VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

[Maviarab]

Other than kidnapping with the intent to murder the Grandmaster



Only it wasn't to extract concessions. Medb planned the scenario knowing full well that the terms for his release were beyond anything that could be accepted or negotiated away from. So fabricate a situation that allows them to murder someone and transfer blame. She admits that much on her own.

"We had to kill him because you didn't meet our demands" is right up there with "you agreed to a death duel because you weren't willing to die like the pathetic little human we need you to be."

No life debt from Medb and the father dies. She tried to sucker the MC into erasing that little bump in their plan at the release meeting.

As much as I want to say that nobody is stupid enough to think the outcome could be any less than total war and annihilation. History is filled with supposedly wise rulers thinking they could kick a bear and negotiate out of it. Sadly, history also shows us that it can happen.

I will disagree on the kidnapping being a crime or act of war. Until you declare war, it's a crime against an individual. I'll avoid bringing up real world examples to avoid that "political" hornets nest. Had they declared war on the back of the offense, then maybe you could lawyer that one as the opening salvo. That isn't what they did though. By their own admission, they made demands that would only give a flaky excuse to commit murder.

Dafuq are you on about?

 

[TrixRabbit]

I'm playing through again, trying a few different things and maybe setting up some saves with side girls (like Kate maybe) as main Li's - since I'm really down to just Fionna.

Anyway, I was reading and thinking about MC and Kajia's relationship in the early game and I think I would have been close to ending things anyway. It doesn't really feel like they're much of a couple anyway, more like FWB + a place for her to store her clothes. I said once that the first thing I would have done when I found out was give her an ultimatum - the templars or me. But I think I'd be pretty close to that anyway - not in a hostile way but in a ... I know you love your job but this isn't working for me ... way.

I wonder, before the whole kidnapping and attempted assassination thing, what Kajia and the Templars reactions would have been. If Kajia had to choose between staying close to MC, and being a Templar - had to get a regular job, no more top secret work, no more business trips, no more mysterious phone calls ... or wouldn't really see MC anymore. Also assuming that they couldn't just send in a new agent because he wouldn't go near anyone with a similar lifestyle to Kajias

 

[adanu]

I wonder, before the whole kidnapping and attempted assassination thing, what Kajia and the Templars reactions would have been. If Kajia had to choose between staying close to MC, and being a Templar - had to get a regular job, no more top secret work, no more business trips, no more mysterious phone calls ... or wouldn't really see MC anymore. Also assuming that they couldn't just send in a new agent because he wouldn't go near anyone with a similar lifestyle to Kajias

Trix, what is your favorite thing in the world to do?

 

[TheNowhereWolf]

Caught up on the current version, think knowing about Finn stopped me caring too much about her since It felt kind of pointless to do so but I did end up liking her enough to still be bummed out. Honestly though I feel like there's something off about her death, not just that It's way to convenient to blame the Templars, It was almost certainly the 3rd party but just how quick It seemed and I'm just not a fan of off screen deaths in general.

For the main and I guess only real LI's I can't say there's one I am sold on completely, went Kaija's love path since I expected her to be way worse after reading this thread, I didn't so much trust Kaija as I did Jessica and the whole girls just know the stuff thing. Jessica is hands down the best girl in this imo, a damn tragedy.

Elea I do like since she seems the most normal at the moment, though she is interested in myths and legends so will likely be dragged into it somehow.

Fiona Is the closest to no.1 out of the 4 real LI's largely because she is a redhead and Irish, redhead supremacy!. Also has a doggo for bonus points.

Medb or "Mass Effect Data Base" as I started to read her name since I don't know how to pronounce it, Is fine but again the whole ending of the last part felt off to me and she may not be super trustworthy yet.

And as already said, Jessica is best girl hands down, no question. People are talking about going scorched earth for Finn, I however, will go scorched earth on anyone who hurts Jessica.

 

[e6mill]

And as already said, Jessica is best girl hands down, no question. People are talking about going scorched earth for Finn, I however, will go scorched earth on anyone who hurts Jessica.

What kind of monster would give your mom & sis this kind of cake in a non-'cest game?

 

[TrixRabbit]

Caught up on the current version, think knowing about Finn stopped me caring too much about her since It felt kind of pointless to do so but I did end up liking her enough to still be bummed out. Honestly though I feel like there's something off about her death, not just that It's way to convenient to blame the Templars, It was almost certainly the 3rd party but just how quick It seemed and I'm just not a fan of off screen deaths in general.

