Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8c] [Ron Chon]

[Fluffybutttt]

Wouldn't that increase the chances of the Big Mouse noticing TNH and any potential sequels or is that too far away currently to be a concern?

This is something I've wondered about myself a lot as well. There was talk about the potential for a SFW version being floated around right? Or at the very least, the idea was thrown out there. A SFW version could unshackle the devs/writers because they wouldn't be held back by needing every character to be 18+ and fuckable.

However, how would the team be able to even make a SFW version and make money off of it? Time and time again we've seen fan-made projects be shut down after years of work because of copyright laws. The only way a SFW version of this game could survive, is if the entire story and characters are changed. You could keep the name, sure, but the X-Men? That'd have to be thrown out. What would this game even look like without the X-Men?

I'm not sure how copyright works with porn games, maybe that's a legal grey area?

 

[Tommy7358]

This is something I've wondered about myself a lot as well. There was talk about the potential for a SFW version being floated around right? Or at the very least, the idea was thrown out there. A SFW version could unshackle the devs/writers because they wouldn't be held back by needing every character to be 18+ and fuckable.

However, how would the team be able to even make a SFW version and make money off of it? Time and time again we've seen fan-made projects be shut down after years of work because of copyright laws. The only way a SFW version of this game could survive, is if the entire story and characters are changed. You could keep the name, sure, but the X-Men? That'd have to be thrown out. What would this game even look like without the X-Men?

I'm not sure how copyright works with porn games, maybe that's a legal grey area?

I read the talk about people asking about a SFW version as more of a compliment and testament to the writers' effort in showing comic-faithful X-Men and how good it is rather than any concrete plan on releasing a separate SFW version of the game.

Also, I wouldn't say they would be unshackled from 18+ characters if they made a SFW version. Boots has previously said that the dev team is staying away from any underaged characters like Gabby/Badger because even if they add her in with nothing questionable, people can take the artwork that is there and make illegal mods and that will all blowback on the team even if they had nothing to do with it so they aren't taking any chances like that.

I have no idea how copyright with porn games work but I'd reckon it's simply because porn games are beneath Disney's notice since they are small scale and people don't usually openly advertise they're playing a porn game but if a SFW version of TNH came out and Youtubers post videos about it with clickbaity titles like "This X-Men fan game is MUCH better than X-Men comics!" (even if it is true) then I'd bet that will eventually catch someone's eye at Disney.

 

[salscou]

I'm not sure how copyright works with porn games, maybe that's a legal grey area?

Look at it from a business sense, porn games are small and niche enough to not warrant the bother even if they find out about it, giving it publicity would actually draw more eyes upon it, and they really arent competing in the same market because its not like Disney would approve of official smut.
This was already settled in the past with a comic artist making porn of Minnie just to prove a legal point that fair use covers such parodies.

staying away from any underaged characters like Gabby because even if they add her in with nothing questionable

And i repreat, such a shame, taking care of the baby gremlin with Laura would be absolutely wholesome.

 

[Fluffybutttt]

Also, I wouldn't say they would be unshackled from 18+ characters if they made a SFW version. Boots has previously said that the dev team is staying away from any underaged characters like Gabby/Badger because even if they add her in with nothing questionable, people can take the artwork that is there and make illegal mods and that will all blowback on the team even if they had nothing to do with it so they aren't taking any chances like that.

I only mention it because Boots has stated:

We wouldn't have to make every character on screen 18.*

There are a lot of child and teen characters in the X-Men comics that we either have to age up, whether they are romance options or not, or not include at all. Like we can't have Illiyana/Magik show up prior to her being thrown into Limbo. The most we can do is imply that she's around.

We could have more male characters due to less spending on sex art.

We could have other characters date without the game being labeled NTR.

A female Null could be written simultaneously with the male Null since the game would focus less on dating and more on just being an X-Men life sim.

Dating could still be possible but the pool of options would likely be limited in comparison as we likely wouldn't break all of the couples up. Some of them we would because we're tired of Marvel's melodrama, others are fine. I know a lot of Kitty fans would be happy with her and Colossus actually getting married.

*A background detail that we don't draw too much attention to is that there are several students that aren't 18+. On Earth 69 Xavier's school opened up to more students several years earlier than the comics and what you see in the Fox X-Men movies.

A fully SFW version is something I would genuinely be interested in, it's just tricky to get around copyright if there were to ever be a SFW version they went all in on. What would TNH even look like without the X-Men ya know? To skirt around copyright, would the X-Men be the "B-Men" and Xavier have hair? lol

 

[Tommy7358]

Look at it from a business sense, porn games are small and niche enough to not warrant the bother even if they find out about it, giving it publicity would actually draw more eyes upon it, and they really arent competing in the same market because its not like Disney would approve of official smut.
This was already settled in the past with a comic artist making porn of Minnie just to prove a legal point that fair use covers such parodies.

