Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8c] [Ron Chon]

[arkopand]

Listen Boots, i can accept you guys wanting to do something different, but what im not going to accept from you or anyone is being gaslight and PR'd to because that pisses me the fuck off.

Same stuff with Ron, stop acting as if theres not an issue here or like im being unreasonable, if multiple people keep bringing this up as something that is either a bad decision or a change they dislike and want it reverted, then there is a clear fucking issue, i did not make this up, i did not bot those polls, im not the one that keeps bringing it up.

The quirks as they were, were widely liked, noone was forced to engage in them, you took away people's option, youre free to say that this was your artistic choice, thats fine, but dont you damn pretend that we are making this up, because what youre proposing isnt the same, stop the bullshit, you dont get to tell me or anyone what they should be pissed or not about and acting like if we dont have a damn good reason for not liking this and are being unreasonable.

And before you tell me to mod it in, i hate this fucking answer, because i could also go, write a fapfic for myself and jerk off in a corner, but that isnt the same now, is it?

Ive damn had it with being polite and half my points being ignored and the other half gaslight as if theres no issue here, it is frankly disrespectfull, ever since 0.8 ive been polite with my issues and the way ive adressed them towards you and the rest of the team, something that hasnt been paid in kind.

 

[salscou]

To be honest, it's not that deep to justify all this discussion man, I really don't understand why Salscou is so upset about this change in specific.
Okay, I get it, permathirsty Jean was fun and funny, but come on man, be chill, is not that bad.

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I am chill, i wasnt even talking about this until i was brought into it for answering to another dude.

 

[E358700]

So, in the intermediate update certain quirks or interactions got disabled in preparation for an upcoming change to the system that will add more to the quirks, including more platonically-focused quirks and interactions as opposed to the girls just acting like you're dating in pretty much all the quirk interactions, and people are pissed that those quirks/interactions got blocked off? Do I have that roughly right?

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[NexivSelecaf]

...So, we're about $200 away from getting Slifer the Executive Producer in the game.

Now that's the 'love of god' that I want to talk about - an Egyptian God.

 

[salscou]

...So, we're about $200 away from getting Slifer the Executive Producer in the game.

Now that's the 'love of god' that I want to talk about - and Egyptian God.

I wanna reach the Storm + Laura threesome for thematic reasons.

 

[Tommy7358]

I wanna reach the Storm + Laura threesome for thematic reasons.

Plus the extra goodies Ron pledged if we reach the $5000 milestone:

"hit the sixth milestone this morning!

two things:

1) to thank y'all for your support, I'm sweetening the pot for the $5000 milestone - if we hit it, I'll finish up Dr. Cecilia Reyes's standing art w/ outfits ASAP and replace the silly nurse silhouette as well as place her in the sandbox (not romanceable, *yet*)

2) I'll announce another set of milestones soon so that we can keep trying to give back to the community for helping us build the game of our dreams! I'm sure you all will be happy to share milestone ideas before then "

Perhaps Storm can get a fellow sister in arms in the Polycule if things go really well?

 

[armond]

the only tears I need to clean are from my dick
anyways... just play the freaking game brah.

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[Leathermax]

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[DarkLurker12]

So, in the intermediate update certain quirks or interactions got disabled in preparation for an upcoming change to the system that will add more to the quirks, including more platonically-focused quirks and interactions as opposed to the girls just acting like you're dating in pretty much all the quirk interactions, and people are pissed that those quirks/interactions got blocked off? Do I have that roughly right?

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This guy gets it.

I was one of the ones that signed salscou's petition back in the day, but I only wanted the old quirk system while waiting for the upcoming nuanced version. The interactions were funny in a janky way, but it honestly really took me out of the imersion. I didn't expect them to keep them like that from the start, and was overjoyed to hear they were going to keep it, just make it make sense behaviour-wise.

I want ThirstJean, StalkerLaura and MasoRogue sure, but I don't want that delusional behaviour. We can have them be thirsty as fuck AND aware their not your GF. We are getting it back AND it'll be different, for the better. Nothing impossible about it. Unless you just don't like changes to something your used simply because it's different. "I don't want my meal well-done, I grew to like undercooked!!"

 

[E358700]

So, since the quirks are disabled but still present in the files, does anybody actually know which variables one would have to flip to reenable them or even what variables one would be looking for? I am vaguely interested in messing about and maybe reenabling the quirks just for shits and giggles, but I'm not exactly a coding expert and wouldn't really know where to even start looking.

 

[potatoezzz]

Hi so Salcou and boots beef aside will the scene viewer thingy be available to everyone in .9 or just the patreon people?

 

[Krazzt]

My problem with that line of thinking is that IMO, the kinks were a good way to flirt with the characters even if you weren't dating them.

Like, hearing that Laura has started to really like the way you smell, or Jean hesitantly bringing up your "sibling"ship every time she can in weirder ways, there's a part of you that's like "wait, is this a sex thing? are they flirting, is she into me?"

It added a little spice. My most recent playthorugh felt weirdly abrupt without that kind of dialogue to bridge the gap between just friends and actually dating.

But I guess they made their decision... maybe I'll just find a way to use console to turn the kinks on early, hopefully the platonic kinks are an actual thing they're working on

I guess you can also say that those kinks make characters more "alive", so to speak. It gives them a personality beyond your control, just like IRL. Simply because you ask someone "blease stob xD--" doesn't mean they're going to stop doing weird (or not so weird) shit.

