VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

[RNasc4444]

Parents are human beings, they make mistakes and fuck up. (Surprise-surprise, takes years to truly cope with this concept)

Sure, the situation they created by covering up the truth, turned up bad. But they did it to protect you, not to damage you. If the damage was unintentional, it looks like what they did was really stupid, but not an intentional betrayal.

Guess what: look at the MC - a stupid kid likely has stupid parents Maybe so much dumber you would never believe as a kid.

Stupid does who stupid is (paraphrasing Forrest Gump). The parents are even dumber than the kid.

It's not that I don't understand that their goal was to protect the MC. I don't think they intentionally set out to hurt their child. But I still can't excuse or forgive what they did. They had outs. They could have told him when he was 16 (in the US you can operate a car at that age) they could have told him at 18 (when he becomes a legal adult) they could have told him when he began working (which makes him an independent adult). They opted not to for selfish reasons. At that point it's no longer about protecting him. It's about fearing the consequences.

And even if this is a fictional story you have to take into account the sheer volume of consequences. Alex was a target simply because of who is parents are. We know people from Neverwhere can just cross over into the human world whenever they want to. Imagine a rogue Elf hellbent on hurting the Templars. Imagine how many people could have been collateral damage. Everyone Alex ever spoke to. Everyone he knew. Over 20 years. They could have been targets too. Multiply that with Jess and all her friends, teachers etc... They could have used anyone to lure her. Are we sure the Templars kept an eye on both of the kids for 20+ years? Everywhere they were and at all times?

Try as I might, I can't see their lies of omission as something innocuous.

Also not trying to condemn anyone who chooses to forgive them. I'm just trying to justify why I can't and why I'm so harsh on them.

 

[Penfold Mole]

Damn tough guys seem to be here. Would condemn their own loving parents to confinement and likely death for unintentional damage they created by just being stupid. Well, one parent. The other might still get killed while trying to save the other one, would the MC have decided not to try to help free his father.

I'm just accepting my failure to convince you here.

You guys are just way too tough for me. Much tougher than Jason Bourne tough.

I hope that the MC will never-ever cause such unintentional damage by doing something stupid with good intentions... Cough, Finnabair's death, cough...

 

[Wolfram99]

I hope that the MC will never-ever cause such unintentional damage by doing something stupid with good intentions... Cough, Finnabair's death, cough...

Don't worry, we'll find a way to blame MC for what happened to Jess

 

[Dessolos]

Honestly if I was the MC I probably would of not moved a finger to help find the father either not because I hate him for the lies. But simply I wouldn't trust the Templars to keep me safe and alive , since im not someone that can fight if something goes wrong.

 

[Wolfram99]

But simply I wouldn't trust the Templars to keep me safe and alive , since im not someone that can fight if something goes wrong.

So you would just curl up and die?
Who else wants to keep MC alive apart from the Templars and the immediate family?

 

[Dessolos]

So you would just curl up and die?
Who else wants to keep MC alive apart from the Templars and the immediate family?

I mean if it happens it happens. Id just bunker down in their HQ and let them deal with the other stuff alone. I was only talking about in Neverwhere I wouldn't trust them to keep me safe. Even if the Elfs wouldn't betray the Templars due to a life debt it's alot to trust they don't pull something like Okay we gave you your father back now we can kill you both since technically we fulfilled the life debt. That or something else might happen cause everyone talks about how dangerous that place is.

 

[Knightcvel]

Don't worry, we'll find a way to blame MC for what happened to Jess

Actually he did everything he could to bring her to rescue their father, so that he is to blame as he was the one who introduced Neverwhere to her.

 

[Knightcvel]

It's not that I don't understand that their goal was to protect the MC. I don't think they intentionally set out to hurt their child. But I still can't excuse or forgive what they did. They had outs. They could have told him when he was 16 (in the US you can operate a car at that age) they could have told him at 18 (when he becomes a legal adult) they could have told him when he began working (which makes him an independent adult). They opted not to for selfish reasons. At that point it's no longer about protecting him. It's about fearing the consequences.

And even if this is a fictional story you have to take into account the sheer volume of consequences. Alex was a target simply because of who is parents are. We know people from Neverwhere can just cross over into the human world whenever they want to. Imagine a rogue Elf hellbent on hurting the Templars. Imagine how many people could have been collateral damage. Everyone Alex ever spoke to. Everyone he knew. Over 20 years. They could have been targets too. Multiply that with Jess and all her friends, teachers etc... They could have used anyone to lure her. Are we sure the Templars kept an eye on both of the kids for 20+ years? Everywhere they were and at all times?

Try as I might, I can't see their lies of omission as something innocuous.

Also not trying to condemn anyone who chooses to forgive them. I'm just trying to justify why I can't and why I'm so harsh on them.

Now that we know both MC and Jess are more than human you can dump everything told during the Q&A session. They are not related to the parents and were kept in the dark to prevent their skills of manifesting and put under vigilance to give the alarm when and if it happened. The story about protection and all is just plausible deniability. Templars, elves, the hellspawn and the third party are all afraid of MC or have plans for him.

 

[Knightcvel]

I suspect that Roland was lured to his own capture by fake information dropped by the third part, just to draw the templars attention and resources to Neverwhere allowing the mercenaries capturing MC without resistence. Their plan backfired when Helga figured out and warned MC beforehand.

 

[ename144]

Now that we know both MC and Jess are more than human you can dump everything told during the Q&A session. They are not related to the parents and were kept in the dark to prevent their skills of manifesting and put under vigilance to give the alarm when and if it happened. The story about protection and all is just plausible deniability. Templars, elves, the hellspawn and the third party are all afraid of MC or have plans for him.