Yeah, I agree but if someone who's stupid and stubborn to ignore the negative press that comes from going after a porn game that isn't even in competition with their business (since I'm not seeing any official X-Men porn) actually goes after the dev team they definitely won't be able contest Big Mouse in court. Now I do realise that's unlikely to happen but why take the chance?

 

[hopefullynew]

This was covered for previous versions of the game, but does anyone know if in the current version missed optional interactions still trigger if the season when they were supposed to happen has passed? And if not, any way do make them disappear from the quest list? It would be nice if we could still complete them, but if not I'd like to make them go away permanently.

 

[Fluffybutttt]

Now I do realise that's unlikely to happen but why take the chance?

Not as unlikely as you think. I mean, look how Nintendo handles their copyright and the porn. There's an artist I'm blanking on the name rn... but they make PEAK femboy Link stuff and their work has been taken down in the past.
Edit: Fugtrup! That's the artist's name.

 

[Tommy7358]

I only mention it because Boots has stated:

A fully SFW version is something I would genuinely be interested in, it's just tricky to get around copyright if there were to ever be a SFW version they went all in on. What would TNH even look like without the X-Men ya know? To skirt around copyright, would the X-Men be the "B-Men" and Xavier have hair? lol

Huh, I don't remember seeing that post by Boots, thanks for showing me that. Still, I think the fully SFW TNH game Boots described is as he'd say:

Yeah this is basically asking for an entirely separate game.

Anyway, I could go into other issues like if the Patreon supporters will even want a SFW version of the game to consume precious time and budget because while I've no doubt many people will be willing to support it I'd bet there'll be just as many people who just want the porn version of TNH or at least want it to be finished first before any discussion of TNH SFW Edition happens; but with the funding situation as it is currently this is all "way-too-early talk" given that Chapter 1 is yet to be completed.

Yeah, they'll be called the Y-Men and Yavier will have a mullet instead of a chrome dome.

Not as unlikely as you think. I mean, look how Nintendo handles their copyright and the porn. There's an artist I'm blanking on the name rn... but they make PEAK femboy Link stuff and their work has been taken down in the past.

I know right?! I keep thinking back to Nintendo's shithead behaviour as we're talking about copyright issues with parodies and the Mouse isn't that far behind in terms of litigiousness.

 

[Buttholder]

I love you.

Though this makes things painful. Buttholder and I had like multiple 2-3 hour calls about female and gay Null stories.

I still remember the time we had like a 5 hour call, discussing a shitload of character concepts, then the following day you said 'oh hey, tell Mad about that thing we were talking about last night' and I said 'I literally cannot, you wanna narrow it down to maybe like a 30 minute chunk?'

Look at the bright side, if it wasnt for that, then maybe Laura would have never made it out into the comics, or gotten everyone so pissed that we got Innocence Lost and Target X to make up for it.

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The best answer for how this all happened that I can find, is that Marvel was interested in bringing Laura over to the comics in some form or another - it's easy to forget that Harley Quinn had just made her canon comics debut just a couple of years before in 2000, and she was instantly popular, even with people who'd never seen Batman TAS, and they were looking to replicate that success. NYX was a new book coming out that was going to be focused on teen characters with an entirely new and original cast, so on paper, it was a no-brainer. Unfortunately, we were still in the mid-00s, when the words 'make it edgier' were practically their guiding ethos for the direction the company was going in, so that's how we wound up with her introduction to the Marvel Universe.

It's a credit to the writers - primarily Kyle and Yost, her original creators - that she's managed to shake off the millstone that NYX placed on her, and the references to the series in the years since have mostly been limited to her friendship with Kaiden and everything from Target X/Innocence Lost.

 

[NexivSelecaf]

Don't know why, but I'm looking forward to turning Rogue into a hairy juggalo.

 

[armond]

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Don't know why, but I'm looking forward to turning Rogue into a hairy juggalo.

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[Hiarus]

So I was reading the character entries and notes in the menu (good work to whoever wrote those btw), and noticed every character aside from Kurt complains about how they are written in the in-universe comics

Which got me thinking, if Null made his way in, would those comics make him out to be the biggest badboy playboy to have ever graced the pages? 'cause knowing how Marvel is with relationships (and I heard they aren't any better when it comes to the X-Men), they'd adore the drama potential of one guy dating like 9 or more girls lol

 

[Scottish]

I have outlined general ideas for up to 4 Sequels to TNH. 2 visual novels and 2 more sandboxes.

All of which Buttholder also helped me discuss because we are nerds.

Please, please tell me one of them deals with Null's kids. You know he's gonna have a few.

 

[Tommy7358]

Please, please tell me one of them deals with Null's kids. You know he's gonna have a few.

Hmm, I'd personally much rather the team stick to the one protagonist per setting thing that I think they're going for. Surely there's a wealth of stories (and women) that still remain to be explored with Null beyond TNH's timeline right?

 

[Null Void Abyss]

You know he's gonna have a few.

a few ? our boy is gonna repopulate half of the mutant kind, after the genosha massacrer.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

So how does making something original square up with the fact that you've got ideas for up to 4 sequels for TNH lined up?

