VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

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Um, question, why is MC trying to kidnap "someone", "foot clan" makes a deal with elves that there will be no more attacks, and then Medb says that it's not elves?
Did I read something wrong?
 

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Um, question, why is MC trying to kidnap "someone", "foot clan" makes a deal with elves that there will be no more attacks, and then Medb says that it's not elves?
Did I read something wrong?
At the time the MC ran away from kidnappers they just knew that Dad was kidnapped, but not by whom.
Or mommy Medb is a liar like Kaija, so fun times ahead probably.
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The MC just discovered his father has been kidnapped but that he has been lying to him his whole life. The MC's world has been turned upside down. Everyone around him, except his sister has been lying to him his whole life including the woman he loves. Suddenly people are shooting at him. The guy would be experiencing a rapidly changing cycle of emotions. Sometimes his actions are going to be a bit emotional and irrational. Personally I don't blame him from wanting to get away from them.

Once the initial shock passes, the MCs whole focus is going after his father and pushes the Templars to rescue his father even though they are twiddling their thumbs. The MC is thrust in to this hidden world he knows nothing about in a hope he can somehow rescue his father when no one else appears to be doing squat. I'm a little confused as to how he isn't showing concern for his father. To save his father, he has to interact with people who have lied to him his whole life including his lying deceiving girlfriend. I'm not an android, if I was the MC my emotions would be all over the place including wanting to get the hell away from these assholes for a while.

That' just my thoughts. Perhaps you would act differently as I'm sure many people would act in different ways.
I think most normal people with an ounce of self preservation and concern for their family would indeed act differently.
 

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I think most normal people with an ounce of self preservation and concern for their family would indeed act differently.
He wanted to learn about the Alfar, and if possible open up dialogues after he learned that the Kidnapping of his father and the attack on him weren't connected, And what plan do you expect ? He is acting all at his own, and he did this encouraged by a Valkyre, If he tells either Kaija or his Mother they would not let him go.
 

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I think most normal people with an ounce of self preservation and concern for their family would indeed act differently.
Go talk to people who have discovered their family has been lying to them about something really important for a long time. The last place they want to be is with those lying to them. Been there and everyone else I've met in the same boat has had the same view. But what do I know. You're the one who speaks for "most normal people." Moving on.
 

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Go talk to people who have discovered their family has been lying to them about something really important for a long time. The last place they want to be is with those lying to them. Been there and everyone else I've met in the same boat has had the same view. But what do I know. You're the one who speaks for "most normal people." Moving on.
Nothing worse than finding out a loved one has lied or betrayed you. It doesn't even matter what it was.
 

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At the time the MC ran away from kidnappers they just knew that Dad was kidnapped, but not by whom.
Or mommy Medb is a liar like Kaija, so fun times ahead probably.
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Yeah, that was the idea I'm sure, but it makes no sense in retrospect given the Alfar penchant for exact wording shenanigans. I could see the Templars jumping to conclusions about the Alfar being behind the MC's kidnapping, but the notion that they'd trust the MC's safety without concrete promises is ridiculous. Eric tells us "They gave their word not to act until the negotiations on Friday have been held," but that's worth less than nothing unless you force them to spell out precisely who "they" are and what "act" means in this context. That should have given the game away then and there.

Unfortunately, we didn't know enough to recognize the inconsistency at the time and I don't expect it to be addressed going forward, either. :(
 

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At the time the MC ran away from kidnappers they just knew that Dad was kidnapped, but not by whom.
Or mommy Medb is a liar like Kaija, so fun times ahead probably.
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At this point I don't know if you just enjoy throwing dirt in the fan, It is Hilda who talks there ! not Medb, and they are suposing, and making assumptions, as far as I know, in the inmediate next chapter, Medb makes her entrance,

where is there the inconsistency ? we don't know who hired the mercenarys nor who send the thugs after Jennifer.
really enlighten me
 
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ename144

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Yeah mate, it changes you hey.
I would assume so, but then again I would assume a nearly successful kidnapping attempt out of the blue would also change you. This MC never misses an opportunity to complain about his family lying to him, but he never acts like someone who had a brush with his own mortality. It does paint him as a rather immature person, not helped in the slightest in Chapter 6 by him steadfastly ignoring everything but his bizarrely passive job right after ranting about bringing justice to Finnabair's killer.