For the main and I guess only real LI's I can't say there's one I am sold on completely, went Kaija's love path since I expected her to be way worse after reading this thread, I didn't so much trust Kaija as I did Jessica and the whole girls just know the stuff thing. Jessica is hands down the best girl in this imo, a damn tragedy.

Elea I do like since she seems the most normal at the moment, though she is interested in myths and legends so will likely be dragged into it somehow.

Fiona Is the closest to no.1 out of the 4 real LI's largely because she is a redhead and Irish, redhead supremacy!. Also has a doggo for bonus points.

Medb or "Mass Effect Data Base" as I started to read her name since I don't know how to pronounce it, Is fine but again the whole ending of the last part felt off to me and she may not be super trustworthy yet.

And as already said, Jessica is best girl hands down, no question. People are talking about going scorched earth for Finn, I however, will go scorched earth on anyone who hurts Jessica.

Jessica is great and I'm glad there isn't an incest path. That would be weird in this game, and I wouldn't take it anyway. Having her as your unshakable best friend is great.

Finn was my #1 in this game, even though she was never meant to be a real Li - I would have just been with her, even if she didn't have much content. So far it's the only relationship in this game that feels earned - as opposed to you show up and she falls for you.

Fionna is next out of the big 4 but she's hiding something big - we don't even know her real name. When MC meets her she says "My name is F ...iona" and there are a few times when she looks at MC and does a sad sigh when he's not looking. Also not sure about her age. She keeps talking about dark secrets in her past but she looks like she's mid 20s maybe ... anyway. I like her but she's sus.

Medb I like very much, but she doesn't work for me as a Li. She's like 2000 years old, MC would just be a footnote in her biography. You wouldn't even have much to talk about, she already knows pretty much everything, or she doesn't care enough to learn it. Plus, having my best girl die and then turning around and starting a relationship with her mom feels weird to me.

Elea is just not interesting to me at all. Never found her particularly attractive or interesting. She's a co-worker who is good to go to lunch with sometimes and that's about it.

Kaija - I could absolutely never trust again. She would have to leave the templars behind completely, and get a normal job where she was home every night for me to even think about it. No more late nights, no more "business trips", no more mysterious phone calls - and not even in the civilian /non-combatant part of the Templars.

I have 6 saves, 1 for Fionna, 1 for Medb (even though), 1 for Kaija - but I still burned bridges and that save will probably die in the next update, and then 3 for side girls ... just because I'm unsatisfied with the main girls: Anissa, Kate and Kari.

 

[TheNowhereWolf]

Jessica is great and I'm glad there isn't an incest path. That would be weird in this game, and I wouldn't take it anyway. Having her as your unshakable best friend is great.

Finn was my #1 in this game, even though she was never meant to be a real Li - I would have just been with her, even if she didn't have much content. So far it's the only relationship in this game that feels earned - as opposed to you show up and she falls for you.

Fionna is next out of the big 4 but she's hiding something big - we don't even know her real name. When MC meets her she says "My name is F ...iona" and there are a few times when she looks at MC and does a sad sigh when he's not looking. Also not sure about her age. She keeps talking about dark secrets in her past but she looks like she's mid 20s maybe ... anyway. I like her but she's sus.

Medb I like very much, but she doesn't work for me as a Li. She's like 2000 years old, MC would just be a footnote in her biography. You wouldn't even have much to talk about, she already knows pretty much everything, or she doesn't care enough to learn it. Plus, having my best girl die and then turning around and starting a relationship with her mom feels weird to me.

Elea is just not interesting to me at all. Never found her particularly attractive or interesting. She's a co-worker who is good to go to lunch with sometimes and that's about it.

Kaija - I could absolutely never trust again. She would have to leave the templars behind completely, and get a normal job where she was home every night for me to even think about it. No more late nights, no more "business trips", no more mysterious phone calls - and not even in the civilian /non-combatant part of the Templars.

I have 6 saves, 1 for Fionna, 1 for Medb (even though), 1 for Kaija - but I still burned bridges and that save will probably die in the next update, and then 3 for side girls ... just because I'm unsatisfied with the main girls: Anissa, Kate and Kari.

For sure agree that incest would be too weird, wouldn't hate getting an ending with her just as a brother/sister team thing if you choose no one.

Agree with the Mebd age thing, would like her more If It wasn't just small part of her life, though Finn would have had the same problem for me.

Fiona does have something going on, could be bad but my weakness for redheads is too strong.

Side girls are kind of meh, only ones I have any interest in are Kate and Helena.

