VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

[Dessolos]

Most also play VN just as it is, VN, not really "putting themselves in shoes of protagonist". And in that case, eh, why "lose" content?

For me that is 100% true I find it impossible to do that myself I just use my own personal feelings toward a character , their actions and context of a situation but never in the MC's shoes. Hell alot of the time I really don't even care what happens to a MC if they are betrayed or whatever as long as my personal feelings is greater than whatever negative thing a LI or character did to a MC heavily depends on the context of course. As I view a MC more as a tool to tell the story and get to know the characters. That is probably one of the biggest reasons I don't have an issue with Kaija and she is my current favorite.

Yeah I play every path unless I really hate a character cause like you said why lose content when I can make another save. There is only a small handful of paths I skipped across all games ive played. I want to say 20 or less . Be a very different story if we were only allowed one save in these games.

 

[nitkonikic]

For me that is 100% true I find it impossible to do that myself I just use my own personal feelings toward a character , their actions and context of a situation but never in the MC's shoes. Hell alot of the time I really don't even care what happens to a MC if they are betrayed or whatever as long as my personal feelings is greater than whatever negative thing a LI or character did to a MC heavily depends on the context of course. As I view a MC more as a tool to tell the story and get to know the characters. That is probably one of the biggest reasons I don't have an issue with Kaija and she is my current favorite.

Yeah I play every path unless I really hate a character cause like you said why lose content when I can make another save. There is only a small handful of paths I skipped across all games ive played. I want to say 20 or less . Be a very different story if we were only allowed one save in these games.

Exact opposite here. If I can't (3 letter word VNs aside, porn games are porn games, no reason to get engaged to story there) put myself in MCs shoes, or grow to hate his reactions because in my brain they make no sense, I usually drop VN.
In my case it all comes from reading books/playing heavy choice based RPGs.

Simply put, I must see everything play out in my mind, like watching a TV show. Every detail, every conversation, every character voice, I must "see and hear" them.
So when character like Kaija comes along, can't help but hate her guts. She's hurt me, beyond repair for even friendship.

That's not to say I won't run friendship route, to see that content, it will just be something minor and on the side to learn more about characters (well worth it in this VN, where 90% of Kaija personality is shown on higher score route)

 

[Dessolos]

Exact opposite here. If I can't (3 letter word VNs aside, porn games are porn games, no reason to get engaged to story there) put myself in MCs shoes, or grow to hate his reactions because in my brain they make no sense, I usually drop VN.
In my case it all comes from reading books/playing heavy choice based RPGs.

Simply put, I must see everything play out in my mind, like watching a TV show. Every detail, every conversation, every character voice, I must "see and hear" them.
So when character like Kaija comes along, can't help but hate her guts. She's hurt me, beyond repair for even friendship.

That's not to say I won't run friendship route, to see that content, it will just be something minor and on the side to learn more about characters (well worth it in this VN, where 90% of Kaija personality is shown on higher score route)

sometimes I wish I could play like that to see how different I would do things. I play mostly choice base RPG's when I have the option to and never been able to care for a MC in those game either at least most of the time cause I won't say never but very rarely.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

I have two distinct Kaija paths - high love and very low/no love - and the way Ceolag has written Kaija allows for significant RP IMO.

* I get wanting Kaija to be a good woman (high love) caught in the terrible choices of dual loyalty... who come first - the MC or the Templars and how can the one that comes second ever really keep their trust in her when that side (MC or Templars) feels like a decision needs to fall their way and does not, over and over again.

Who does she side with when the shit truly hits the fan?


* I also am totally with the MC on the very low/no love path.

She gaslighted him for years, trusted in His loyalty while she was happy to enjoy a job made easier by her deception, and effectively blocked his ability to find a true romantic partner because the MC was loyal to what he thought they had.

For all we know, Kaija had one or more lovers/f-buddies who entertained her while she was 'out on business'.

She certainly has no loyalty to the MC beyond that of a friend, as she clearly stated when they had the talk after she did her Templar duty and helped to rescue the Grandmaster's son.

For me, the MC appreciated this more initially than he did once she explained where her true loyalty lay. He was, after all, just a job.


I've tied the MC's relationship to his parents to the two paths:

Kaija High love and MC trusts his parents

Kaija very low/no love and the MC burns his bridges

I am very curious how these two paths will play out.

I think that Ceolag is one of the few AVN creators I've found who has the ability to tell these two divergent versions of this story against the background of the greater conflict between the Templars and the Alfar (and also the still hidden third party who seems to be instigating this conflict).

This will take time and chapters to play out and I am looking forward to the journey!

Cheers!!

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

sometimes I wish I could play like that to see how different I would do things. I play mostly choice base RPG's when I have the option to and never been able to care for a MC in those game either at least most of the time cause I won't say never but very rarely.

