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VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

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Silverthorn

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Am I the only one that wanted to throw something at the MC for being an idiot when Paul came to pick him up? The only thing you know about this guy is his name and instead of asking him what his name is to verify if he's the right guy you say, "Are you Paul?" You have the survival instincts of a drunk lemming.
 
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Grumpy Old Aussie

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Am I the only one that wanted to throw something at the MC for being an idiot when Paul came to pick him up? The only thing you know about this guy is his name and instead of asking him what his name is to verify if he's the right guy you say, "Are you Paul?" You have the survival instincts of a drunk lemming.
He trusted his mother. His mother told him to get in the car. He wasn't happy about it, he wanted an explanation, but his mother didn't care to offer too many details except the driver's name. Imagine that, his mother hiding things :rolleyes:
 

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Am I the only one that wanted to throw something at the MC for being an idiot when Paul came to pick him up? The only thing you know about this guy is his name and instead of asking him what his name is to verify if he's the right guy you say, "Are you Paul?" You have the survival instincts of a drunk lemming.
There are severap points where I want to throw something at MC, but this wasn't one of them. Remember at this point in the story, MC doesn't know anything about anything so it's no weirder to him than taking an Uber. Even if he knows he's potentially in danger, people who have never been in actual mortal danger do not ever really understand. I suspect that if the same thing happened the next day, MC's reaction would have been very different.
 

Silverthorn

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He trusted his mother. His mother told him to get in the car. He wasn't happy about it, he wanted an explanation, but his mother didn't care to offer too many details except the driver's name. Imagine that, his mother hiding things :rolleyes:
It's not trusting his mother that's the issue. It's the question he asked. The smart question would be, "What's your name?"

If you ask, "Are you Paul?" and it is not, in fact, Paul, but rather the kidnapper, their answer would still be "Yes." And now you'll be kidnapped.
 

Silverthorn

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There are severap points where I want to throw something at MC, but this wasn't one of them. Remember at this point in the story, MC doesn't know anything about anything so it's no weirder to him than taking an Uber. Even if he knows he's potentially in danger, people who have never been in actual mortal danger do not ever really understand. I suspect that if the same thing happened the next day, MC's reaction would have been very different.
When you take an Uber they are supposed to say their name. You are not supposed to ask for it. I don't even use Uber and I know that. Why even ask the name of the person picking you up if you're just going to blurt it out as soon as you see him?
 

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It's not trusting his mother that's the issue. It's the question he asked. The smart question would be, "What's your name?"

If you ask, "Are you Paul?" and it is not, in fact, Paul, but rather the kidnapper, their answer would still be "Yes." And now you'll be kidnapped.
I agree, but I can understand him not asking. He was shocked, his father was kidnapped and his brain was in "What the FUCK mode" He just did what his mother told him. His instincts were still buried by the news he just found out.

I can't imagine how I would react if I was at work minding my own business, my biggest concern being what to have for lunch. Suddenly, your mother rings and says your father is kidnapped, you have to flee work or be captured or killed. It would take a bit for the shock to wear off and the brain to engage. Everyone reacts differently under duress.

Even more scary for me is my father is dead. SO I would really be blown away. :LOL:
 

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I agree, but I can understand him not asking. He was shocked, his father was kidnapped and his brain was in "What the FUCK mode" He just did what his mother told him. His instincts were still buried by the news he just found out.

I can't imagine how I would react if I was at work minding my own business, my biggest concern being what to have for lunch. Suddenly, your mother rings and says your father is kidnapped, you have to flee work or be captured or killed. It would take a bit for the shock to wear off and the brain to engage. Everyone reacts differently under duress.

Even more scary for me is my father is dead. SO I would really be blown away. :LOL:
And it’s just not in his realm of experience. No one knows how they’re going to react in a crisis until it happens and I doubt if this MC has ever been in a real crisis. It’s not like he’s an experienced agent who knows how to take the proper precautions. He’s a desk clerk for an insurance company. This is a big part of the reason why his parents were lying to him was stupid. It was just a matter of when, not if, he’d be in a life and death situation and they didn’t prepare him at all.
 

