VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

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Pixillin'

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I get your point,really... but sometimes its just overreacting bullshit in the end,it goes both ways ...
You (not you in person) get butthurt about this,but also never trying to understand/or even listening the other side,why they did what they did ...
It's a me problem that i don't get it,cuz i myself have this problem that i think to much,trying to figure out other peoples motives before i make up my mind...
Well in my case - they did all the stuff we talked about - lying to you, not telling you there was a target on your back - keeping you in a glass cage, by arranging your career and your girlfriend etc, so they did all of that, and then I walked away and met this girl I really liked (only Li in the game so far that I really like) and they killed her. So my desire to "listen to the other side" at this point is pretty non-existent.
 
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So is it time for another Kaija War or a Coffee VS Tea War. i'm converting Kaija to Team Tea.
That's kind of cruel: I like Kaija (I'm a fully realized, intelligent, forgiving and understanding sort, so, naturally ;):LOL:), but I'm a "start the day with black coffee" type that will drink tea (hot or iced & sweet :sneaky:) in the afternoon and evening. Matter of fact - might do a late-night Chai since I'll be up finishing out another VN... I think we need to let Kaija choose either at her whim rather than trying to force our will on her. Giving her choice and space to be her own woman will only piss off the haters even more! :ROFLMAO::coffee:

She does have some nice T's........and her A is fantastic!
Agreed! And that toned, fit torso......:love:
 

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So is it time for another Kaija War or a Coffee VS Tea War. i'm converting Kaija to Team Tea.
That's going to be confusing for me. I like tea .. I could actually go either way. Some mornings just require coffee but definitely no Kajia for me.
 

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He would deserve it for being the worst and weakest fucking leader ever seen. Uhhh he suspects some foul-play after it happened? What a insightful guy. Your job would have been to prevent that dude.

So far it was a bit missed to show what even qualifies this guy to be the "grandmaster" other than maybe his bloodline lol

Hes just so ... pathetic.
Despite the abundant evidence in support of your argument, I cannot quite agree. We've seen the Templar council try to lead without the MC's dad, and they could barely keep the lights on long enough for the MC to magically solve all of their problems himself.

Presumably the Templars have hit a recent drought in capable leaders, since otherwise I have no idea how they managed to survive nearly 1000 years in secret.
 

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Despite the abundant evidence in support of your argument, I cannot quite agree. We've seen the Templar council try to lead without the MC's dad, and they could barely keep the lights on long enough for the MC to magically solve all of their problems himself.

Presumably the Templars have hit a recent drought in capable leaders, since otherwise I have no idea how they managed to survive nearly 1000 years in secret.
There is a capable leader in whatever that older chicks name is, the issue is that whenever you have egos clashing and people wanting power, they'll do whatever they can to sabotage the others.

I'm guessing MC's dogshit father was basically only the leader due to lineage, something they take seriously (obviously, since they treat the MC well), and couldn't really wrest the control from him.

Outside of that one chick though, they all seem so incredibly stupid, MC's dogshit family included (besides the sister of course). Also we all know that the wrong girl died as it should've been Kaiju.
 

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Despite the abundant evidence in support of your argument, I cannot quite agree. We've seen the Templar council try to lead without the MC's dad, and they could barely keep the lights on long enough for the MC to magically solve all of their problems himself.

Presumably the Templars have hit a recent drought in capable leaders, since otherwise I have no idea how they managed to survive nearly 1000 years in secret.
I mean you could argue that a strong leader wouldnt let his organisation/council devolve into such a condition. Yeah we kinda lack information about the possible actions he could have done to prevent all this shit but so far at least it seems to indicate that he didnt acted when it was necessary.

Who's to blame for a corrupted sub-organisation taking roots in your organisation if not the lead?

Maybe he inheritted all of this i guess but he seems to be the leader for long enough to change stuff on his own and to make allies on his own.

Even if his whole council are traitor idiots its kinda his fault at least partially
 

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Despite the abundant evidence in support of your argument, I cannot quite agree. We've seen the Templar council try to lead without the MC's dad, and they could barely keep the lights on long enough for the MC to magically solve all of their problems himself.

Presumably the Templars have hit a recent drought in capable leaders, since otherwise I have no idea how they managed to survive nearly 1000 years in secret.
The answer is that the council have a rival faction that wants to get rid of the Grand Master. It makes the decision making akward. Even if the grandmaster is inept he has the final say and in his absence they struggle to reach a consensus due to their different agendas.
 

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There is a capable leader in whatever that older chicks name is, the issue is that whenever you have egos clashing and people wanting power, they'll do whatever they can to sabotage the others.

I'm guessing MC's dogshit father was basically only the leader due to lineage, something they take seriously (obviously, since they treat the MC well), and couldn't really wrest the control from him.

Outside of that one chick though, they all seem so incredibly stupid, MC's dogshit family included (besides the sister of course). Also we all know that the wrong girl died as it should've been Kaiju.
I am living it in my job right now. A clash of egos and power hunger is making simple decision making quite painful. And their reasons are not logical, only petty grudges.
 
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There is a capable leader in whatever that older chicks name is, the issue is that whenever you have egos clashing and people wanting power, they'll do whatever they can to sabotage the others.
Linnae is no great shakes, IMHO. Admittedly, she's willing to take (non-idiotic) action rather than sit around and hope God will show up to sort things out, which does put her in the top quartile of the Council. But then she insists on resigning even before the Grandmaster is returned, effectively handing the reins back to the morons she'd just saved from themselves. Yay?

I mean, I respect Cincinnatus as much as the next guy, but he didn't resign his office until AFTER the crisis was resolved.

I'm guessing MC's dogshit father was basically only the leader due to lineage, something they take seriously (obviously, since they treat the MC well), and couldn't really wrest the control from him.
It's certainly possible. We don't know much about the Templars, but Kaija's line in Chapter 1 certainly implies lineage (or at least heritage) is significant.
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That said, I don't get the impression the Council was interested in wresting control away from the MC's dad. If anything they seem to have become reliant on him for guidance, to the point they're practically paralyzed while he's gone.


I mean you could argue that a strong leader wouldnt let his organisation/council devolve into such a condition. Yeah we kinda lack information about the possible actions he could have done to prevent all this shit but so far at least it seems to indicate that he didnt acted when it was necessary.

Who's to blame for a corrupted sub-organisation taking roots in your organisation if not the lead?

Maybe he inheritted all of this i guess but he seems to be the leader for long enough to change stuff on his own and to make allies on his own.

Even if his whole council are traitor idiots its kinda his fault at least partially
Oh, I would argue a strong leader should develop a competent team beneath him. I have no love for the MC's father and very little respect for his abilities based on everything we've seen so far. He's a terrible leader and a worse father.

I was merely pointing out that he can't be *the worst* leader ever because the rest of the Templar Council has that position locked up solid. Being better than the literal worst is not much of an accomplishment. Sadly, that's pretty much all he has going for him. :(
 
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Pixillin'

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Linnae is no great shakes, IMHO. Admittedly, she's willing to take (non-idiotic) action rather than sit around and hope God will show up to sort things out, which does put her in the top quartile of the Council. But then she insists on resigning even before the Grandmaster is returned, effectively handing the reins back to the morons she'd just saved from themselves. Yay?
She's not great, or even very good, but she's still the best of the Templars we've met by far. If I had the option I'd still kill the lot, but I'd take her out first and quickly - just out of mercy.
 
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