Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8c] [Ron Chon]

[NexivSelecaf]

We're getting off topic though so I'll stop.

Continue.

 

[Knight]

The entire cast are generally outcasts, Jean was the popular, smart, soccer girl until they all got revealed as mutants, same with Spyke, who was the cool skateboard kid, Rogue, Kitty, Kurt and Scott are always shown as being generally kept at arms lenght by everybody.

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Kitty is a cutie but she isnt some popular girl and gets treated like a nerd, while Rogue is treated like if she had aids by everyone else that isnt a part of Xavier's save for Wanda and the brotherhood.

That's one thing that I never liked about how the X-men stories are told, people simply would not have the type of disgust response to most of the X-men. Fear, absolutely, but not disgust.

By all accounts Scott is good looking. Kitty was bubbly and cute, the type of girl who you expect to be a cheerleader. Rouge was prickly and kept people at a distance due to her powers but she was still pretty enough that she would have gotten a few looks. Most all the kids are young, fit, and good looking, they would not be treated the way they were.

Then you get people like Storm who can pass for a goddess and Charles who despite the wheelchair is a perfect gentleman, neither of them have inhuman characteristics that would be repulsive to normal people.

Quite the opposite, mutants with no ugly traits would be seen as desirable.

An example, in ancient Greece and Rome Olympic champions were PAID to impregnate rich widows or their daughters if the family had no sons. Traditions like that have quietly existed for most of recorded history, even today sperm donors are chosen based on their height, strength, intelligence and so on; superpowers with no downsides would be seen as a highly desirable trait.
Someone like Colossus with a mutation with no downsides would be seen as a breeding stud and the various X-girls would be seen as trophy wives for the rich.

It makes sense for people like Kurt and Toad to be reviled but for the rest it's just silly.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

if she's a Valley Girl, she's not also gonna somehow be this absolute nerd.

She was in the show though. You can have rich parents and be spoiled while simultaneously not being cool at school.

Kurt and Scott are always shown as being generally kept at arms lenght by everybody.

Specifically by Jean. Who in the initial season was dating the quarterback.

Kitty without her tiny titties just aint right...

Truth.

You don't have to be a bimbo to be a valley girl, it's just way of talking derived from a local culture.

The stereotype with valley girls were that they were shallow airheads. Which Kitty in Evo was presented as. Her redeeming quality was that it was also a front for the most part. Her inner nerdiness came out several times in the show.

Also valley girl wasn't a culture... It was a just a... lifestyle? ... That some girls in the 2000s lived.

No thoughts. Be pretty. It died out pretty quickly and was mostly a thing on TV long after any girls behaved that way in real life.

It also technically didn't make sense for Kitty as the Valley Girl life was a West Coast thing for the most part.

Fear, absolutely, but not disgust.

You were obviously not going to an American public school at that time.

"Grossness" was a weird nebulous thing applied to uncool people and acting disgusted was a general response.

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Someone like Colossus with a mutation with no downsides would be seen as a breeding stud and the various X-girls would be seen as trophy wives for the rich.

I will never understand why it's so hard to grasp the hatred of mutants.

Rather than write walls of paragraphs I'll break it down and you can ask for clarification in the off topic thread.

1. Mutants act as "sleeper agents" with their powers manifesting a decade after their birth and in many cases end up killing or injuring someone.

2. The X-Men for several decades of their canon were unknown masked vigilantes often were framed for the crime. Their names were code names that Xavier assigned to them and weren't even known to the public.

3. If you weren't given a good boy seal of approval, such as being on the Avengers, the average citizen feared and hated meta-humans. Xavier had his mutant status hidden for a long ass time.

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Actually respond to any of this in the topic thread.

 

[SHADOWM00N]

Been away for like a little while, anything interesting happened while I was gone?

 

[Terry Zimmerman]

That's one thing that I never liked about how the X-men stories are told, people simply would not have the type of disgust response to most of the X-men. Fear, absolutely, but not disgust.

By all accounts Scott is good looking. Kitty was bubbly and cute, the type of girl who you expect to be a cheerleader. Rouge was prickly and kept people at a distance due to her powers but she was still pretty enough that she would have gotten a few looks. Most all the kids are young, fit, and good looking, they would not be treated the way they were.

Then you get people like Storm who can pass for a goddess and Charles who despite the wheelchair is a perfect gentleman, neither of them have inhuman characteristics that would be repulsive to normal people.

Quite the opposite, mutants with no ugly traits would be seen as desirable.

An example, in ancient Greece and Rome Olympic champions were PAID to impregnate rich widows or their daughters if the family had no sons. Traditions like that have quietly existed for most of recorded history, even today sperm donors are chosen based on their height, strength, intelligence and so on; superpowers with no downsides would be seen as a highly desirable trait.
Someone like Colossus with a mutation with no downsides would be seen as a breeding stud and the various X-girls would be seen as trophy wives for the rich.

