VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

[ename144]

It sort of did, at least Medb had the best claim to it of anyone that we know if since it belonged to her (adopted - human) brother. We don't know where it was for the last 700 years but didn't MC offer it back to her when she told the story?

Eh, I'd dispute her claim since AFAICT the sword has been missing for at least as long as it was in the Aflar's care (possibly far longer given the subjective speed of time in Alfheimr). Not to mention that her claim has dubious merit to begin with since Medb doesn't know how the Alfar came to posses Durendal in the first place; if it was bequeathed to them by a rightful owner you'd think they'd remember that rather than assume they had created it.

At any rate, I agree with the initial point that Medb's assertions shouldn't be taken as gospel truth. At best they're prone to error (like with Durendal's origins), at worst they're little better than propaganda (like the statement that Templars killed her brother).

 

[xapican]

Eh, I'd dispute her claim since AFAICT the sword has been missing for at least as long as it was in the Aflar's care (possibly far longer given the subjective speed of time in Alfheimr). Not to mention that her claim has dubious merit to begin with since Medb doesn't know how the Alfar came to posses Durendal in the first place; if it was bequeathed to them by a rightful owner you'd think they'd remember that rather than assume they had created it.

At any rate, I agree with the initial point that Medb's assertions shouldn't be taken as gospel truth. At best they're prone to error (like with Durendal's origins), at worst they're little better than propaganda (like the statement that Templars killed her brother).

sorry Ename, but Medb's distrust is against humanity, her grudge against Templars is that they failed to protect her Brother as he was burnt in that Friday 13 togheter with the Grandmasters of the Order.

 

[ename144]

sorry Ename, but Medb's distrust is against humanity, her grudge against Templars is that they failed to protect her Brother as he was burnt in that Friday 13 togheter with the Grandmasters of the Order.

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but Medb flatly states Templars killed her brother... before going on to describe events that, at best, show they convinced him to support a cause that eventually got him killed by non-Templars. I classify that as propaganda, literally blaming the victims for the actions of their victimizers.

Medb's statements should not be taken at face value, not without further proof anyway.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

In short, the elves come up with some Obi Wan-esque bullshit.

 

[xapican]

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but Medb flatly states Templars killed her brother... before going on to describe events that, at best, show they convinced him to support a cause that eventually got him killed by non-Templars. I classify that as propaganda, literally blaming the victims for the actions of their victimizers.
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Medb's statements should not be taken at face value, not without further proof anyway.

Yes, exactly, what I meant and was getting at, I just presented the (my) conclusion without exposing the path.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Yes, exactly, what I meant and was getting at, I just presented the (my) conclusion without exposing the path.

Careful. You can't be saying things like elves being unreliable and biased too. Remember, around these parts only Templars do that.

 

[xapican]

Careful. You can't be saying things like elves being unreliable and biased too. Remember, around these parts only Templars do that.

I think it is a cope mechanism, from Medb, that is all which makes her unreliable and volatile, not to say biased, Mab is more assertive in her stance.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

I think it is a cope mechanism, from Medb, that is all which makes her unreliable and volatile, not to say biased, Mab is more assertive in her stance.

Similar to Kaija who I get the impression emotionally and psychologically needs her stance to be correct or else a bunch of things in her life would be wrong and start falling apart.

 

[Knightcvel]

Similar to Kaija who I get the impression emotionally and psychologically needs her stance to be correct or else a bunch of things in her life would be wrong and start falling apart.

Kaija is a brainwashed cultist. Medb is member of an ethnicity who suffer prejudice and therefore developed coping attitudes against a real aggressor who killed elves and could kill her when possible. She maybe wrong when she says a given event was caused by templars (I think she is wrong) but she has life experience from their past conflicts that it could be the case.

 

[Pixillin']

Kaija is a brainwashed cultist. Medb is member of an ethnicity who suffer prejudice and therefore developed coping attitudes against a real aggressor who killed elves and could kill her when possible. She maybe wrong when she says a given event was caused by templars (I think she is wrong) but she has life experience from their past conflicts that it could be the case.

Personally I think the Templars were at least involved. Once you spare Finn, Medb's ice breaks really quickly. She spends her evenings talking to MC about history, the Templars, the Alfir and their culture - so this is every evening for 7 weeks, and as far as I can tell she didn't lie about anything. She is, at least, far more open and honest than MC's parents ever were. Even if I have doubts (I don't really) I don't think MC would. I mean he just came from a situation where he found out his parents and his live in girlfriend / childhood friend had been lying to him his entire life about everything (If they lied to him about the really big stuff, who knows how much little stuff they lied about), then he meets the other Templars and finds out they're mostly a buch of whiny backstabbing bitches - then he goes to meet the elves, after the templars have told him how awful they are, and after sparing Finn and proving he's not like them - they basically treat him like family, (Another thing the Templars lied about) teach him how to fight, teach him about the last thousand years or so of the Elves, the Templars, Neverwhere - tell him about his sword, its magical properties and his history - I think that when Medb shows up and tells him the Templars killed Finn - he believes her. I don't think that it fits right in with everything he already thinks about them (they've even told him how much they hate the elves).

