Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8c] [Ron Chon]

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Well if we go by the comics.

Jean likes stoic, no-nonsense badasses that get possesive over her (Scott, Logan).
Rogue likes romantic fools that simp over her (Remy).
Laura likes cocky pretty boys (Julian, Warren).

Ororo likes tough guys who care more than they let on(Wolverine)
Emma likes the same as Jean. Seems to like straightforwardness. Probably could do without the possessiveness.
Kitty likes Peter. Peter is totally her type.

 

[teddy123999]

You couldnt be farther away from the truth with that one, if anything, shutting down the slave trade of Africa and Asia with their navy and economic compensations to owners in the west was one of the greatest achievements of the British Empire, and you had things like the barbary pirates that used to terrorize the mediterrean and take slaves until the USA navy kicked the shit out of them when they started pillaging their trade ships.
Hell, there is still slavery to this day, and it mostly happens in the middle east, just ask the saudis about their servants, or the chinese about the work camps they put the ugyurs in, all of that was happening and would still be happening even if the entirety of europe had been sent into the shadow realm by the 13th century because it never had any reason top stop, the fact that it stopped worldwide is precisely the strange pattern that occured with great sacrifice and ingenuity facilitated by industrial production showing greater results than slavery.

I don't want this topic to deviate further from the discussion, but I disagree with any word you said. Let's continue discussing gaming related topics

 

[armond]

The thread in general has been pretty ridiculous the past couple of days. For times like these I just leave it alone. Sorts out eventually.

Really, in the most philosophical sense.... we are all slaves, to the tyranny of trans fats!

 

[adanu]

Not glossing over it, pointing out that they are poor stand in's. Also, racism, xenophobia, homophobia rarely don't make sense, it's just we are not allowed to state the reasons because of aggressively enforced political correctness and censorship.


Ok.
BTW, there is still no link to it in the OP.

He did say don't always. He did not state a monolithic generalization, which is fair.

 

[UnoriginalUserName]

Emma likes the same as Jean. Seems to like straightforwardness. Probably could do without the possessiveness.

Emma has also been portrayed, rather sweetly, to actually appreciate honor and nobility when she fell in love with / got a huge crush on Spider Man after reading his mind when she basically forced him to help her rescue a girl (ironically she could have just asked). In her own words "It was beautiful in there" when she spoke about his mind later on.
Of course i don't believe anything ever came of it.

That said, she could be set to appreciate a heroic Null over an angry one. (Of course that may annoy some folks)

 

[salscou]

Emma has also been portrayed, rather sweetly, to actually appreciate honor and nobility when she fell in love with / got a huge crush on Spider Man after reading his mind when she basically forced him to help her rescue a girl (ironically she could have just asked). In her own words "It was beautiful in there" when she spoke about his mind later on.
Of course i don't believe anything ever came of it.

That said, she could be set to appreciate a heroic Null over an angry one. (Of course that may annoy some folks)

Emma just like heroes.
She liked the minds of Scott, Peter, and Tony Stark.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Emma has also been portrayed, rather sweetly, to actually appreciate honor and nobility when she fell in love with / got a huge crush on Spider Man after reading his mind when she basically forced him to help her rescue a girl (ironically she could have just asked). In her own words "It was beautiful in there" when she spoke about his mind later on.
Of course i don't believe anything ever came of it.

That said, she could be set to appreciate a heroic Null over an angry one. (Of course that may annoy some folks)

Yeah. She seems to like straightforward honesty and genuine good will without ulterior motives. It's rare in her world.

 

[NexivSelecaf]

The thread in general has been pretty ridiculous the past couple of days. For times like these I just leave it alone. Sorts out eventually.

We're all thirsty for giving head pats.

Also, I'm fairly sure that there's a bit of, at best, anticipation of what's on the horizon in 1.1, and at worst, frustration that 1.1 is happening later rather than sooner. Taking that into consideration along with my personal boredom with Marvel, it's been a good idea to check out other games for the past month or so.