It would be nice if the MC stopped venting his spleen about the injustice in his life and started working out what he actually wants to do with said life while he still has it.
 
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Indeed this MC stumbles stupidly through the whole story and is only saved by plot armor. Admitting it doesn't really mitigate this weakness in the story.

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I mean ... it fits his looks, would be more suprising if he doesnt kinda behave like a moron.

He always was the worst part of this avn for me, he got a little bit better while he was with the elves and then we got the last update where he decided to go on dates and go back to work (???) instead of doing something useful.

All this big talk when he went to the elves and while being there just to be: "Vacations over, back to the good old 9-5 job, there are more important things than this stupid war and bounty hunters trying to kill me. And lets make sure i never have the OP sword at hand to look extra dumb in case something happens." lmao

this statement from medb is so fitting
 

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I would assume so, but then again I would assume a nearly successful kidnapping attempt out of the blue would also change you. This MC never misses an opportunity to complain about his family lying to him, but he never acts like someone who had a brush with his own mortality. It does paint him as a rather immature person, not helped in the slightest in Chapter 6 by him steadfastly ignoring everything but his bizarrely passive job right after ranting about bringing justice to Finnabair's killer.

It would be nice if the MC stopped venting his spleen about the injustice in his life and started working out what he actually wants to do with said life while he still has it.
I have no counter to Ch6. It was basically a filler episode thrown in. At a pretty bad time too considering what happened before it. Killed a lot of mood and other things in the story. Needs to be a way to integrate Li interactions in the main plot better so that full stop gap chapters like this aren't needed.

For the rest I suppose you can say that the MC has different values that matter or bother him more. He is not as concerned about his own mortality as he is about being manipulated. He puts his life in danger like it's nothing but is very concerned about how the people around him are acting.
 
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I mean ... it fits his looks, would be more suprising if he doesnt kinda behave like a moron.

He always was the worst part of this avn for me, he got a little bit better while he was with the elves and then we got the last update where he decided to go on dates and go back to work (???) instead of doing something useful.

All this big talk when he went to the elves and while being there just to be: "Vacations over, back to the good old 9-5 job, there are more important things than this stupid war and bounty hunters trying to kill me. And lets make sure i never have the OP sword at hand to look extra dumb in case something happens." lmao

this statement from medb is so fitting
Yeah while the slice of life / date part was the best part of ch 6 and why it's my favorite update so far. But that's only cause I tend to favor character interactions over story even if it's a game I play more for the story like this game. The lack of story progression made it feel a little disappointing to me. If there was just a little bit of story elements to the update ( besides the end of it) would of been a perfect. Then yeah the MC not going to Neverwhere with his sword legit made me facepalm even if it took longer to get to Jess he should of known he would stand no chance without a weapon a magical one at that.
 

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I would assume so, but then again I would assume a nearly successful kidnapping attempt out of the blue would also change you. This MC never misses an opportunity to complain about his family lying to him, but he never acts like someone who had a brush with his own mortality. It does paint him as a rather immature person, not helped in the slightest in Chapter 6 by him steadfastly ignoring everything but his bizarrely passive job right after ranting about bringing justice to Finnabair's killer.

It would be nice if the MC stopped venting his spleen about the injustice in his life and started working out what he actually wants to do with said life while he still has it.
Yeah you worded it better than me, fully agree.

Theres just such a huuuuuuge discrepancy between the way he talks (to his parents, to the templars, to the elves) like he is actually someone important (even before he got kinda legitimated with the sword) but follows up with nothing.

Which always kinda makes me feel understanding for the shitty people who dont take him serious, he feels more like a 15 year old to me when we talk about his maturity. I probably wouldnt take this guy serious too.

He just kinda lacks any kind of drive/ambition or whatever you want to call it. The only thing he did was stumbling into the elven realm (without any plan) and becoming/being discovered as a chosen one by cheer luck and utterly random circumstances.

And now when hes aware of him being special, he just does jackshit lol, like he waits for destiny to knock on his door again and hold his hand while guiding him towards the next possible course of action.