 

[minibaer12]

to Jessica. In my save, a deep rift runs through the family and Jessica is right in the middle of it. It remains to be seen how the dev develops her further and how she handles the family situation, but at the current stage I wouldn't rule out a rift with Jessica. On the other hand, the "brother-sister story" you described could be very interesting. As the Alfar Queen has already noted, she has a lot of potential. But I don't see anything more than "brother-sister love" here.

to Kaija: This bitch has no right to exist in my saves at all! Unfortunately, there is a fear that when he returns, some kind of communication/interaction will take place with her and with the MC's parents (which I have no desire/interest in at all). I will take a close look at the upcoming dialogues/actions in v0.6, as they give an indication of how seriously the dev takes the "Burning Bridges" thing. I fear a soft path!

about Fiona/Elea: I don't see anything more than superficial friendships here. They're a nice way to pass the time, but that's about it. Perhaps something could develop with Fiona in the future, as she seems to be (still) withholding information from the MC that could be of interest to the MC.

about Medb: I've since changed my opinion of her. At the moment she's used to gather information and for extensive Alfar combat training and an additional session with King Oberon, which could prove useful later. But more? Well, I agree with the previous speaker; it feels strange to be involved with a 1000-2000 year old Alfar.

Conclusion: My MC has more important priorities than jumping into the "love fray". From my perspective, the female material currently on offer really doesn't blow me away.

 

[Tremonia]

What kind of monster would give your mom & sis this kind of cake in non-cest game?

Why? It's a family with good genes. Nothing wrong with it.

 

[nitkonikic]

to Kaija: This bitch has no right to exist in my saves at all! Unfortunately, there is a fear that when he returns, some kind of communication/interaction will take place with her and with the MC's parents (which I have no desire/interest in at all). I will take a close look at the upcoming dialogues/actions in v0.6, as they give an indication of how seriously the dev takes the "Burning Bridges" thing. I fear a soft path!

I might be speaking nonsense, but 90% certain it was mentioned in this thread (lord knows where) that "burned bridges" will actually be proper burned bridges and that it was confirmed on Discord or something.

Don't hold me on that, but I'm certain I've read it here.
Heaven knows I hope that's true, and if my MC never sees their faces again, it will be best outcome possible.

As for Kaija, as much as I hate her, don't think there's any viable way to resolve Templar/Alfar conflict without her being involved. So even with full on "hate" route (0 points), I can definitely see her play a major role in events.

 

[xapican]

I might be speaking nonsense, but 90% certain it was mentioned in this thread (lord knows where) that "burned bridges" will actually be proper burned bridges and that it was confirmed on Discord or something.

Correct, I read it too it was around ..... well as Ch 5 dropped and It was the "Master" himself who said that. (Ceolag)

 

[Maviarab]

As the Alfar Queen has already noted, she has a lot of potential

No, she didn't.

Doesn't anyone actually read my posts? I know I have a laugh a lot, but I never quote supposition or opinion as facts. My posts are perhaps the most factual in this damn thread when directly referring to the story/plot and what has or has not been said (on every route).

I might be speaking nonsense, but 90% certain it was mentioned in this thread (lord knows where) that "burned bridges" will actually be proper burned bridges and that it was confirmed on Discord or something.

You are correct. Going full burned bridges will be done. We will get one more opportunity to make ammends but if we don't...that is it. How Jessica will deal with this remains to be seen. I have full trust in Ceo's writing though.

 

[minibaer12]

I might be speaking nonsense, but 90% certain it was mentioned in this thread (lord knows where) that "burned bridges" will actually be proper burned bridges and that it was confirmed on Discord or something.

Don't hold me on that, but I'm certain I've read it here.
Heaven knows I hope that's true, and if my MC never sees their faces again, it will be best outcome possible.

As for Kaija, as much as I hate her, don't think there's any viable way to resolve Templar/Alfar conflict without her being involved. So even with full on "hate" route (0 points), I can definitely see her play a major role in events.

I'll go with you, but you probably won't get out of her way completely.

No, she didn't.

Doesn't anyone actually read my posts? I know I have a laugh a lot, but I never quote supposition or opinion as facts. My posts are perhaps the most factual in this damn thread when directly referring to the story/plot and what has or has not been said (on every route).

Was it Medb then? I don't remember, I haven't played the game in a long time.

 

[TrixRabbit]

I might be speaking nonsense, but 90% certain it was mentioned in this thread (lord knows where) that "burned bridges" will actually be proper burned bridges and that it was confirmed on Discord or something.

Don't hold me on that, but I'm certain I've read it here.
Heaven knows I hope that's true, and if my MC never sees their faces again, it will be best outcome possible.

As for Kaija, as much as I hate her, don't think there's any viable way to resolve Templar/Alfar conflict without her being involved. So even with full on "hate" route (0 points), I can definitely see her play a major role in events.