 

[Knight]

1. The hell does this have to do with our game?

2. It's "fear of the other" not "fear of stranger".

1. we were talking about how various "ism" aren't rational (but actually are) in regards to humans, in this context it had to do with why people would hate mutants, or to my argument, would not hate mutants.

My point was that public sentiment of mutants would not play out the way it does in the game or the comics, human fear and hatred of the different has various aspects to it that stems from biological determinism. In the comics, mutants are seen as a separate race when any honest biologist could not classify them as even a separate sub-species.

Someone like Jean, Kitty, Piotr, Emma, and Null would not face the type of discrimination and disgust response they are shown to. Ones like Kurt, yes, but not the human looking mutants. If anything there would be resentment towards mutants like Null from within the mutant community since mutants like him get the best of both worlds.
Someone as good natured as Kurt wouldn't be hateful like that but many others would. Humans on the other hand would see them as desirable.

2. Phobia = aversion, repulsion, or fear depending on context. A raincoat is not afraid of water but still repeals it hence it is hydrophobic.

Xeno = foreign or strange. Example: xenolith, a rock formation that is strangely out of natural order with the surrounding sediment and is derived from elsewhere, or in other words it is foreign to the surround rock.

Emma has also been portrayed, rather sweetly, to actually appreciate honor and nobility when she fell in love with / got a huge crush on Spider Man after reading his mind when she basically forced him to help her rescue a girl (ironically she could have just asked). In her own words "It was beautiful in there" when she spoke about his mind later on.
Of course i don't believe anything ever came of it.

That said, she could be set to appreciate a heroic Null over an angry one. (Of course that may annoy some folks)

She likes selfless people, even though she herself is very selfish. Some explanations of why are more charitable than others.

 

[SHADOWM00N]

Such as romance options and villains who'd need art. Sorry but you guys don't get to fuck the Shadow King.

Dammit, I was waiting for a chance to have hot steamy say gex with his Navid Negahban form.

 

[Knight]

Yeah. She seems to like straightforward honesty and genuine good will without ulterior motives. It's rare in her world.

That, or she likes good men because they are easy to manipulate and see's them as chumps. She knows the limits of telepathic manipulation very well so from her perspective exploiting peoples personal traits for leverage has a lot value since it still works even when she can't telepathically fuck with their minds. Someone like Peter or Rogers can block her out though strength of will be she can still use them if she knows which buttons to press.

In some ways Black cat is the closest woman in Marvel to Emma personality wise, the difference is that Felecia falls in love to the point that it rocks the foundation of everything she thought she wanted, she's still vain but it doesn't hit her like it used to.
Emma never really has that moment, she grows and tries to be a better person but still ends up rather selfish and never has love of anything to the degree that Felecia loves Peter.

 

[Knight]

Emma just like heroes.
She liked the minds of Scott, Peter, and Tony Stark.

Obligatory

 

[Leathermax]

I just came up with a question. Why aren't psychics like X or Frost mind inducing public voices into accepting mutants? Maybe X was too good of a fella to do that kind of thing before all went gray and gay, but someone like Emma doesn't seem to have that sort of reservation.

 

[UnoriginalUserName]

I just came up with a question. Why aren't psychics like X or Frost mind inducing public voices into accepting mutants? Maybe X was too good of a fella to do that kind of thing before all went gray and gay, but someone like Emma doesn't seem to have that sort of reservation.

In theory I suspect it's because none of them (with the possible exception of Wheels while using Cerebro) are powerful enough to get everyone at once. They'd have to do small chunks at a time. Not only would that take literally forever, but people would surely notice a sudden shift in attitude and it would definitely draw the ire of everyone right onto the mutants.

 

[Evil13]

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No one will ever convince me that Steve didn't anticipate his mind getting read at the gala and he's just been looping that thought through his mind for the night just to fuck with any telepaths who actually tried.

