VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

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I had originally suspected Linnae was her mother, but when I replayed the game I didn't see Linnae mention a daughter at all. She just talked about leaving her husband. So it could be true, but I suspect that Linnae wouldn't hide that from us simply because she knows how upset we are with all the lies being told to us by our parents and "girlfriend", and she wouldn't want to risk losing our trust as well. Her keeping her daughter a secret would make sense I suppose, especially if she's more worried about her daughter being used as potential leverage against her. So it could go either way.

Personally, them not being related would be ideal for me because I'm totally trying to bang Linnae and would like it if Elea didn't murder me at a later date for shagging her mom.
No, Linnae don't tells us, It is Hilda who does she speaks about Linnae leaving her Husband and daughter.
This assumption, came up after this Update, as well that Kaija is the daughter whose parents, got killed in a Skirmish, MC Dad hinted and he has a special interest in Kaija, also apeared in Ch 5, anyway I expect more backup info before they jump into action,
 
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No, Linnae don't tells us, It is Hilda who does she speaks about Linnae leaving her Husband and daughter.
This assumption, came up after this Update, as well that Kaija is the daughter whose parents, got killed in a Skirmish, MC Dad hinted and he has a special interest in Kaija, also apeared in Ch 5, anyway I expect more backup info before they jump into action,
IIRC there is no mention about a daughter or any children, but it sounds like she had.
Linnae tells you she left her husband, Hilda tells you she broke up with him and her family moved out.

Kajia being daughter of the couple whish was killed doesn't fit...from what i remember, the daughter was send to a distant aunt, which had no connection with the templars, the truth about what has happened was hidden and the last will was to keep her out of their world.
Wasn't Kaija raised by her grandfather, don't really remember ?
 
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IIRC there is no mention about a daughter or any children, but it sounds like she had.
Linnae tells you she left her husband, Hilda tells you she broke up with him and her family moved out.

Kajia being daughter of the couple whish was killed doesn't fit...from what i remember, the daughter was send to a distant aunt, which had no connection with the templars, the truth about what has happened was hidden and the last will was to keep her out of their world.
Wasn't Kaija raised by her grandfather, don't really remember ?
The pendant is mere coincedence then ? (Linnae Elea) , About Kaija yes, I suspect that she ended with her grandpa for some reason, as well, also if you did take the tour with Kaija, Linnae, tells MC that she trained with a determination, which is odd (strange)
 

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The pendant is mere coincedence then ? (Linnae Elea) , About Kaija yes, I suspect that she ended with her grandpa for some reason, as well, also if you did take the tour with Kaija, Linnae, tells MC that she trained with a determination, which is odd (strange)
They Eye of Horus I think seems to connect more than just coincidence...and not something Ceo so far has touched upon history/myth wise....but I'd be amazed if Egyption stuff is not touched upon eventually.
 

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The pendant is mere coincedence then ? (Linnae Elea) , About Kaija yes, I suspect that she ended with her grandpa for some reason, as well, also if you did take the tour with Kaija, Linnae, tells MC that she trained with a determination, which is odd (strange)
I'm not disagreeing that Elea could be Linnae's daughter, just saying no one confirmed that Linnae had a daughter, as far as i remember.
A other possiblity is it's a red herring, we know she's a geek and into mythology, so having this kind of necklace could just as well be explained that way. The eye of ra/horus is a more popular design, or at least i saw that a couple of times rl.
But yeah, i think changes she is her daughter are good.

There definitely is something in Kaija past which motivates her. The time Linnea forces you to talk with her she also says something among the lines of, we have courage, value oaths and have honor...which seems linked to her motivation, but i don't think it has to do with the death couple.
 

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Well damn, now I have to replay my Elea save and not hit on my future mother-in-law. Finnabair and Medb is bad enough, but to do it twice is just asking for Karma to come bite my poor MC on the butt.

Going back to the start of the game, why doesn't the company Elea and the MC work for have better security? It's obviously a Templar front where they keep all their in-the-dark children in one place to keep an eye on them. Surely they would have had some sort of security system in place to protect them? Then again, it is the Templars. Deception seems more important than protection to this mob.
 

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Damn didn't know Medb had a kid. Must have missed it. not sure what to think about that. Changes the dynamic a bit.
 

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Damn didn't know Medb had a kid. Must have missed it. not sure what to think about that. Changes the dynamic a bit.
I missed it to until after I had played through and shagged Finnabair. I'm not sure how that will effect things on my Medb path save.
 

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I missed it to until after I had played through and shagged Finnabair. I'm not sure how that will effect things on my Medb path save.
I originally thought she was a younger and more volatile elf(shown by her emotional outbursts). So to find out she's a mother was a shock. Didn't really give off those vibes. Aillill(?) definitely gave off parental vibes and his maturity was clear as day so it will be interesting to see Medb's dynamic in the future.
 
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The pendant is mere coincedence then ? (Linnae Elea)
Could it be that Elea is the daughter of Linnae's ex-husband and a woman he was with after he split with Linnae?

It'd be a bit of a stretch, but if her father kept the necklace he had from his time with Linnae, and Elea inherited it, then it wouldn't be a complete coincidence. Her father would've had a serious case of bad luck with women though. Lose one wife to a career, and then lose a second wife (assuming they married) a short time later not long after they have a kid. That'd be rough.