I always immerse myself in the game, I get a better playing experience. I kinda see it as the whole point of storytelling. The more I get immersed in a story the more I enjoy it. Although, how much you can immerse yourself depends on the story of course. Most porn games are utter rubbish when it comes to storytelling. A lot of harem games often start off well and then turn to crap towards the end. This one is a gem so far and with only four LIs it should stay that way until the end.

 

[minibaer12]

I have two distinct Kaija paths - high love and very low/no love - and the way Ceolag has written Kaija allows for significant RP IMO.

* I get wanting Kaija to be a good woman (high love) caught in the terrible choices of dual loyalty... who come first - the MC or the Templars and how can the one that comes second ever really keep their trust in her when that side (MC or Templars) feels like a decision needs to fall their way and does not, over and over again.

Who does she side with when the shit truly hits the fan?


* I also am totally with the MC on the very low/no love path.

She gaslighted him for years, trusted in His loyalty while she was happy to enjoy a job made easier by her deception, and effectively blocked his ability to find a true romantic partner because the MC was loyal to what he thought they had.

For all we know, Kaija had one or more lovers/f-buddies who entertained her while she was 'out on business'.

She certainly has no loyalty to the MC beyond that of a friend, as she clearly stated when they had the talk after she did her Templar duty and helped to rescue the Grandmaster's son.

For me, the MC appreciated this more initially than he did once she explained where her true loyalty lay. He was, after all, just a job.


I've tied the MC's relationship to his parents to the two paths:

Kaija High love and MC trusts his parents

Kaija very low/no love and the MC burns his bridges

I am very curious how these two paths will play out.

I think that Ceolag is one of the few AVN creators I've found who has the ability to tell these two divergent versions of this story against the background of the greater conflict between the Templars and the Alfar (and also the still hidden third party who seems to be instigating this conflict).

This will take time and chapters to play out and I am looking forward to the journey!

Cheers!!

I'm not that far away from you. I only have two paths that interest me. They both have the following in common:
- I'm 100% on the love path with Medb
- I keep in friendly contact with the other two LIs (I've forgotten their names because they don't interest me)
- Breaking with the parents (burning bridges)
- I don't take sides with the Templars or Alfar's

Path 1 (also my main path): Breaking with Kaija, what she did is a NO-GO for me and doesn't deserve an apology! (if I have the opportunity, not even as a partner)

Path 2 (warlike path): I'm only pretending to be on the love path with Kaija, just to get additional training from her. I have no idea how this will develop, but there will definitely come a point where I won't need her anymore and then it'll be over.

 

[Wolfram99]

Path 2 (warlike path): I'm only pretending to be on the love path with Kaija, just to get additional training from her. I have no idea how this will develop, but there will definitely come a point where I won't need her anymore and then it'll be over.

Im interested how the cheating with Finn will play out on the Kaija full love path.
How vile will that interaction be , or ceolag decides to torpedo kaija's character and make her a cuckquean, now that would be an assasination of the century.

Im still salty that if you decide to help the elves, you get an automatic +1 kaija LP.
Why does Ceolag want to tarnish the Kaija Hate path so much?

 

[Maviarab]

Sometimes I do wonder if there was a poll what % would say they like Kaija vs hate. While not a metric you can go by and won't be accurate. Every once in awhile when I do see a post on reddit about this game and I see more comments about liking Kaija than hating her over there but the complete opposite on this thread.

If you want a left leaning, US under 30 centric echo chamber response to a question, then Reddit for sure would be the place to ask said question.

Im interested how the cheating with Finn will play out on the Kaija full love path.

How would she ever know?

 

[Wolfram99]

How would she ever know?

My MC would explicitly tell her, in gory details

 

[Rehwyn]

How would she ever know?

My MC would explicitly tell her, in gory details

Also, remember how Finn was essentially telling Medb everything she did with you? Honestly wouldn't surprise me if Medb knows you fucked, and brings it up sometime in conversation at a most inconvenient time.

 

[Maviarab]

Also, remember how Finn was essentially telling Medb everything she did with you? Honestly wouldn't surprise me if Medb knows you fucked, and brings it up sometime in conversation at a most inconvenient time.

If you got to that point you are most likely (unless you truly screwed up) still heading along Medb's path....so why would she do that?

 

[Wolfram99]

If you got to that point you are most likely (unless you truly screwed up) still heading along Medb's path....so why would she do that?

Because Ceolag is a sadist in disguise for now. Imagine who else he will off.

 

[Rehwyn]

If you got to that point you are most likely (unless you truly screwed up) still heading along Medb's path....so why would she do that?