It would be fine (but annoying) if he would be supposed to be a more reserved kind of guy but his inactivity and lack of determination really clash badly with his self centered attitude.

I can understand that people are pissed at the parents but i will never understand how anyone can consider it reasonable HOW PISSED the mcs reacts while being in mortal danger and WHILE his dad is kept hostage and possibly dead. Its okay to cut them off but maybe after youre out of immediate danger and maaaaybe dont make it all about yourself while your dad is possibly going to die (even when dad is a utter fuckup).

I really have troubles with how incredibly self-centered and close to narcisstic the mc is while he is even (by sheer luck) the uber special chosen one YET DOES NOTHING USEFUL :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

edit: Thinking about it, the first thing the mc did after discovering neverwhere was to run alone to the elves, the parents probably knew that he's a moron and thats why they needed this scheme to keep him in the dark (which probably wasnt hard). Other kids apparently get indroctinated early, he was probably considered too stupid.
 

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It would be nice if the MC stopped venting his spleen about the injustice in his life and started working out what he actually wants to do with said life while he still has it.
mostly true. though this is not a VN of a MC merc with tons of life experience and complete understanding of the world around them. its a story of a young adult. the MC figuring out what he wants to do with his life. immature, more like inexperienced and making choices out of emotion. MC thrown into a world of chaos that he was apparently born into, we should expect him to make tons of mistakes, and as we watch the story progress, we get to watch him learn about the world he was unknowingly apart of, but also grow and change, along the paths we get to choose for him

so i think eventually he will stop crying like a spoiled baby and start taking actions based on logic and reasoning, not tantrums. though i do like the tantrums he has thrown so far, yes it would be nice for some growth to start soon. i think the whole Finn situation is what drives him to grow though. like everything up to Finns death was him behaving like a man child. now we get to see him put some real grit on his character.

i hope
 
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Go talk to people who have discovered their family has been lying to them about something really important for a long time. The last place they want to be is with those lying to them. Been there and everyone else I've met in the same boat has had the same view. But what do I know. You're the one who speaks for "most normal people." Moving on.
A bunch of people just tried to kill him and his dad was kidnapped. His butthurt 3 year old toddler fee fee's being hurt is a bit out of place and anybody who's grown up and cares about their dad or their own life won't wander out of the house and get killed by another hit squad.
 
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I have no counter to Ch6. It was basically a filler episode thrown in. At a pretty bad time too considering what happened before it. Killed a lot of mood and other things in the story. Needs to be a way to integrate Li interactions in the main plot better so that full stop gap chapters like this aren't needed.

For the rest I suppose you can say that the MC has different values that matter or bother him more. He is not as concerned about his own mortality as he is about being manipulated. He puts his life in danger like it's nothing but is very concerned about how the people around him are acting.
Agreed, this story doesn't know what it wants to be. It's an odd mix of an office romance drama and a hero's journey.
 

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A bunch of people just tried to kill him and his dad was kidnapped. His butthurt 3 year old toddler fee fee's being hurt is a bit out of place and anybody who's grown up and cares about their dad or their own life won't wander out of the house and get killed by another hit squad.
I think the initial reaction after the reveal about people around him is being blown up a bit past what was shown in game. His reaction was the gut reaction he has after hearing the revelations but remember, he did calm down and deal with getting his dad back before revisiting his thoughts about the others in his life. I'd agree with the sentiment about him being said more if he was throwing a tantrum and burning bridges before he could secure his dad, but he doesn't get the option to do that until after so it's not like he lost all perspective.

And again, he just doesn't put much care into his personal safety. Known character trait acknowledged in game. Medb calls him out on that one.
 

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At this point I don't know if you just enjoy throwing dirt in the fan, It is Hilda who talks there ! not Medb, and they are suposing, and making assumptions, as far as I know, in the inmediate next chapter, Medb makes her entrance,
I was referring to Medb's statement that they dont use mercs.
All this big talk when he went to the elves and while being there just to be: "Vacations over, back to the good old 9-5 job, there are more important things than this stupid war and bounty hunters trying to kill me. And lets make sure i never have the OP sword at hand to look extra dumb in case something happens." lmao
Well, he did just dump all of his savings to get some prime xeno princess pussy, so back to the grind for him, there are bills to pay.
 
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