VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

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Kaija is an atypical character, in the love path she refuses to pretend to be the MC's girlfriend, she becomes the MC's girlfriend over time.
So you want sloppy second after the Templars, not gonna kink shame you. ;)
Let me channel my inner Joshy:
Kaija is clearly a virgin, she only stayed pure for me XD
Ok! I'm sorry I'm not prepared enough
 
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Kaija is an atypical character, in the love path she refuses to pretend to be the MC's girlfriend, she becomes the MC's girlfriend over time.
She still uses MC's friendship though, all the same if you ask me.

Let me channel my inner Joshy:
Kaija is clearly a virgin, she only stayed pure for me XD
Ok! I'm sorry I'm not prepared enough
He does not care that. He is also okay with his LI got railed by a whole team.

there completed the sentence....;)
Yeah, she is the benchmark for it.

there now it is correct....
That is weird. I always thought the second in sloppy seconds is ranking, not time reference. First someone else is there, second you. :unsure:
 

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I don't know Steph reveals that her investigations were already concluded after 3 weeks, for Kaija the danger that the MC will be kidnapped or used to reach the Templars has no end
Yeah, the reason she prolongt the investigation was because she fell in love and so the whole bs started and iirc the reason she was gone for 2 years was that some new pics or something about the MC showed up and she wanted him to be safe.

If anything the MC would be safer if he knew, could train himself to be prepared etc. She keeps lying because orders, which is little more than a convenient excuse.
She had no problems to ignore a direct order in neverwhere when she wanted to fight hellspawn, even if it directly endangered the MC is life. There's also the point she was his best friend.

Kaija is an atypical character, in the love path she refuses to pretend to be the MC's girlfriend, she becomes the MC's girlfriend over time.
She refuses that order on both paths, she also does it out of her own violation later on because it made things easier, only difference is on the love path she fell in love, after the relationship started, on the other path not.
 

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She refuses that order on both paths, she also does it out of her own violation later on because it made things easier, only difference is on the love path she fell in love, after the relationship started, on the other path not.
Maybe im wrong but I swore some on this thread once said she doesn't refuse the order on her hate path. Only on her love path and unsure one but on the unsure / neutral one she loses
 

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She refuses that order on both paths, she also does it out of her own violation later on because it made things easier, only difference is on the love path she fell in love, after the relationship started, on the other path not.
It's specified twice in the love path that she naturally became Mc's girlfriend while they spent time together to protect him, and disobeys orders to save him. In the other paths she pretends to be his girlfriend and is ordered by the MC's mother to go and save him
 
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Maybe im wrong but I swore some on this thread once said she doesn't refuse the order on her hate path. Only on her love path and unsure one but on the unsure / neutral one she loses
No she refuses, at least she did in my run where i had 0 points with her.
It's specified twice in the love path that she naturally became Mc's girlfriend while they spent time together to protect him, and disobeys orders to save him. In the other paths she pretends to be his girlfriend and is ordered by the MC's mother to go and save him
Yes she fell in love with time, but even on her love path she answers on the MC's question of how much was a show, 'at the beging pretty much everything beside the friendship later on nothing'. Which translates to me, she wasn't in love as they started their relationship.

I mean't the scene with the elves, where she also disobeys orders...
 

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Yes she fell in love with time, but even on her love path she answers on the MC's question of how much was a show, 'at the beging pretty much everything beside the friendship later on nothing'. Which translates to me, she wasn't in love as they started their relationship.
Yeah, that doesn't sound great...
I mean't the scene with the elves, where she also disobeys orders...
I remember that in that situation I insisted on intervening, like with the beaten guy
 

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So...did you just watch that unholly scene together with Joshy or did you also have a go ?
It's ok you can tell us, we all have done things we aren't proud of when we were on drugs or shitfaced, we won't judge you too harshly (maybe, depending on what you did with Kaija) :whistle:
Joshy92 told me. He said he held her hand while Grumpy Old Aussie banged her brains out. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Btw, I am not sure anyone noticed that but she did not refuse an order. She refused that MC and her having something more than friendship. There was no order at that point, only a supervisor probing in. Then she ended up in front of council or whatever they call it, they wanted her to be closer to MC and then Grand Master intervened.

People here, thinking she did refuse the order but she only refused to answer questions. If Grand Master was not involved, we don't know she would have refused the order, as a fact. If we take her recent pattern as a guide, I think she would have accepted it.
 