It makes sense for people like Kurt and Toad to be reviled but for the rest it's just silly.

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You are glossing over the fact that racism, xenophobia, homophobia, etc. don’t always make logical sense. (and the xmen are a stand in for this real world problems)

 

[NexivSelecaf]

Been away for like a little while, anything interesting happened while I was gone?

Nope.

 

[NexivSelecaf]

Because Rogue had the hots for Scott in Evo.

As annoying and boring "well actually" replies are to me intentionally being a jackass (especially since I said at some point in off topic that I don't really hate Scott and that I just occasionally say "Fuck Scott" for the memes), this writing team could/should do something with it - noting like taking Rogue out of the dating pool and have her go for Scott if the player decides not to pursue Rogue, because god knows nobody wants the NTR weirdos to start autistically screeching even louder than they already are - just as small talk: Null asking the girls what kind of guys the the girls are into.

If anything extensive, maybe build upon it by turning it into another talking side quest where the dev team can get a little fan fiction-y and think about how Jean would react to Rogue's past crush on Scott and how it would (or wouldn't) differ if Null is only with Rogue, only with Jean, is with both, or is single. And, of course, give us the point altering options on how to reply to Rogue once having a crush on Scott and comparing Null to Scott.

Bear in mind that I don't care about this from a Marvel fan perspective, but from the social/dating sim fan perspective.

 

[FP00]

Why? She has her own money. In fact she'd likely be Null's sugar mommy.

Emma seems like the type to see buying clothes from stores as beneath her and instead has personal commissions from the top fashion seamsters delivered to her.

Welcome to my life. I got to the point where I was trying to make a timeline for the dev team while the X-Men had FOUR ongoing books.

They really loved their spin-offs by 251, and it suffered for it. A lot of the team members they spun off into different teams left massive holes in the roster that weren't filled.

They won't.

Good, was genuinely mad when they broke up in the comic because it was really half-assed.

Logans not really the long term relationship type and his dick has been places no man should go; Namor is the only one who is more of a manwhore. Being single with the occasional bar hookup suits him more and if anything he needs to be celibate for little while to take account of all the places his sperm has ended up and reflect on his MANY mistakes.

Logan was going steady with Mariko Yashida for quite a while in the comic before Mastermind ruined it.

Seriously, Mastermind sucks.

Im just saying, that valley girl accent was endearing.

I am confused she had one, isn't she from the greater Chicago area?

I am now imagining Kitty doing a mobster impression as a joke, complete with outfit.

Besides, as several people here have stated. This game got them into reading the comics for the first time, or again, and we want to give as good of an impression as we can.

Yeah, and honestly, Kitty from the comics was an extremely endearing character during this era of comics; seeing that character be translated into the game would be a real treat compared to the more modern interpretations of the character.

 

[armond]

Not glossing over it, pointing out that they are poor stand in's. Also, racism, xenophobia, homophobia rarely don't make sense, it's just we are not allowed to state the reasons because of aggressively enforced political correctness and censorship.

I never let that stop me

 

[Terry Zimmerman]

Not glossing over it, pointing out that they are poor stand in's. Also, racism, xenophobia, homophobia rarely don't make sense, it's just we are not allowed to state the reasons because of aggressively enforced political correctness and censorship.


Ok.
BTW, there is still no link to it in the OP.

Okeey......

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Emma seems like the type to see buying clothes from stores as beneath her and instead has personal commissions from the top fashion seamsters delivered to her.

His name is Jumbo Carnation and he's my discord Icon.



When we have the budget for store NPCs he's gonna be running the shop you buy super suits from.

I am confused she had one, isn't she from the greater Chicago area?

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The Valley Girl archetype that was popular in San Fernando Valley, which is where the Valley in Valley Girl comes from, California for a single generation was taken and given to girls across the states in fiction for the past 20 odd years as shorthand to express that a character was shallow or an airhead.

It's the same reason they made Rogue and Scarlet Witch Goth. Goth was shorthand for expressing that someone is an outcast even among outcasts. Despite Goths on average being very friendly and sociable if you treat them with respect.

BTW, there is still no link to it in the OP.

I asked the admins to link both that and the roadmap and got told Ron has to DM them which makes no sense as he didn't need to be asked to for a multi-mod that I learned existed JUST now as I'm writing this being listed.


Speaking of which. freddygonzo While a lot of the features are good for personal taste and preference.

changes the "Bronze V Card" description from "celibate" to "a virgin" for better clarification

Something like this is a simple text correction. Just at @ us or something if you catch something like this.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Fine, I will give an example that is somewhat allowed to be talked about.

Xenophobia, we have tons of historical evidence showing that when two different tribes/ethnicities/races, whatever you want to call it, meet in substantial numbers one group will use their numbers or in group preference to collude to socially and often physically dominate the other to the losing sides detriment.

