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Technically Kaija is a redhead albeit a fake / dyed redhead.
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Honestly, depending on circumstances, I'd consider forgiving them. But as we've discussed, IRL what would likely happen is the agent would tell their superior they were emotionally compromised and be reassigned. I think if Kaija told the Templars that, their response would have been "Great! That's what we wanted in the first place."
Sounds like that's the case. I look at it this way because chronologically she was an agent well before starting a romantic relationship with MC, at least on the love path.
I actually do have some work now, so going to have to let this topic go and be productive.
Yeah, the sword thing. She should at least see how incompetent her leaders are, should not she? It's not about her relationship with MC but how mindlessly she is following Templars. Sorry, if it's being confusing.
Yes, that is correct.
She was open about it imo. She said she has her secrets, also those secrets have nothing to do with MC and if/when the time comes she is willing to talk about it. Also, she said all of these at their second on purpose meeting. More than this would be oversharing, not openness.
I can do that.
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the thing for me it is heavily depended on the path. For me I feel she can be trusted on the love path ( which is the only version the lands on my top 10). As I see her on the Love Path as someone that is loyal to the templars but also her loyalty is wavering because now the truth is out in the open, their relationship starts to feel better than ever. Because of the truth being out in the open I think she find it easier to side with the MC more often than not. ( tho that is just how I see things I know there is nothing to back that up really)
Thanks, it was fun. Maybe I should get sleep as is early morning here.I actually do have some work now, so going to have to let this topic go and be productive.
With real good backstory why Kaija acts this way and if she ever sees the light, I may have forgive her but there is no way I'd ever forgive Templars including parents, they are organized evil people.
And I do that because regardless of what she was before, we introduced to her from MC's POV.
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Mhmmm, wasn't she the one who tells the MC that the Swords Durandal and the Celtic one belongs to him ? and that there will be arguing in how MC handled the situation with Medb ?
iirc, she was indeed the one to MC he owns the swords but not at the council. Linnae said he is breaking an ancient rule. My problem was not about who owns the swords though. A council member was clearly trying to scam MC in front of her, other 2 members were staying silent about it, yet first thing she said after the event, they know what they do, after MC asking why they are sending Kaija while she is injured. Not even a slightest thought that may be the Templars wrong too, maybe not everything they do is absolutely the correct thing etc. but nope, same cult member as before.
Edit: Arguing about the deal should be a warning for her too. MC saved their grand master, yet they were greedy enough to ask more and obtuse enough to not understand MC's situation. On top of that, it was not news for Kaija she knew how they would act before, yet she is blindly loyal to them. So, even if we accept Kaija was faultless at initial stage, blindly following them Templars would make her at least partly blameable.
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She did yes but she was unaware of what the sword was. Shittynator knew exatly what it was immediately and she did not intervene when he tried to screw the MC, it was Linnae.
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Yeah but I can't follow someone's path (especially not exclusively) based purely on how I hope things will go character development wise. If the Dev wanted me to be more loyal to Kajia he would have had to spend more time developing that relationship and showing her good points before everything blew up. We only got a hint and even that was not great - cancelling plans to go on a mission she couldn't tell us anything about. We got nothing except wishful thinking to base any profound trust or loyalty on.
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Hmm, that line was adressed to Shitynator William. Not at MC for all I remember. and it is on all paths.
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thanks for confirming both.
why should she ? intervene ? she was taken by surprise as well as Shitynator startet his scam attempt, revealing who is the corrupt part in the Templar organization, he is just a minion though not the masterbrain.
Yes it was, my problem was Kaija reaction, or lack there of to whole ordeal happening in front of her. It is on all paths but being on love path too is a huge problem, don't you think? Even Linnae mentioned how wrong it was afterwards. You may say she did not dare to talk in front of council but she did not say anything about it after iirc, even in private to MC. She is a thoughtless cult member. Along with what I said before, her loyalty did not waiver at all even on the love path, like some people claim. Another example of it, think carefully of wording when she said she cares MC too. She said I only cared Templar before but recently that has changed. She is not putting MC in front of Templars, she is putting him at the same place at best. When you combine, all the things she said about Templars. Like how they are the good guys, how important they are for humanity, how good person is Steroid-Kevin is, how they would never ask her to harm an innocent and so on. Her 2 paths are not so different. She is the same person, as she said this is who she is. Only thing that changes the importance of MC and that is not tested yet. All in all, if anyone does not like her as a person in not LI path, logically they should not like her at LI path either.
He is no minion. He is basically one the highest ranking member of the organization, only inferior to grandmaster. All council members are equal, so second in rank is pretty high. She does not accept any defect in the organization though. As she stated they are the good guys.
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Hmm, no, but here come the personal character and personality traits of the Player to grip, I for example would have felt belittled and overprotected, as if I couldn't stand for myself, this was clearly a fight where MC has fight by himself and stand his ground.
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The other thing is that - there is still stuff about MC we don't know. I mean - there's still something that no one is telling him. MedB was surprised that he could see the hellspawn, he wasn't supposed to be able to apparently. Kari is astonished that he was able to resist a succubus and still walk home under his own power and go to bed, the Lady of the Lake says a bunch of cryptic things about him but approves of him having the sword. So even after all of the lies and promises to come clean, they are still hiding stuff (because if he has special magical abilities that most humans don't - it's not just a random chance of genetics from two perfectly normal human parents). I'm guessing that at least one, and maybe both of those people weren't actually involved in his conception (possibly Rebecca's either.) I also suspect that the girl they mentioned - whose parents both died on a mission and she was sent to live with her aunt ... is in the story at this point, somewhere.
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There's definitely unknowns about MC, but on the topic of genetics, if it's a recessive trait, it could theoretically be passed for generations without presenting. If it is indeed a result of inherited traits, I suspect we'll find some non-human (or at least some "special" human) ancestry is the cause. If it's far enough in the past, it's possible that MC's parents may be unaware of their lineage as well, but still be his biological parents.
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Possibly but based on recent events, I suspect that there are still (even bigger) secrets that they don't think he's "ready for" or whatever excuse they think up this time. It will be interesting to see the templar reaction when he returns from his time with the elves. (Really wish that Medb had sent his phone to Rebecca instead of the Templars - why would I want to communicate anything to the Templars?)
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Oh yeah, I'm sure there's stuff that's still being kept from him. I suspect though that it might be secrets only one or a handful of people know, rather than essentially the entire Templar organization.
I'm definitely looking forward to reactions from many different groups upon his return. He essentially vanished for a week. In addition to the Templar reaction, it will be interesting to see if anyone covered for him with his work, for example.
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You mean MC sister ? Jessica ? I'm still trying to figure out who the freck Rebecca is
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Little convenient and contrived don't you think....reaching and not wanting to see the trees for the wood me thinks
People know he is special...they know...but like mom and pops...they were gonna tell him but shit kept getting in the way, you know...like:
washing their hair,
doing their nails,
getting the groceries...
getting the oil changed on the car...
Trimming nose hair,..
So much important shit gets in the way and it's just never the right time...you know...something always seems to come up, you understand son...right? Right?