VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

[Wolfram99]

He will join right after you, literally.

First, Orla is a she.
Secondly, EEEWWW.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Guessing that the dog is not just a dog.

That doesn't make it better for me

 

[Wolfram99]

That doesn't make it better for me

The important thing is for that encounter to not look like this.

 

[Pixillin']

That doesn't make it better for me

Yeah, I get that. The dog doesn't really worry me. Whatever she's hiding does. Right now she's one of the only contenders left for me though. It's her and Kate, unless someone else is introduced and right now Kate has the edge.

 

[Knightcvel]

Yeah, I get that. The dog doesn't really worry me. Whatever she's hiding does. Right now she's one of the only contenders left for me though. It's her and Kate, unless someone else is introduced and right now Kate has the edge.

I was seeing some art on gallery. Fiona is running and in some of them she seems like a female green arrow. Any cues about her hidden nature? What are those green folk beings from Ireland? Leprechauns?

 

[Knightcvel]

I just finished chapter 5. Is it possible that Finnabair is just missing in action?

 

[Pixillin']

I was seeing some art on gallery. Fiona is running and in some of them she seems like a female green arrow. Any cues about her hidden nature? What are those green folk beings from Ireland? Leprechauns?

Not, I think a Leprechan. I would guess that she is somehow related to Fionn Mac Cumhaill (From Irish mythology - used to travel with a pair of hounds, but I could be wrong. There is a whole thread for Lore and Legends related to the Neverwhere Tales.

 

[Pixillin']

I just finished chapter 5. Is it possible that Finnabair is just missing in action?

Did you not go to the funeral? It's pretty unlikely unless they burned someone else.

 

[Knightcvel]

Did you not go to the funeral? It's pretty unlikely unless they burned someone else.

I don't know what I am doing wrong but I can't reach some options. I just heard Medb telling to pack and go away because she was killed and war is coming.

 

[Pixillin']

I don't know what I am doing wrong but I can't reach some options. I just heard Medb telling to pack and go away because she was killed and war is coming.

Hmm must not have had enough points with Medb - after she says that, she pauses grits her teeth and tells you you should come to the funeral.

 

[ename144]

Pfff..
Now this is an ass...not that pathetic attempt of earlier

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There's no denying that Medb is an ass.

I don't know what I am doing wrong but I can't reach some options. I just heard Medb telling to pack and go away because she was killed and war is coming.

It is unfortunately very easy to miss the funeral scene if you don't get on well with Medb, and still possible to miss it even if you do (though not as easy to miss as it was originally). IMHO skipping that scene really derails the end of the chapter, but the dev feels strongly that Medb would never tolerate the MC attending Finnabair's funeral merely because he was her friend.

 

[Pixillin']

It is unfortunately very easy to miss the funeral scene if you don't get on well with Medb, and still possible to miss it even if you do (though harder than it was originally). IMHO skipping that scene really derails the end of the chapter, but the dev feels strongly that Medb would never tolerate the MC attending Finnabair's funeral merely because he was her friend.

Even when she does invite you, she's conflicted. Her daughter was just killed by Templars and in part she still sees you as a Templar but - if you've behaved yourself, you've shown that you are different from what she is used to - from humans and Templars - you've impressed Medb, their king and you were close to Finn. So after telling you you have to go, she pauses by the door, looks at the ceiling and says that you should come - because Finnabair would have wanted you there.

 

[Knightcvel]

Obviously people are free to feel differently, but motive and intent matters a lot to me. I'm much more likely to allow potential atonement and reconciliation if the motive behind a breach of trust was benevolent rather than malicious, even if the immediate result was the same. And at the core level, wanting to protect your children and give them a better life is benevolent, even if the way they tried to do it was dumb.