Slavery has existed for all of recorded history and then some, it's most often enforced along racial, ethnoreligious, or tribal lines. That means there is a built in mistrust of groups unlike yours, xenophobia translates to "fear of stranger". It was and still is a VERY rational fear for all of humanities evolution, even in modern times chattel slavery has not been fully eliminated and only western military dominance is preventing it from cropping back up in many parts of the word.

When you take off the rose tinted glasses that modern civilization forces people to wear and look at humanity in cold biologically deterministic ways many "irrational" fears are justified.

1. The hell does this have to do with our game?

2. It's "fear of the other" not "fear of stranger".

 

[NexivSelecaf]

1. The hell does this have to do with our game?

Let him cook. He means well.

 

[teddy123999]

Fine, I will give an example that is somewhat allowed to be talked about.

Xenophobia, we have tons of historical evidence showing that when two different tribes/ethnicities/races, whatever you want to call it, meet in substantial numbers one group will use their numbers or in group preference to collude to socially and often physically dominate the other to the losing sides detriment.

Slavery has existed for all of recorded history and then some, it's most often enforced along racial, ethnoreligious, or tribal lines. That means there is a built in mistrust of groups unlike yours, xenophobia translates to "fear of stranger". It was and still is a VERY rational fear for all of humanities evolution, even in modern times chattel slavery has not been fully eliminated and only western military dominance is preventing it from cropping back up in many parts of the word.

When you take off the rose tinted glasses that modern civilization forces people to wear and look at humanity in cold biologically deterministic ways many "irrational" fears are justified.

Slavery doesn't necessarily occur between different races; it can also occur when different regimes within the same race meet. In ancient times, it was often the result of war, and in modern times, it's primarily the result of the Western slave trade, colonialism, and fascism. Don't overestimate human rationality. Even if it's rational, it doesn't necessarily mean it's not outdate and inferior. Historically, slavery within the same ethnic group was quite common, a situation more rooted in class than race. Even the upper classes of a different ethnic group could gain status after defeat through submission or bribery, allowing them to enslave their former fellow citizens.The underlying logic of this system is not so much fear as it is the rulers’ desire for conquest and enjoyment, as well as the pursuit of profit maximization in the early stages of capitalism.

 

[salscou]

and in modern times, it's primarily the result of the Western slave trade, colonialism, and fascism. Don't overestimate human rationality.

You couldnt be farther away from the truth with that one, if anything, shutting down the slave trade of Africa and Asia with their navy and economic compensations to owners in the west was one of the greatest achievements of the British Empire, and you had things like the barbary pirates that used to terrorize the mediterrean and take slaves until the USA navy kicked the shit out of them when they started pillaging their trade ships.
Hell, there is still slavery to this day, and it mostly happens in the middle east, just ask the saudis about their servants, or the chinese about the work camps they put the ugyurs in, all of that was happening and would still be happening even if the entirety of europe had been sent into the shadow realm by the 13th century because it never had any reason top stop, the fact that it stopped worldwide is precisely the strange pattern that occured with great sacrifice and ingenuity facilitated by industrial production showing greater results than slavery.

 

[Hobocop Harrier du bois]

How'd the thread jump from Rogue tiddy appreciation to slave trade discussion?

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

How'd the thread jump from Rogue tiddy appreciation to slave trade discussion?

The thread in general has been pretty ridiculous the past couple of days. For times like these I just leave it alone. Sorts out eventually.

 

[salscou]

just as small talk: Null asking the girls what kind of guys the the girls are into.

Well if we go by the comics.

Jean likes stoic, no-nonsense badasses that get possesive over her (Scott, Logan).
Rogue likes romantic fools that simp over her (Remy).
Laura likes cocky pretty boys that make her feel girly (Julian, Warren).

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Well if we go by the comics.

Jean likes stoic, no-nonsense badasses that get possesive over her (Scott, Logan).
Rogue likes romantic fools that simp over her (Remy).
Laura likes cocky pretty boys (Julian, Warren).

Ororo likes tough guys who care more than they let on(Wolverine)
Emma likes the same as Jean. Seems to like straightforwardness. Probably could do without the possessiveness.
Kitty likes Peter. Peter is totally her type.

 

[teddy123999]

You couldnt be farther away from the truth with that one, if anything, shutting down the slave trade of Africa and Asia with their navy and economic compensations to owners in the west was one of the greatest achievements of the British Empire, and you had things like the barbary pirates that used to terrorize the mediterrean and take slaves until the USA navy kicked the shit out of them when they started pillaging their trade ships.
Hell, there is still slavery to this day, and it mostly happens in the middle east, just ask the saudis about their servants, or the chinese about the work camps they put the ugyurs in, all of that was happening and would still be happening even if the entirety of europe had been sent into the shadow realm by the 13th century because it never had any reason top stop, the fact that it stopped worldwide is precisely the strange pattern that occured with great sacrifice and ingenuity facilitated by industrial production showing greater results than slavery.

I don't want this topic to deviate further from the discussion, but I disagree with any word you said. Let's continue discussing gaming related topics