I just find it a bit suspect that Linnae would sit you down and offer to answer questions honestly in an attempt to gain trust, and then lie to you instead of saying she didn't want to speak about it. The MC even gave her the choice to back out of the question about her family if she couldn't answer it, and Linnae said that it was a question that she could answer.

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When asked if she would've let your father die instead of dissolving the Templars, she responds "I just told you that I gave up my hopes of having a family for the order. What do you expect me to answer?" So to me that sounds like she didn't actually have a daughter, and instead divorced while she and her husband were talking about starting a family. Otherwise, why use the term "hopes of having a family" instead of just "her family".

She never flat out said that she didn't have children, but it would be a pretty big thing to omit during what is supposed to be a conversation to prove that they could be honest and open with you. But it wouldn't surprise me all that much if Elea was Linnae's daughter. I certainly wouldn't put money on either outcome.
 

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She never flat out said that she didn't have children, but it would be a pretty big thing to omit during what is supposed to be a conversation to prove that they could be honest and open with you. But it wouldn't surprise me all that much if Elea was Linnae's daughter. I certainly wouldn't put money on either outcome.
lol..keep up....

Also mom (Hilda) tells us that Linnae has a child....which was discussed...ohhhh only on the previous thread page ;)
 
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lol..keep up....

Also mom (Hilda) tells us that Linnae has a child....which was discussed...ohhhh only on the previous thread page ;)
I saw that comment, but couldn't find it in the game.

I also saw several other comments about how it was never said in the game.

So if you could tell me where to find it, it would be helpful.
 

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Burned bridges reference in that conversation with Linnae.

Coincidence, or just planned well in advance...

Granted, I've only done conversation with her once, and that strengthened my opinion she should not be trusted.

Her reply to being asked if she regrets losing family to stay a templar as "sometimes" just shows she is theirs.
If she left her family for Templars, betraying MC for the good of the order would be walk in the park.

Shame MC has to spend so much time speaking with her, but hey, story needs are story needs. He has to talk to someone to get story exposition :)

Man, do I not trust or like Linnae one bit...
 

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I saw that comment, but couldn't find it in the game.

I also saw several other comments about how it was never said in the game.

So if you could tell me where to find it, it would be helpful.
Burned bridges reference in that conversation with Linnae.

Coincidence, or just planned well in advance...

Granted, I've only done conversation with her once, and that strengthened my opinion she should not be trusted.

Her reply to being asked if she regrets losing family to stay a templar as "sometimes" just shows she is theirs.
If she left her family for Templars, betraying MC for the good of the order would be walk in the park.

Shame MC has to spend so much time speaking with her, but hey, story needs are story needs. He has to talk to someone to get story exposition :)

Man, do I not trust or like Linnae one bit...
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Ok, you were open, and somehow you hope Elea isn't Linnaes daughter, and yes it is pretty vague, on the other hand why use the term family, and not just her husband moved out ?
In the end only future updates can shed light into it, I confess that I defend my theory that Elea is the daughter, and of course since this is not a harem game they are exclusive one with the other, As well the dialoge changes, depending in how open you are to the Templars and Kaija, there is more, to enter the Templars you must be one of the offspring of a Member, they don't often get new members from outside their ranks.
 
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Ok, you were open, and somehow you hope Elea isn't Linnaes daughter, and yes it is pretty vague, on the other hand why use the term family, and not just her husband moved out ?
I don't know. That's what's tripping me up. Why not use the the term daughter or child? Why not tell him that full truth here? The parents are supposed to be convincing their children to trust them by being open and honest with them, and yet they are clearly tip-toeing around the truth (assuming that Elea is Linnaes daughter).

If Linnae had a daughter, I would expect our mother to talk about how hard it was for Linnae to not be there for her child. Right? Like, why wouldn't you mention that? They are trying to justify their lies as necessary to keep the family together. They directly mention the daughter of the two who were killed, but suddenly get all coy with the truth when talking about Linnae. And why does she word it as if it were the truth that caused Linnae's husband to leave?

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It sounds like Hilda thinks that Linnae should've lied to her husband about her job and lived a double life. And the use of "her family moved out" is really weird here. Why so vauge? Why not say her husband moved out and took thier child with him? Why phrase it in a way that could also mean she had other relatives living with her who moved out that day? It feels like they are being intentionally dishonest here and still trying to keep secrets during a conversation that is supposed to show that they can be trusted not keep any more secrets form them.

I don't know if the author is doing this for a plot related reason, or if they are doing it just because they are trying to make the identity of Elea's mother a surprise for later. Either way, I think that this should have some blowback on both Linnae and our parents once it is revealed that Elea is Linnae's daughter. Assuming that is what happens (which is most likely will).

Linnae had told us that "The vast majority [of recurits] come from our own families. Sons and daughters following in their parent's footsteps." So when it was mentioned that 'her family moved out' my mind didn't immedieately go to 'Oh, she had a kid'. I just assumed that she had other family members leaving the organization that day.

Maybe we can kick start the process of finding out the truth by telling Linnae that we found a possible recruit in Elea, a young woman with a life-long interest in secret societies. That might shake a few apples out of the tree. Or we could do nothing and then have the excuse of "How was I supposed to know she was your daughter? You never even told me you had a kid" when we ineveitably get in trouble for our romantic endeavours.
 
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