 

[armond]

I guess you can also say that those kinks make characters more "alive", so to speak. It gives them a personality beyond your control, just like IRL. Simply because you ask someone "blease stob xD--" doesn't mean they're going to stop doing weird (or not so weird) shit.

I agree with this, creating a convincing facsimile of life is so difficult that it is often done accidentally it seems.

 

[Krazzt]

I agree with this, creating a convincing facsimile of life is so difficult that it is often done accidentally it seems.
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I guess.
It's a fun dynamic. I was thinking what made new playthrough a bit more sterile than before - it was rework of this mechanic I now think. Remember romancing Rogue in earlier versions and bringing her to my room and, at some point, seeing that Laura stands outside the window, leaning on it, with glowing ass eyes. IRL it can be annoying, but in the game it has a lighthearted, sort of comedic tone.
I mean, someone like Jean wouldn't stop bringning up her "brother" thing just because you've asked. You'll say "blease stob xD" and she'll say "okay XXDD" only to bring it up again, "when the time is right", in hopes that you can reconsider.

 

[salscou]

I guess.
It's a fun dynamic. I was thinking what made new playthrough a bit more sterile than before - it was rework of this mechanic I now think. Remember romancing Rogue in earlier versions and bringing her to my room and, at some point, seeing that Laura stands outside the window, leaning on it, with glowing ass eyes. IRL it can be annoying, but in the game it has a lighthearted, sort of comedic tone.
I mean, someone like Jean wouldn't stop bringning up her "brother" thing just because you've asked. You'll say "blease stob xD" and she'll say "okay XXDD" only to bring it up again, "when the time is right", in hopes that you can reconsider.

You, good sir, get it.
It is simply too funny, it rocked super hard and the premise that in the future encouraging the quirks might develop in unforeseen consequences was a plot hook that had me exited and giddy to find out what would happen.



As it was, the quirks was the TNH equivalent of wild wasteland and i was all up for that.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

So, since the quirks are disabled but still present in the files, does anybody actually know which variables one would have to flip to reenable them or even what variables one would be looking for? I am vaguely interested in messing about and maybe reenabling the quirks just for shits and giggles, but I'm not exactly a coding expert and wouldn't really know where to even start looking.

They're not disabled. They're currently locked behind dating the girl as all of the quirk dialogue was written in the context that you were dating them.

It was created before the idea of interacting with the girls in a platonic manner was ever even considered.

So we decided to lock the romantic quirk behavior behind dating them and write dialogue that is the same in tone but acknowledges that the girls are pining after you instead of dating you.

Is it feasible to make something similar where you give a girl a massage and it does the same thing where you can ask her to take a few pieces of clothing depending on their Love/Trust and adopt certain positions for you to massage them, then click on a few body parts and get a bonus to their stats?

This is a good idea. I'll throw it at the devs.

I guess you can also say that those kinks make characters more "alive", so to speak. It gives them a personality beyond your control, just like IRL. Simply because you ask someone "blease stob xD--" doesn't mean they're going to stop doing weird (or not so weird) shit.

Their thirst will remain. It is simply being rewritten to be thirst after a man they are not in an active relationship with.

It is simply too funny, it rocked super hard and the premise that in the future encouraging the quirks might develop in unforeseen consequences was a plot hook that had me exited and giddy to find out what would happen.

As it was, the quirks was the TNH equivalent of wild wasteland and i was all up for that.

You will still be able to encourage quirks platonically and see the long term consequences of doing so. We're simply adding dialogue for instances where you are not their boyfriend.

Laura will still stalk you, Rogue will still defer to you for guidance and protection, and Jean will still think that she's the best option to date and try to get you to date her.

 

[SeveralGeese]

Out of curiosity, do you know which update that's planned for? Or is it still up in the air?

 

[E358700]

They're not disabled. They're currently locked behind dating the girl as all of the quirk dialogue was written in the context that you were dating them.

From what I read, I was under the impression that the quirks being available on the girls' platonic routes was what is disabled. Reading through your responses made it sound like everything is all still there, and all you have to do is flip a few variables to reenable the quirks for platonic routes, that's what I was referring to there. I probably could have worded that message a little more clearly, but alas.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

I leave for a couple of days...
Saw it coming though.

They're not disabled. They're currently locked behind dating the girl as all of the quirk dialogue was written in the context that you were dating them.

Some of them are still possible if you click on the choices during end of season events. Seems to be for the ones with a less sexual undertone.
I dated Jean and rejected everyone else for the file for these screenshots.

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I'll have to find where I can edit and remove Laura's quirks since I only did it to test if I could.
Not the best way to describes encouraging a gal's dark inclinations.

In other news, I'm glad that after the Rogue's ass spam and the Laura posting that at least Jean is getting some attention.
Shes the hottest after all.

 

[Terry Zimmerman]

I've played the game from the beginning two or three times, and I think the relationships develop naturally in this order: Rogue, Laura and then Jean. Rogue feels like the first natural romance since she’s the first major character you interact with, and your powers letting you touch her makes it easy to connect. Laura comes next because her story beats are tied to Rogue's — they become friends, which makes the poly route feel smooth and believable. Jean usually ends up last for me since she feels the most “separate” from the others.
For Chapter 2, I'm guessing Storm will be first, since you’ve already met her in Chapter 1 and she’s probably already close with the other girls. I have no idea how Kitty and Dazzler will fit into the progression.
Is this just me? Was this intentional or just how the game naturally developed?