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And it’s just not in his realm of experience. No one knows how they’re going to react in a crisis until it happens and I doubt if this MC has ever been in a real crisis. It’s not like he’s an experienced agent who knows how to take the proper precautions. He’s a desk clerk for an insurance company. This is a big part of the reason why his parents were lying to him was stupid. It was just a matter of when, not if, he’d be in a life and death situation and they didn’t prepare him at all.
Keeping him in the dark for protecting him from the dangers of Neverwhere is so stupid that I don't believe it is true. The leader of an organization who keeps finances and operations would be wiser than that. He himself is the son of a couple of templars who introduced him to that world and trained him. It's something that is a tradition in his family, and basically all his ancestors were templars and I doubt he would put an end to his linage sucession and tradition just because he was afraid it was dangerous. It makes no sense. In my opinion, they were hiding the truth to prevent him of manifesting his supernatural powers and the council decided to put him under vigilance to give a warning as soon as it happened. MC is not their son, or is the son of just one of them, or is a genetic experiment like the Kwisatz Haderach in Dune. I don't know, but that talk they had at his parents house after his father rescue is just another layer of lies to provide plausible deniability: satisfying his mind with a story that doesn't reveal the true reality of his nature. The fact of the council ordering his vigilance, and mercs trying to capture him only means that he is not the son of a templar, but an ASSET and a potencial menace.
 

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Keeping him in the dark for protecting him from the dangers of Neverwhere is so stupid that I don't believe it is true. The leader of an organization who keeps finances and operations would be wiser than that. He himself is the son of a couple of templars who introduced him to that world and trained him. It's something that is a tradition in his family, and basically all his ancestors were templars and I doubt he would put an end to his linage sucession and tradition just because he was afraid it was dangerous. It makes no sense. In my opinion, they were hiding the truth to prevent him of manifesting his supernatural powers and the council decided to put him under vigilance to give a warning as soon as it happened. MC is not their son, or is the son of just one of them, or is a genetic experiment like the Kwisatz Haderach in Dune. I don't know, but that talk they had at his parents house after his father rescue is just another layer of lies to provide plausible deniability: satisfying his mind with a story that doesn't reveal the true reality of his nature. The fact of the council ordering his vigilance, and mercs trying to capture him only means that he is not the son of a templar, but an ASSET and a potencial menace.
I think so too or something similar anyway. The way Kajia kinda freaked when he killed that guy is a clue - though she quickly regained her composure. It was also immediately after that attack that he began to manifest magical abilities (like resisting the succubus and being able to see the cloaked … thing, whatever that was).
 

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I think so too or something similar anyway. The way Kajia kinda freaked when he killed that guy is a clue - though she quickly regained her composure. It was also immediately after that attack that he began to manifest magical abilities (like resisting the succubus and being able to see the cloaked … thing, whatever that was).
Yes, those abilities are not dependent of the sword as most think. He is able to resist succubi, able to see behind magic cloaking where humans and elves cannot, he resisted the queen's mind control, he acquired fighting skills very fast, atracted the attention of Fiona, who is a magical creature who is also interested on him... I think the Ice Queen is the one who could provide him with cues to the truth as she probed his mind and saw his true nature even if that is unknown to him. But be aware that killing the merc is optional and won't affect him acquiring his powers.
 

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I think so too or something similar anyway. The way Kajia kinda freaked when he killed that guy is a clue - though she quickly regained her composure. It was also immediately after that attack that he began to manifest magical abilities (like resisting the succubus and being able to see the cloaked … thing, whatever that was).
Honestly, I think you're looking into this particular reaction from Kaija a bit more than is likely warranted. For many (if not most) people in real life, killing someone even in self defense can be a traumatic experience, particularly if they aren't trained to emotionally deal with it. Considering part of her mission wasn't just to keep him physically safe but also protect him from having to deal with that type of violence and trauma, witnessing him having to take a life could be a bit of a shock. It could have been something else, but I would seriously be surprised.
 