I don't know if it will change anything going forward or not but Dev seems to be taking a lot of flack here and on Discord (not sure about Itch or Steam) because a) a lot of people are unhappy about Finn and b) a lot of people are unhappy with the Li selection. Lis do not seem to be this devs strong suit.

 

[HornyyPussy]

Trix, what is your favorite thing in the world to do?

Oh oh! I know Teach!!!!

It's hating Kaija!!!!!!


Was I right?

Doesn't anyone actually read my posts?

Rhetorical or do you want me to answer?

 

[Maviarab]

Was it Medb then? I don't remember, I haven't played the game in a long time.

Just two recent posts.

We don't know she has....just one throwaway line from Mab. Again, don't state things as facts when they are not (currently). Mab could say wasted potential because she has none.... Unlike the MC, Jess has shown zero capability of and in anything.

Glass half empty or full?

Suppositiion only in this thread based off a throwaway comment which could actually equally mean just the opposite. Really getting tired of having to explain this (especially when so far, as seen, Jessica has shown zero aptitude for anything, so the actual in-game proof is the opposite of what people just blindly assume and jump to conclusions with over Mab's comment). Will also add to this, Mab is not error proof, if on the kill Finn route, Mab is quite surprised you genuinly know nothing about the templars when she 'questions' you (and not that you can stop her from entering your mind)...the dangers of blind assumption.

Mab says (when looking in Jessica's direction after 'reading her') 'Such wasted potential' It's a throwaway line said almost in disgust as she leaves. That's all that is said. No context other than her not being able to completely mind dominate the MC moments earlier. This could mean literally anything from has potential to be more than she is (a goofy girl who takes nothing seriously), has dormant magical/superpower potential herself but is too lazy to ever realise it...could have had potential (due to us not really being 100% sure about knowing our real family connections ) or literally...having none whatsoever.

I'm really not sure (well, I am actually *sighs*) why people took this throwaway comment towards a bit of a ditzy girl who has shown zero....zero aptitude towards anything special, the facts (currently, as we write) simply do not support it.

Also, on a tangent from this line of thought, given we already know (fact, from the dev) that a lot of the story is linnear and the 'endings' with the LI's will be largely LI flavour dependant...then given that (once again...blind assumption and a lack of actual comprehension) that we can choose not to resist the succubus, rather throws a lot of doubt on the MC being some super God or a different race or having dormant and latent magical abilities....though that is still possible.

Rhetorical or do you want me to answer?

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[SamualHand]

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Man?

 

[Tremonia]

I don't know if it will change anything going forward or not but Dev seems to be taking a lot of flack here and on Discord (not sure about Itch or Steam) because a) a lot of people are unhappy about Finn and b) a lot of people are unhappy with the Li selection. Lis do not seem to be this devs strong suit.

Are you drinking? At this time of the day?

 

[nitkonikic]

I don't know if it will change anything going forward or not but Dev seems to be taking a lot of flack here and on Discord (not sure about Itch or Steam) because a) a lot of people are unhappy about Finn and b) a lot of people are unhappy with the Li selection. Lis do not seem to be this devs strong suit.

Quite frankly, I hope he completely ignores those complaints and keeps on making game he wants to make.
Not much else to add there, as I don't care much about outside stuff and only talk about what's ingame.
Game development is in devs hands, that's perfectly fine for me.

If Ceo disappeared for few months without notice, I'd probably comment on it, otherwise it's none of my business.
His game, his decisions.

I also disagree on both points being weak and consider both great, but hey, to each his own.

P.S. What flack here?
I'm literally on this thread since v0.2 released, and what flack? People seem to like Finn and mostly consider her death sucks, but almost no one (few random exceptions) gave dev any flack for it.

 

[Maviarab]

Quite frankly, I hope he completely ignores those complaints and keeps on making game he wants to make.
Not much else to add there, as I don't care much about outside stuff and only talk about what's ingame.
Game development is in devs hands, that's perfectly fine for me.

If Ceo disappeared for few months without notice, I'd probably comment on it, otherwise it's none of my business.
His game, his decisions.

I also disagree on both points being weak and consider both great, but hey, to each his own.

P.S. What flack here?
I'm literally on this thread since v0.2 released, and what flack? People seem to like Finn and mostly consider her death sucks, but almost no one (few random exceptions) gave dev any flack for it.

1000% this. Well said.

I've noticed the last few weeks there seems to be a few new people to the thread who have some axe to grind for some reason.... Hopefully they will leave as quickly as they appeared.