VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

[rambo455]

I was surprised by how much Finnabair was the polar opposite of her father Ailill. He was a composed and pragmatic person who planned ahead, while she was an impulsive reckless fool who tries to murder you twice. Her second attempt was particularly stupid, as she challenges you to a duel to the death with swords after just having lost a sword fight to you. They say that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, so I could only imagine that her mother must have been a total trainwreck of a person to raise such an awful child. Turns out I was right.

Elven society as a whole didn't come across looking too great in this episode. They're all hypocrites of the highest degree. Their claims of honour are laughable after watching this farce of a duel. How exactly are you supposed to decline to duel? Just stand there and get cut in half? We verbally refused the duel, and then she attacks anyways, and us drawing the sword in self-defence somehow justifies her actions? But if we kill her after she refuses to yield and vows to kill us, we are imprisoned and interrogated? Our guest rites end when we are deep in their territory? And we can be murdered in cold blood? What the fuck is this horseshit?

The only reason I spared her life was because I wanted to use it as proof of our earnest attempt at peace. But she really deserved to die. She got off so ridiculously light that I can't take them seriously. She's 281 years old, and pouting like a child because she has to teach us about her culture for a few days. Wow. Really harsh punishment for two counts of attempted murder, huh?

If it weren't for the lady in the lake, I'd be switching over to killing Finnibair as my main path in the game. She 100% deserves it, and it makes sense for us to do so as she's lying there vowing to never stop trying to murder us while Medb approves of it all. The two of them are such trash that they make Kaija look like a reasonable choice for a love interest.

yeah finnibair was a bitch but also the only interesting person in the game so far.

 

[Maviarab]

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I killed her three times just to watch her die. (Great job on that graphic btw) Then reloaded after each one before I let her live and moved on.

 

[Elduriel]

Not really though.....

yes really

 

[HornyyPussy]

yes really

Sorry, for some reason the rest of my post never made it.....

For me, she redeemed herself and a half. She had a preconception on how bad humans are and she learned otherwise from the MC and corrected her ways. For me, there was never any question whether she was worth continuing with or not. I never gad a sliver of thought of killing her.

 

[Elduriel]

Sorry, for some reason the rest of my post never made it.....

For me, she redeemed herself and a half. She had a preconception on how bad humans are and she learned otherwise from the MC and corrected her ways. For me, there was never any question whether she was worth continuing with or not. I never gad a sliver of thought of killing her.

I didn't mean that part, I quite liked her. More so the first half, about the duel and so on, that's quite on point, you don't just withdraw "diplomatic immunity" as soon as the conversation is over. That's not how it works, fiction or not, otherwise neither party would ever attempt something like that (even if the MC went on his own, he was still promised safety)

 

[Wolfram99]

MC is not a hospital for rehabilitation of those around him.

The elves probably don't have any developed relations outside of Alfheim, so their "diplomacy" is intended only for the locals.

 

[HornyyPussy]

I didn't mean that part, I quite liked her. More so the first half, about the duel and so on, that's quite on point, you don't just withdraw "diplomatic immunity" as soon as the conversation is over. That's not how it works, fiction or not, otherwise neither party would ever attempt something like that (even if the MC went on his own, he was still promised safety)

No, that particular part I agree with but then again, I give room for A LOT of suspension of belief in VN's

MC is not a hospital for rehabilitation of those around him.

No idea what you mean here but if it's in response to my post I'd say the hero making an opponent see the error of their ways and making them in to an ally, that's one of the oldest tropes in story telling there is.

 

[Elduriel]

MC is not a hospital for rehabilitation of those around him.

The elves probably don't have any developed relations outside of Alfheim, so their "diplomacy" is intended only for the locals.

no, they have relationships outside, even with the templars. Remember Medb is an actual envoy/diplomat for them.

 

[HornyyPussy]

no, they have relationships outside, even with the templars. Remember Medb is an actual envoy/diplomat for them.

just not very diplomatic

 

[Krytax123]

No, that particular part I agree with but then again, I give room for A LOT of suspension of belief in VN's

Obviously, youre supporting WVM after all.

But i dont remember anyone ever giving the MC any diplomatic immunity and he wasnt there as an envoy from anyone. Legally he was more or less just a random guy who walked into their territory.

Even the valkyre tells him its gonna be dangerous and not safe (the bodyguard girl too).

So yeah the alfar behave like assholes but im not sure they are damaging any international(interdimensional?) diplomatic guest rights.