 

[SHADOWM00N]

I just came up with a question. Why aren't psychics like X or Frost mind inducing public voices into accepting mutants? Maybe X was too good of a fella to do that kind of thing before all went gray and gay, but someone like Emma doesn't seem to have that sort of reservation.

I remember reading on Quora sometime ago that it wouldn't work long-term due to newer generations lacking the mind control and/or the mind control fading once the person who did it eventually dies.

 

[Evil13]

I just came up with a question. Why aren't psychics like X or Frost mind inducing public voices into accepting mutants? Maybe X was too good of a fella to do that kind of thing before all went gray and gay, but someone like Emma doesn't seem to have that sort of reservation.

Influencing one mind, easy to do because it's just one target.
Influencing ten minds, takes some practice.

Every time a telepath is using their powers on multiple people, that's difficulty increases exponentially, as the mutant is delving into more and more minds and subtly shifting thought processes and mental patterns for the thought to stick. It takes a lot out of the telepath to do so, so imagine the strain of connecting to nearly 8 billion minds and having to deal with all those thoughts and ideas.

Not to mention that many skilled telepaths are usually able to find traces of another telepaths work in someone's mind, so that's bringing a shitload of trouble on yourself.

 

[Knight]

Influencing one mind, easy to do because it's just one target.
Influencing ten minds, takes some practice.

Every time a telepath is using their powers on multiple people, that's difficulty increases exponentially, as the mutant is delving into more and more minds and subtly shifting thought processes and mental patterns for the thought to stick. It takes a lot out of the telepath to do so, so imagine the strain of connecting to nearly 8 billion minds and having to deal with all those thoughts and ideas.

Not to mention that many skilled telepaths are usually able to find traces of another telepaths work in someone's mind, so that's bringing a shitload of trouble on yourself.

Technically Apocalypse could pull off of something like that, he mind controlled every military on earth in the movies. That being said temporary mind control isn't the same as collectively altering the memories and personalities of billions.


Taking over a media conglomerate and using propaganda is a far more effective tactic to get people to change their minds, it's how governments and NGO's manipulate the public against their interests and have done so since before any of us were born. The T.V is a far more fearsome mind control weapon than any psychic, just look at what it did and still does to boomers.

 

[fake.name.again]

we were talking about how various "ism" aren't rational (but actually are) in regards to humans, in this context it had to do with why people would hate mutants, or to my argument, would not hate mutants.

My point was that public sentiment of mutants would not play out the way it does in the game or the comics, human fear and hatred of the different has various aspects to it that stems from biological determinism. In the comics, mutants are seen as a separate race when any honest biologist could not classify them as even a separate sub-species.

Someone like Jean, Kitty, Piotr, Emma, and Null would not face the type of discrimination and disgust response they are shown to. Ones like Kurt, yes, but not the human looking mutants. If anything there would be resentment towards mutants like Null from within the mutant community since mutants like him get the best of both worlds.
Someone as good natured as Kurt wouldn't be hateful like that but many others would. Humans on the other hand would see them as desirable.

Yeah, but there were some other factors in comics also from my research (mostly reading Wikis). Like Sublime, ancient sentient bacteria. They were also seemed as deviants in eyes of Eternals.
Obviously, it is possible to write such a conflict in an interesting way. They call themselves "Superior" (at least some of them, and I think it was widely used until retconed?), they lived for the long time in secrecy and frequently used telepathy to erase memories (and they have almost a monopoly on telepaths). Magneto was a terrorist. I don't think Christianity will be hostile to their existence in general (and there is no specific mutant behavior that would differentiate them and could be written as "sin"), but some pseudo-Christian cults? Why not? Maybe some mad prophet claiming them to be children of demons or something (and Kurt in fact sort of is).

 

[pepplez]

Maybe some mad prophet claiming them to be children of demons or something (and Kurt in fact sort of is).

Logan said hes an elf. End of discussion.