Edit: Do I (as a player) think there was a 3rd party involved? Maybe. But I think that it was a templar sword that ended Finn's life and I don't think Finn started it.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Kaija is a brainwashed cultist. Medb is member of an ethnicity who suffer prejudice and therefore developed coping attitudes against a real aggressor who killed elves and could kill her when possible. She maybe wrong when she says a given event was caused by templars (I think she is wrong) but she has life experience from their past conflicts that it could be the case.

You don't need to "think she's wrong" about her brother. Mebd herself contradicts herself and describes separate perpetrators. So she herself knows she's wrong but she needs to keep the cognitive dissonance, blame Templars despite knowing otherwise, to make it personal. And she's willing to kill despite knowing herself she's wrong. Both factions are like this. Can't fully trust their narratives.

Its been said to death and back again in this thread, both sides are manipulated to do terrible things and war against each other. Probably by a third party. Fog of war. No fully reliable narrators, deception abound, angry people lashing out without full picture, repeat process.

But its ok, everyone is addicted to "kill them all" about who they don't like so this will be said again to death and back.
(though the memes that come out of it are fun so keep going I guess)

I guess in some way the dev is a genius in a meta way since fans keep reverting back to this.

 

[pitao]

Its been said to death and back again in this thread, both sides are manipulated to do terrible things and war against each other. Probably by a third party. Fog of war. No fully reliable narrators, deception abound, angry people lashing out without full picture, repeat process.

Just a depiction of what happens in the real world sadly. Its easier for most to really see it mirrored in fantasy but there will be always extreme points of view here or anywhere else unfortunately. With that said best thing the MC does is stay neutral like it seems the dev intended, both sides have their quota of blame and for me it is irrelevant who has more quota, the real war (for me and probably the MC) is try to somewhat "unite" those 2 opposite factions under another external threat hehehe. What seems an almost impossible endeavor IRL but with the power of writing "pen"/keyboard in a fantasy game story is only up to the mind and creativity of the developer/creator of the story.

 

[HornyyPussy]

Here we go again.........

 

[Wolfram99]

Here we go again.........
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[xapican]

Well, I understand that by telling my conclusions and my point of view
seemingly I attack the Word view of others, so better refrain and just enjoy the ride,
I wish Ceolag a good Weekend and may the good news apear !
Abrazo

 

[Knightcvel]

There are good news on Patreon both about his mother and game progress. I will not post here because there is one of us who updates weekly but I think our waiting is almost over.

 

[xapican]

Similar to Kaija who I get the impression emotionally and psychologically needs her stance to be correct or else a bunch of things in her life would be wrong and start falling apart.

It is a take, of course, I think with Kaija, it is more a personal crusade, to avenge the dead of her Grandpa and possiblily her parents, I hope Chapter 6 draws more light in.

 

[motseer]

Well, I understand that by telling my conclusions and my point of view
seemingly I attack the Word view of others, so better refrain and just enjoy the ride,
I wish Ceolag a good Weekend and may the good news apear !
Abrazo

Dude! Attack my world view whenever you like! Hell, I've gotten to the point where I can hardly stand to look at it anyway! From where I stand the view tends to look a lot like a cluster fuck...

Rant on, xap! We've earned the right!

 

[Monetka_]

Hey everyone,

The numbers for this week:
80 new static renders for a total of 2165
0 new animations
228 new lines in the script file for a total of 6250

I finished setting up the renders and the script for the scene I've been working on. Now, the PCs need to catch up with rendering.
After that is done, I can create the next test build, which will hopefully happen next week.

And I hope to have some preview renders ready for next week's Dev Log.

The other news is that it seems to get finally better for my mother.
She had her last surgery (at least planned) earlier this week, and everything went well so far.
She's slowly waking up, and so far, it's looking way better now. We hope it stays that way now.
Thanks to everyone for your support in the past several weeks!

Have a nice weekend, guys.

Cheers,
Ceo

 

[xapican]

The other news is that it seems to get finally better for my mother.
She had her last surgery (at least planned) earlier this week, and everything went well so far.
She's slowly waking up, and so far, it's looking way better now. We hope it stays that way now.
Thanks to everyone for your support in the past several weeks!

Yaaaay that is even better than an Update !