Live Long and Prosper in our hearts Finnabair.
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We should ask Kari. She's one of the Valkyrie and should know when some dead Álfar are around Odin's table or at Freya's army.
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I only just yesterday noticed that this game had been updated, as I was reading comments here about a character I had never heard of. So the ending of the update was spoiled for me, but I enjoyed it anyways. I'm not mad about the spoilers, as it's been a month since the update, so some spoilers are to be expected at this point.
The fact that the developers gave us a choice that would skip about 95% of the new content is really impressive. I've read a lot of comments from different developers who refuse to do that in their games because they're afraid people would complain about short updates or whatever. I went back and took the short route after my first play to see what would actually happen, and now I'm tempted to keep a separate save to see how that choice would affect the future routes. The short route had a conversation with a character who otherwise wouldn't speak with you, and the whole thing was well done. The branching choice itself seemed reasonable at the time, so it definitely should exist even though one route is clearly the intended (and better) path.
The fact that the developers gave us a choice that would skip about 95% of the new content is really impressive. I've read a lot of comments from different developers who refuse to do that in their games because they're afraid people would complain about short updates or whatever. I went back and took the short route after my first play to see what would actually happen, and now I'm tempted to keep a separate save to see how that choice would affect the future routes. The short route had a conversation with a character who otherwise wouldn't speak with you, and the whole thing was well done. The branching choice itself seemed reasonable at the time, so it definitely should exist even though one route is clearly the intended (and better) path.
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Kill her themselves?
Stand by while someone else kills her, not giving a shit?
They've already stated people that find out about Neverwhere are often killed by other agencies, and Templars don't care one bit about that, even if it's innocents.
That in mind, if Ceolag gives an option, I'm telling Elea everything, every last thing (well, almost everything. She doesn't need to know details of what happened by the lake with Finnabair).
She's already investigating stuff that will get here there eventually, might as well give her all the info that might potentially save her life in the future, instead of slowly stumbling in the dark.
If that creates even larger rift with family and templars (Kaija included), all the sweeter.
I think another major contribution Finnabair made to the story was serving as a key to Medb's interest and growing intimacy (even if it just emotional intimacy right now).
Showing mercy to Finnabair ends up saving the life of Medb's daughter, something we only find out about at the end of the chapter when the MC attends the Alfar farewell ceremony for Finnabair.
The MC, by his actions, shows that he is worthy of Medb sharing a very emotional memory (of her human brother).
As a mother, she is very aware of how the MC turned Finnabair's attitude towards humanity from hate to friendship in less than two months. Finnabair shares a great deal with Medb, and with the more casual attitude about nudity and sex, I suspect that she shared how the human got naked and took a bath while she was present.
Is there a level of casual 'girl talk' between the two women where Finnabair shares more about the growing dynamic between she and the MC?
Conjecture but I believe so (she certainly shared that the MC called Medb a bitch and Medb was semi-playful in telling the MC Not to call her that again).
I also think she shared parts of the trip to her secret pool and perhaps hinted that she and the MC shared more than swimming together. The fact that she is happy and that she really liked that time spent with the MC would not be lost on Medb.
I'm hoping for more conversation with Medb when the MC must leave Alfheimr and, perhaps, even a way to reach her if it is important (and, OC, not to be shared with the Templars - another opportunity to build trust).
So - more nuances to look forward to, and early in the next chapter - Medb/Ailill sharing thoughts on the trip from Alfheimr to Neverwhere (Medb if we are lucky).
Cheers!!
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Can't remember which conversation it was, but it definitely was mentioned during one of them that people who find out about Neverwhere are sometimes killed. Think it was mentioned during one of chats with Kaija?
Could be wrong.
I'm too lazy to download VN again, waiting on Steam release, would get screenshot otherwise.
Just to clear it out, don't think Templars themselves would kill her, that was just a small jab in their direction.
Would they interfere if someone else went after her? Nah, they don't care.
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nitkonikic ; never mind I'll look up myself next time I play (still have a few playtroughs to go from my saves)
But I think it was with Linnae I remember the convo, although I'm pretty stunned about the different interpretations of the conveyed message
thanks for answering my friend
But I think it was with Linnae I remember the convo, although I'm pretty stunned about the different interpretations of the conveyed message
thanks for answering my friend
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It probably varies with whose path you're on. So much in this game does (not that that's a bad thing...)