The elves certainly don't seem to have any plans for him; they had an opportunity to snap him up on a silver platter but were only to happy to let Finnabair murder him instead. When that failed they either turned him over in a random prisoner exchange or let him go without a hitch.

Also, it's not clear if the MC is more than human. He and his sister have magical abilities, but what does that mean when they're in a magical universe we know almost nothing about? Sure, Kaija said his abilities are beyond what humans are capable of, but a) Kaija blindly trusts whatever the Templars tell her and the Templars are known liars, b) it's not clear just how much the Templars actually know about magic in the first place - I mean, if we take the stinger at face value, they don't seem to know anything.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

I suspect that Roland was lured to his own capture by fake information dropped by the third part, just to draw the templars attention and resources to Neverwhere allowing the mercenaries capturing MC without resistence. Their plan backfired when Helga figured out and warned MC beforehand.

You could be on to something there. It certainly make sense

 

[xapican]

Roland

Didn't he die in the ambush on Rolands breach ? together with his sword he had a Horn, and MC's Dad was in Neverwhere to meet with and Informant, as the Alfar captured him.

 

[Knightcvel]

The elves certainly don't seem to have any plans for him; they had an opportunity to snap him up on a silver platter but were only to happy to let Finnabair murder him instead. When that failed they either turned him over in a random prisoner exchange or let him go without a hitch.

Also, it's not clear if the MC is more than human. He and his sister have magical abilities, but what does that mean when they're in a magical universe we know almost nothing about? Sure, Kaija said his abilities are beyond what humans are capable of, but a) Kaija blindly trusts whatever the Templars tell her and the Templars are known liars, b) it's not clear just how much the Templars actually know about magic in the first place - I mean, if we take the stinger at face value, they don't seem to know anything.

The elves elite (the queens and the king) seems to have. They didn't share with their subjects, tough.
MC has unnatural abilities as resistence to mind control (shown twice), spot hidden, high stamina, reflexes, speed, etc. Those abilities are beyond human as far as the game suggests.

I think templars know a lot about magic in theory, but they cannot use it themselves.

 

[Knightcvel]

Didn't he die in the ambush on Rolands breach ? together with his sword he had a Horn, and MC's Dad was in Neverwhere to meet with and Informant, as the Alfar captured him.

Roland is MC's father and I believe him going to meet the informant was a trap to capture him, not because he was the primary target, but because it drew the bulk of templar forces to Neverwhere while MC was unaware and unprotected. The mercenaries could capture him easier like that and explore whatever abilities he have.

 

[ename144]

Roland is MC's father and I believe him going to meet the informant was a trap to capture him, not because he was the primary target, but because it drew the bulk of templar forces to Neverwhere while MC was unaware and unprotected. The mercenaries could capture him easier like that and explore whatever abilities he have.

Roland is a 10th century knight, one of Charlemagne's peers and the (presumed) original wielder of Durendal.

The MC's father is Robert.

 

[Knightcvel]

Roland is a 10th century knight, one of Charlemagne's peers and the (presumed) original wielder of Durendal.

The MC's father is Robert.
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My mistake, sorry!

 

[Wolfram99]

Actually he did everything he could to bring her to rescue their father, so that he is to blame as he was the one who introduced Neverwhere to her.

Umm, getting driven in an APC through town is not an introduction to neverwhere.
They went through Templar controlled gateways, so they probably have some patrols at those.
The genie was out of the bottle the moment Mom & Kaiju told them about the extra terrestrial stuff.

 

[Monetka_]

Hey everyone,


A few days later than usual, but the Dev Log for August is finally here.

The progress is going as planned... mostly. Mostly, because I already did a few animations that weren't planned, but I came up with an idea for them when coding the scene and went with it.
That's my usual approach, though. If I come up with something throughout development, I add (or change) it. Of course, only as long as the result is worth the time invested (in my opinion...).
If I add every idea I come up with, I'd never finish anything...

I also did a 2nd session of Q&A in July, which you can find on my Discord server (it's too long to add it to this Dev log).


As of now (August, 8th), Chapter 7 consists 715 static renders, 8 animations, and is roughly at 50% of the length of Chapter 3 (30% of Chapter 6 but it's also planned to be smaller in general).


September Dev Log will also be a fews days later than usual because I'll be on vacation with the family.


Have a nice time, guys.
Cheers,
Ceo

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

View attachment 5123557 View attachment 5123559 Hey everyone,


A few days later than usual, but the Dev Log for August is finally here.

The progress is going as planned... mostly. Mostly, because I already did a few animations that weren't planned, but I came up with an idea for them when coding the scene and went with it.
That's my usual approach, though. If I come up with something throughout development, I add (or change) it. Of course, only as long as the result is worth the time invested (in my opinion...).
If I add every idea I come up with, I'd never finish anything...

I also did a 2nd session of Q&A in July, which you can find on my Discord server (it's too long to add it to this Dev log).


As of now (August, 8th), Chapter 7 consists 715 static renders, 8 animations, and is roughly at 50% of the length of Chapter 3 (30% of Chapter 6 but it's also planned to be smaller in general).


September Dev Log will also be a fews days later than usual because I'll be on vacation with the family.


Have a nice time, guys.
Cheers,
Ceo

The only girl that matters!

 

[Dessolos]

The only girl that matters!

haha was about to say no Kaija then realized Elea looking good there