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Honestly, I think you're looking into this particular reaction from Kaija a bit more than is likely warranted. For many (if not most) people in real life, killing someone even in self defense can be a traumatic experience, particularly if they aren't trained to emotionally deal with it. Considering part of her mission wasn't just to keep him physically safe but also protect him from having to deal with that type of violence and trauma, witnessing him having to take a life could be a bit of a shock. It could have been something else, but I would seriously be surprised.
It's optional. She won't be distressed in the friendship path and knocking the merc won't trigger any further reaction from her.
 

Rehwyn

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It's optional. She won't be distressed in the friendship path and knocking the merc won't trigger any further reaction from her.
If it's only on the love path she reacts that way, that makes me even more convinced it's because of genuine shock MC had to kill someone and how that could negatively affect his mental health. If it was because of some secret about MC, she'd have reason to react that way on every path.
 

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If it's only on the love path she reacts that way, that makes me even more convinced it's because of genuine shock MC had to kill someone and how that could negatively affect his mental health. If it was because of some secret about MC, she'd have reason to react that way on every path.
At that point in the game I don't think you're really on any path yet, but I'm definitely not on the love path with her and her reaction seems over the top to me, in that situation. She doesn't seem so much worried about you as worried about what you've done. Edit: In any case it's right after that (or the next night) when you suddenly start displaying magic powers
 
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At that point in the game I don't think you're really on any path yet, but I'm definitely not on the love path with her and her reaction seems over the top to me, in that situation. She doesn't seem so much worried about you as worried about what you've done. Edit: In any case it's right after that (or the next night) when you suddenly start displaying magic powers
Knightcvel was correct. There's two versions of her reaction based on her love points, so there is in fact path branching here already.
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You most likely start displaying magical powers because you start being exposed to situations where they'd become apparent. There's zero reason he couldn't have had those powers for years and just not known about it. There's no way to know he could resist a succubus if he wasn't exposed to one, for example.
 
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Knightcvel was correct. There's two versions of her reaction based on her love points, so there is in fact path branching here already.
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You most likely start displaying magical powers because you start being exposed to situations where they'd become apparent. There's zero reason he couldn't have had those powers for years and just not known about it. There's no way to know he could resist a succubus if he wasn't exposed to one, for example.
You're a patient man Reh :sneaky:
 

Knightcvel

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Well, the point is that MC is more than human, he cannot be the son of Roland and Helga, at least not both. Multi generational templars would not simply break the tradition of having sucessors in their next generation only because it could be dangerous, after all, they are aware of the risks and could mitigate them by training and by raising them in their headquarters under full vigilance. There is much more than meets the eye here and the talk with his "parents" only adds a layer of plausible deniabilty to hide the real truth about his nature, origin and capabilities.
 

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Well, the point is that MC is more than human, he cannot be the son of Roland and Helga, at least not both. Multi generational templars would not simply break the tradition of having sucessors in their next generation only because it could be dangerous, after all, they are aware of the risks and could mitigate them by training and by raising them in their headquarters under full vigilance. There is much more than meets the eye here and the talk with his "parents" only adds a layer of plausible deniabilty to hide the real truth about his nature, origin and capabilities.
With the dwindling Templar numbers i could see the parents making a decision that the kids should be left to live in a world without magic, a world that they are trying to preserve.
You are saying he is not their son due to wanting Jess to be a side LI so patreon wouldn't interfere? not that sneaky of you.
Since Mab referred to Jess as a waste of potential it seems that she carries the "gene" that makes MC whatever he is, maybe it just hasn't activated yet like it did with MC.

Do we know if the grandfather of MC was also a head templar? Or is it just the Dad that was the head honcho of templars in his bloodline?
 
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