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Just you guys wait until Kaija offers me a threesome with Nightingale (Which I'll politely decline of course)
Then you will all be jelly.
 
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Just you guys wait until Kaija offers me a threesome with Nightingale (Which I'll politely decline of course)
Then you will all be jelly.
I already played with Nightingale. In fact, she's bit slow on the load and there's a bit of lag, but all in all, she's a great play.
 
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Btw, I am not sure anyone noticed that but she did not refuse an order. She refused that MC and her having something more than friendship. There was no order at that point, only a supervisor probing in. Then she ended up in front of council or whatever they call it, they wanted her to be closer to MC and then Grand Master intervened.

People here, thinking she did refuse the order but she only refused to answer questions. If Grand Master was not involved, we don't know she would have refused the order, as a fact. If we take her recent pattern as a guide, I think she would have accepted it.
This makes me want to replay the path now I believe you. Just I swore she said the way she went about it if the Grand Master didn't intervene she said she risked losing everything, which is what made me believe it was a bit more to it than a supervisor probing in . But next time I do replay it I will be taking notes haha
 

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No she refuses, at least she did in my run where i had 0 points with her.

Yes she fell in love with time, but even on her love path she answers on the MC's question of how much was a show, 'at the beging pretty much everything beside the friendship later on nothing'. Which translates to me, she wasn't in love as they started their relationship.
Not necessarily. I've discussed this before, but note that Kaija is very insistent that she didn't pretend to like the MC even as she says everything but their friendship started as a lie. If you look at the code Maviarab posted, Kaija says her initial plan was just to do "friend stuff," regardless of which path she's on. She also specifies that the original friendship was authentic, an interesting qualifier since the discussion was about their more-than-friends relationship.

To me, that implies that Kaija deliberately and artificially amped up her friendship with the MC in response to the Templars' orders, but she intended to to keep things platonic. On all her paths things escalated to a sexual relationship despite her intent, but how she responded to that varies by path. If her points are low, she decided this made her life easier and embraced the lie. On her love path, she was sincere in her feelings but didn't know how to solidify the new relationship without spilling all the beans.

In other words, her "Pretty much everything except the original friendship" line is very misleading because while she uses those words in both paths, on one path it refers to *everything* following the childhood friendship (including the romantic relationship), but on the other it refers only to a narrowly defined period where she hung out with the MC more than she had previously.

It's extremely confusing, and there's a non-zero chance some of this is an unintended consequence of Ceolag not branching her dialog enough in the early chapters, but that seems to be the best way to read what we actually got.


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Btw, I am not sure anyone noticed that but she did not refuse an order. She refused that MC and her having something more than friendship. There was no order at that point, only a supervisor probing in. Then she ended up in front of council or whatever they call it, they wanted her to be closer to MC and then Grand Master intervened.

People here, thinking she did refuse the order but she only refused to answer questions. If Grand Master was not involved, we don't know she would have refused the order, as a fact. If we take her recent pattern as a guide, I think she would have accepted it.
Again, even to the extent that's true, it's very misleading. Kaija says explicitly that "[The leadership] tried to force me to get closer to [the MC]." How do you think they tried to force that? Physically dragging her around? It can't just be a case of the council debating amongst itself before the Grand Master made a decision, or else Kaija wouldn't know about it.

The clear implication is that someone in "the leadership" gave Kaija an order, she protested it, and eventually it was adjudicated by the MC's father. We can get pedantic about precisely what constitutes an order and whether or not Kaija refused it rather than, say, sought clarification, but I think the difference is rather minor. Kaija went against the wishes of one or more of her superiors when she thought they were doing something wrong, so there are clearly limits to her loyalty.
 
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TLDR: in one path she fell in Love with MC on the other she don't and enjoyed sex with no attached feelings,
she cares about him, as a friend and Lover, and on the other only as a friend.
Yeah she totally deserved to be burnt by great Inquisitor........how could she not be in love with him, since MC is looking for solance in the arms of other girls, as he face relship issues.
Sorry this whole Kaija discusion is turning a bit sterile if you ask me it moves in circles,
By the way, in that Dialoge posted by Mav there is a hint about it
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Why have her Babysit the MC ? and for what get in to a fight with your superior if you don't care about the friendship ?
 
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