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As far I can remember, it happens on all 4 (6) paths I'm on, just with whom is what I don't remeber clearly.
As well I have a pretty good notion where this convo takes place and it is information about Neverwhere and serves to intoduce the player to this new scenario.
Amen.
It's what produced this much conversation, tons of possibilities and variety.
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Yeah, sometimes I was tempted, to challenge different members to a "duell" with cotton balls......(I hate pain, and can't see blood , more so if it is my own)
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IIRC the people which are killed are the ones who want to make neverwhere and everything public and are persons which would be taken seriously.
The most are just labeled as nutcases or conspiracy theorists and are ignored.
Elea would not be in any danger just because you tell her everything.
I think the templars also said, they simply do not have the manpower to do anything against it realistically ...as well as something about them not protecting mankind from itself.
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It's from the conversation with Linnae and Kaija that happens right after the first templar meeting where Medb is introduced and makes demands for the dissolution of the templars. Linnae asks the MC to stay at the training hall and asks Kaija to take him to neverwhere. The MC asks what neverwhere is and Linnae talks about how it's kept hidden.
MC: I still don't get how it can remain hidden. We have media, internet, all those things. Somebody would have talked.
Linnae: Of course. But you need to understand that a lot of rich and powerful persons in this world have connections to Neverwhere. And they make sure that it stays hidden. You can see people talking about Neverwhere in this world. They usually wander the streets with cardboard signs. Or they post conspiracy theories on the internet. Nobody takes them seriously. From time to time, somebody who people would take seriously tries to talk. That's when the important people of Neverwhere intervene. Usually these kinds of talkative people have "accidents."
MC: They get killed? And you don't do anything?
Linnae: We protect mankind from things it has no chance against. We do not protect it from itself.
Thank you, that's the one.
And frankly, I think Elea would absolutely be taken seriously if she tried to share it with others.
I don't think she would share it worldwide (not that kind of person), but potentially with enough people that it gets her on someone's sights? Yep.
Heck, I think that actually is what will (sort of) happen. She will find out about Neverwhere and end up in danger.
That's what whole "encourage her to keep looking or tell her to drop it" choice was about in my opinion.
EDIT: Let me re-phrase slightly. She wouldn't get it danger for sharing it with others, she would keep investigating and exploring more and more and more, until running into something that she is not supposed to see, and that puts her life in danger.
At that point, Templars would just shrug and drop it. Just another person in danger, not their responsibility.
That's why I'd prefer to tell her all about the place, to avoid accidentally stumbling in some serious trouble.
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Yeah I mean to remeber something like that , or at least how I interpreted it.
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During that same conversation, Elea had mentioned that her otherwise supportive and loving father was very adamant that she shouldn't waste her time chasing fairy tales because she was too smart for that crap. She also said that her mother left them when she was very young, so I'm wondering if her mother was part of the order and killed? Maybe? Or it could just be a coincidence.
Regardless of anything else, it would still be a good idea for us to tell Elea the truth before she stumbles into something dangerous. I would like to ease her into it if possible, instead of being thrown into the deep end like we were. I would also like more information about what would happen to Elea once she knows the truth. Maybe ask Linnae for advice, about a purely hypothetical situation of course (which Linnae will clearly see through since she's not a fool).
There is a theory by some people that Linnae is her mother. I'm undecided on that, but it's definitely possible.
It would also play into "father stayed with child, while mom left to stay with templars".
If Linnae is her mom, wouldn't surprise me if she gave recommendation to keep her in the dark, to protect her from that world.
In either case, Elea deserves truth.
MC probably learned lesson with Kaija, that lying and deceiving only backfires in the future. So if he's serious about Elea, he needs to come clean when possible.
Sooner better than later, because everyone around him might be in danger, the way things are going currently.
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I had originally suspected Linnae was her mother, but when I replayed the game I didn't see Linnae mention a daughter at all. She just talked about leaving her husband. So it could be true, but I suspect that Linnae wouldn't hide that from us simply because she knows how upset we are with all the lies being told to us by our parents and "girlfriend", and she wouldn't want to risk losing our trust as well. Her keeping her daughter a secret would make sense I suppose, especially if she's more worried about her daughter being used as potential leverage against her. So it could go either way.
Personally, them not being related would be ideal for me because I'm totally trying to bang Linnae and would like it if Elea didn't murder me at a later date for shagging her mom.