 

[HornyyPussy]

Obviously, youre supporting WVM after all.

But i dont remember anyone ever giving the MC any diplomatic immunity and he wasnt there as an envoy from anyone. Legally he was more or less just a random guy who walked into their territory.

Even the valkyre tells him its gonna be dangerous and not safe (the bodyguard girl too).

So yeah the alfar behave like assholes but im not sure they are damaging any international(interdimensional?) diplomatic guest rights.

Don't remember the actual wording in that scene so you could very well be correct of course.

 

[Elduriel]

Obviously, youre supporting WVM after all.

But i dont remember anyone ever giving the MC any diplomatic immunity and he wasnt there as an envoy from anyone. Legally he was more or less just a random guy who walked into their territory.

Even the valkyre tells him its gonna be dangerous and not safe (the bodyguard girl too).

So yeah the alfar behave like assholes but im not sure they are damaging any international(interdimensional?) diplomatic guest rights.

fuck it, I went back and checked, you are right. This is the line from the script:
"We will bring you to Ãlfheimr. I guarantee you safe travel until you've had your chance to speak there. After that, you're on your own."

It's still a sorta asshole promise.

 

[Rehwyn]

Don't remember the actual wording in that scene so you could very well be correct of course.

Yeah, if I remember correctly, the only reason MC had any protection at all is because Ailill extended him "guest" status until he delivered his message to Medb, with the understanding that he'd essentially be on his own from there. Obviously, Medb could have chosen to extend that protection, but she didn't.

 

[HornyyPussy]

Yeah, if I remember correctly, the only reason MC had any protection at all is because Ailill extended him "guest" status until he delivered his message to Medb, with the understanding that he'd essentially be on his own from there. Obviously, Medb could have chosen to extend that protection, but she didn't.

That sounds very familiar, yes Thanks!

 

[RNasc4444]

The two of them are such trash that they make Kaija look like a reasonable choice for a love interest.

Preach! And keep preaching brother! Say it with me. Fuck the Elves! Fuck the Templars! Fuck the parents! Long live the Hellspawn!

 

[xapican]

But i dont remember anyone ever giving the MC any diplomatic immunity and he wasnt there as an envoy from anyone. Legally he was more or less just a random guy who walked into their territory.

Yes, that was what I wanted to point out as well he was only protected by the Hospitality customs of the Alfar.
(similar to the Celtic/ gaelic customs) And (in case you didn't kill Finn) Medb extends these, as she jumps on the ocasion to teach her daughter a lesson.

 

[HornyyPussy]

Yes, that was what I wanted to point out as well he was only protected by the Hospitality customs of the Alfar.
(similar to the Celtic/ gaelic customs) And (in case you didn't kill Finn) Medb extends these, as she jumps on the ocasion to teach her daughter a lesson.

 

[Krytax123]

fuck it, I went back and checked, you are right. This is the line from the script:
"We will bring you to Ãlfheimr. I guarantee you safe travel until you've had your chance to speak there. After that, you're on your own."

It's still a sorta asshole promise.

Yeah it is but to be fair he didnt got invited. The alfar didnt want him there. And i dont think fin's father even had the authority to give the MC a "official" guest status.

He's the son of the fucking grandmaster and they didnt allowed ANY human into their realm for like forever and not without reasons.

He's literally spying on them (with their knowledge) and they dont have any real clue whats he's gonna do with the information he got, im actually more suprised that they (medb) are willing to let him go easy peasy before/during the war.

He has a lot of information about them and would be an awesome hostage, they kinda redeem their asshole behavior from the beginning wiht being too trusting now lol

 

[HornyyPussy]

Yeah it is but to be fair he didnt got invited. The alfar didnt want him there. And i dont think fin's father even had the authority to give the MC a "official" guest status.

He's the son of the fucking grandmaster and they didnt allowed ANY human into their realm for like forever and not without reasons.

He's literally spying on them (with their knowledge) and they dont have any real clue whats he's gonna do with the information he got, im actually more suprised that they (medb) are willing to let him go easy peasy before/during the war.

He has a lot of information about them and would be an awesome hostage, they kinda redeem their asshole behavior from the beginning wiht being too trusting now lol

I think Medb warmed up to him quite a bit and she saw what an impact he had on Fin so she went with the compassionate choice.

 

[RNasc4444]

I think Medb warmed up to him quite a bit and she saw what an impact he had on Fin so she went with the compassionate choice.

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