose to lie. Iirc, even their friendship was fading when they started to grow up. MC mentioned she was not the same person as before and he only catch glimpses of her old self time to time in her eyes.
IMO that sounded like they were not even going to stay as a friend, if she was not tied to MC by her task. Love path or not, she used MC's feeling. First their friendship, then the love. Now, this will be my speculation but I think she chose that path because she noticed they were not going to stay close friend much longer, so she jumped into relationship.
I measure sincerity of an apology through how willing they are not to repeat same mistake. Not gonna talk about evil bitch path since she is not even apologetic in that path but I am thinking she would do all of it, all over again if she ordered by Templars. Why do I think like that? Try to make her stay out of the fight when they stumbled into Elven Hellspawn skirmish, you'll see. So I really don't think she is sincere. Also not knowing other LIs is really not related to Kaija being redeemable or not.
You are right though, these stuff depends on personality and how gullible you are or how big your heart is.
I do agree being Fiona is the most interesting. Though, with last update Medb climbed the top for me. Especially when queen mentioned Medb's soft spot for humans. AFAIK, next update will be elven one so unfortunately we are not gonna see Fiona or Elea. Luckily no Kaija too.