Doesn't mean you are on a path with just Medb; could easily see her bringing it up if you're on another path too. And Elves clearly are pretty open discussing sex so it might not even be malicious.

Because Ceolag is a sadist in disguise for now. Imagine who else he will off.

Also this. Given how other choices have gone so far, I think it's incredibly optimistic to think there won't be repercussions (good or bad) to sleeping with Finn.

Don't get me wrong, I totally did. I just expect there to be some type of impact later.

 

[Wolfram99]

My canon for now will be like:
In the next episode if they discuss the wounds Finn received, there will be an additional line of dialogue if MC creampie'd her where the coroner would also report traces of human DNA in her vagina that is indicative of rape

 

[Rehwyn]

My canon for now will be like:
In the next episode if they discuss the wounds Finn received, there will be an additional line of dialogue if MC creampie'd her where the coroner would also report traces of human DNA in her vagina that is indicative of rape

MC:

 

[Maviarab]

Doesn't mean you are on a path with just Medb; could easily see her bringing it up if you're on another path too.

Unless you completely fucked up (even harder to do now with the recent [Medb LP] changes to both Steam and Patreon versions), then at the minimum...you are on Medb's friend path, most likely still heading towards her love path (that flag has not been added yet). So again, why would she risk pissing you off?

I give up with people who refuse to listen or comprehend what they are being told/read.

 

[Rehwyn]

Unless you completely fucked up (even harder to do now with the recent [Medb LP] changes to both Steam and Patreon versions), then at the minimum...you are on Medb's friend path, most likely still heading towards her love path (that flag has not been added yet). So again, why would she risk pissing you off?

I give up with people who refuse to listen or comprehend what they are being told/read.

I understood your question. Just because you're currently on her "friend" path doesn't mean that can't change if for some reason she takes offense to you also being with say Kaija, a member of the group that apparently killed her daughter. Or any other reason she might feel a bit miffed if you're with different LIs. Maybe Elves and whatever Fiona is don't get along? Who knows. So much is still left to be revealed the dev has lots of opportunities for it to come up.

Or, again, she brings it up casually some time when she's not thinking how humans might take it more personally. I doubt she's in "ambassador" mode 100% of the time.

She's also a grieving mother. Lashing out on irrational anger would not be unusual in the slightest, especially since she already has reason not to fully trust MC. That said, so far she doesn't seem to blame MC if you're all in and at the funeral, but that could change.

 

[Wolfram99]

I answered your question. Just because you're currently on her "friend" path doesn't mean that can't change if for some reason she takes offense to you also being with say Kaija, a member of the group that apparently killed her daughter. Or any other reason she might feel a bit miffed if you're with different LIs.

Or, again, she brings it up casually some time when she's not thinking how humans might take it more personally. I doubt she's in "ambassador" mode 100% of the time.

She's also a grieving mother. Lashing out on irrational anger would not be unusual in the slightest, especially since she already has reason not to fully trust MC. That said, so far she doesn't seem to blame MC at all, but that could change.

Hmmm, i remember the talks in Discord that Medb path is designed to be difficult, so in Ch.5 only getting to the Friend status would probably leave you locked out of future fun stuff with her.

 

[e6mill]

If you got to that point you are most likely (unless you truly screwed up) still heading along Medb's path....so why would she do that?

You can totally have max points with both Medb and Kaija at this point (well, I'm down 1 with K). As far as I know the only person you CANNOT have max (+/- 1 or 2) points with (so far) is whichever one of Elea or Fiona that you didn't call to hang out with for the afternoon while waiting on sis.

 

[RNasc4444]

Poll would be heavily in favor of Kaija.
Simple truth is, people will mostly raise their voice to complain about something/someone (vocal minority).

Most also play VN just as it is, VN, not really "putting themselves in shoes of protagonist". And in that case, eh, why "lose" content?
You can't "feel" betrayal if you just see it as fun twist in a story, nothing else.

My prediction would be strong 80/20 in favor of Kaija fans, if not even higher.
p.s. (fuck Kaija)

I truly hope you're not right. From my perspective it's hard to think of a more despicable character here than Kaija. For God's sake so many people's goal in life is to find a good enough partner they can share it with. This bitch lies to the MC for years, gets into a romantic relationship with him for convenience, wastes years of his life on a fake relationship and is so caught up in that Templar cult kool-aid that she barely even feels remorseful for it. It's fucking vile!

It's hard for me to feel any shred of sympathy for her. To see any redeeming quality in her character. So yeah, fuck Kaija! Fuck the parents! Fuck the Templars! Fuck the Elves! (except for Finn's dad and the lake elf lady, they seemed ok).

Imma keep saying it, I'm siding with the Hellspawn! They seem to be the ones that wronged the MC the least so far