I have the conviction that you can and must keep secrets from your enemies because they will use every information to harm you. That's the justification to keep the order hidden, for instance and the identity of each of the templars a secret: protection against enemies. But you should not keep secrets from friends, family, spouses, loved ones. You must be open to them and tell everything to prepare them, make them able to deal with trouble when it arises and PROTECT them from the emotional effects of having a hidden secret disclosed and trust harmed. Secrets kept from loved ones are always toxic, and the damage is produced not because they are disclosed but because they were kept in first place. Secrets are a commom plot device in fiction just because they will demand a lot of resources from protagonists to be kept, it will stress them, consume mental energy and put them in conflict and after the reveal there will be the devastating effect on those who were kept in the dark and had their trust destroyed. So, keep secrets to protect someone? OK. But from enemies, not from beloved ones.

 

[yossa999]

I don't know what I am doing wrong but I can't reach some options. I just heard Medb telling to pack and go away because she was killed and war is coming.

Instead of hating Kaija, you should have befriended Finn.
If she considers you a friend, then she calls you "min ebra" and then Medb will allow you to attend the funeral.

 

[Rehwyn]

I have the conviction that you can and must keep secrets from your enemies because they will use every information to harm you. That's the justification to keep the order hidden, for instance and the identity of each of the templars a secret: protection against enemies. But you should not keep secrets from friends, family, spouses, loved ones. You must be open to them and tell everything to prepare them, make them able to deal with trouble when it arises and PROTECT them from the emotional effects of having a hidden secret disclosed and trust harmed. Secrets kept from loved ones are always toxic, and the damage is produced not because they are disclosed but because they were kept in first place. Secrets are a commom plot device in fiction just because they will demand a lot of resources from protagonists to be kept, it will stress them, consume mental energy and put them in conflict and after the reveal there will be the devastating effect on those who were kept in the dark and had their trust destroyed. So, keep secrets to protect someone? OK. But from enemies, not from beloved ones.

I think you misunderstood me. My statement was not that keeping that secret from their children was beneficial, but that their decision to do so ultimately was from benevolent (if misguided) intent. And that when it comes to forgiveness and reconciliation, it is much easier for me to consider that when the intent that preceded the wrong is benevolent rather than malevolent.

Regardless of the result, MC's parents' intent was to try to protect and give their children a better life. This is vastly different from an ethical standpoint than if their intent was to harm them, even if the direct result was the same. There's a reason why determining intent is often so important in the court of law, and for me it applies as well to forgiveness and reconciliation.

 

[ename144]

Instead of hating Kaija, you should have befriended Finn.
If she considers you a friend, then she calls you "min ebra" and then Medb will allow you to attend the funeral.

Unfortunately, no. Befriending Finnabair is necessary (and it will get you some helpful points), but it's not enough to get you into the funeral on its own. You need to make a very good impression on Medb to mourn your friend.

 

[Wolfram99]

Unfortunately, no. Befriending Finnabair is necessary (and it will get you some helpful points), but it's not enough to get you into the funeral on its own. You need to make a very good impression on Medb to mourn your friend.

Actually, now it is easy AF.
All you have to do is after the mercy option, select "how she feels about that" and also "Pet the pussy" when it comes up, otherwise all you need is 13 LP's to get an invite.

 

[yossa999]

Unfortunately, no. Befriending Finnabair is necessary (and it will get you some helpful points), but it's not enough to get you into the funeral on its own. You need to make a very good impression on Medb to mourn your friend.

Yeah, right, I omitted that because the guys already discussed it before me. But even if you're on good terms with Medb, Finn should consider you a friend. While I have my doubts, if you genuinely hate Kaija for her "lies", how you can be on a good terms with Medb, she doesn't seem to be known for being particularly honest or friendly with MC at the beginning.

 

[yossa999]

Actually, now it is easy AF.
All you have to do is after the mercy option, select "how she feels about that" and also "Pet the pussy" when it comes up, otherwise all you need is 13 LP's to get an invite.

Refuse to sit on the bench with Medb or decline her invitation to Elven Culture lessons and see what happens.
EDIT: I'm playing Steam version if anything.

 

[Wolfram99]

Refuse to sit on the bench with Medb or decline her invitation to Elven Culture lessons and see what happens.
EDIT: I'm playing Steam version if anything.

The main requirement for Invitation is getting the Min Ebra status, the LP's>13 come second.