Different levels of autism.

Though it's more accurate that I and Buttholder specifically have ideas for 4 sequels.

The rest of the team is too focused on TNH and won't even let me outline chapter 4 because I can get obsessive when it comes to details.

After finishing TNH you guys go do that original game to make money and then you guys would return to THN sequels?

Most likely. Though there are other settings that the dev team has more shared knowledge in.

Buttholder and I are the most familiar with the comics with the other members mostly being Evo and the Fox movies.

Wouldn't that increase the chances of the Big Mouse noticing TNH and any potential sequels or is that too far away currently to be a concern?

Yeah it's too far away.

Is there any reason it's specifically 2 visual novels and 2 sandboxes or is it just how you've envisioned it for now?

The visual novels were suggested due to the narrative flow of that chapter in Null's life.

Hypothetically. Big stories like Marvel Civil War work better as a multi-route visual novels than they do as open sandboxes.

Does that still hold true today and is there any chance of this stance changing in the future?

Not entirely sure. We haven't discussed it in awhile.

Our head writer made a good argument in that if we make it similar to TNH with a mostly self insert protagonist, we'd have to devote a lot of time for players to customize as opposed to Null where y'all already have him fleshed out by the end of the game.

We almost went with the idea of having Null travel to other settings but multiverse BS ramped up around that time and we cut that line of thought.

Also, I wouldn't say they would be unshackled from 18+ characters if they made a SFW version. Boots has previously said that the dev team is staying away from any underaged characters like Gabby/Badger because even if they add her in with nothing questionable, people can take the artwork that is there and make illegal mods and that will all blowback on the team even if they had nothing to do with it so they aren't taking any chances like that.

This is still true.

I'm sure some fucked up individuals will still try. We're just not gonna make it easier for them by giving a Gabby face they can slap onto X-23's body and scale down.

And i repreat, such a shame, taking care of the baby gremlin with Laura would be absolutely wholesome.

Trust me. The entire dev-team is genuinely saddened by our inability to use her for wholesomeness.

good work to whoever wrote those btw

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Which got me thinking, if Null made his way in, would those comics make him out to be the biggest badboy playboy to have ever graced the pages? 'cause knowing how Marvel is with relationships (and I heard they aren't any better when it comes to the X-Men), they'd adore the drama potential of one guy dating like 9 or more girls lol

Null will never make it in.

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is head of Marvel comics on Earth-69 and he finds Null to be boring.

Due to his efforts, with a few exceptions, the events you experience as Null happen IDENTICALLY to how the events are shown in the comics with Null removed.

Captain America was one of the earliest to make it to print since Stan Lee and Jack Kirby knew him personally.

Please, please tell me one of them deals with Null's kids. You know he's gonna have a few.

Yes they had been accounted for in my discussions with Buttholder.

 

[salscou]

Trust me. The entire dev-team is genuinely saddened by our inability to use her for wholesomeness.

Shes the only new marvel character i have genuinely come to appreciate.

 

[silentdevil]

So, I bought the two additional mutant powers via the perk points, the one that gives X-ray capabilities, and I also bought the change my appearance stuff,

Do they actually do anything in game? How do I use them? should I have just gone full stamina and sex instead? I like to add a bit of utility I guess and it seems like my choices in powers aren't really being acknowledged.

Just curious if this is in game yet or just "for Flavour" so to speak.

I actually like this game, it's fun even if grinding the relationship points between the girls is frustratingly grindy trying to get them to be friends first so I can date them without issues.

 

[Tommy7358]

Not entirely sure. We haven't discussed it in awhile.

Our head writer made a good argument in that if we make it similar to TNH with a mostly self insert protagonist, we'd have to devote a lot of time for players to customize as opposed to Null where y'all already have him fleshed out by the end of the game.

We almost went with the idea of having Null travel to other settings but multiverse BS ramped up around that time and we cut that line of thought.


Null will never make it in.

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is head of Marvel comics on Earth-69 and he finds Null to be boring.

Due to his efforts, with a few exceptions, the events you experience as Null happen IDENTICALLY to how the events are shown in the comics with Null removed.

Captain America was one of the earliest to make it to print since Stan Lee and Jack Kirby knew him personally.

So your head writer's argument is in favour of continuing with Null as the protagonist for any future Marvel games right? Asking to make sure since I have previously mistaken statements being the opposite of what the writer meant.

If so, that's a good point in favour of Null remaining the protagonist that I haven't thought about; the self-insert thing where players get to choose Null's background and the choices he makes is massive draw or USP if you will for TNH and I'd imagine it would be even more so by the end of 6 chapters' worth of content and character attachment so if it make the writers' life easier in the process for any sequels all the better I say.


Why exactly does Richard Jones find Null boring to the point of excluding him from the comics the events he participated in? Or is that a question that will yet again cause the writers to do horrible things to you and your loved ones if you reveal it prematurely?

Asking for clarification once again, do you mean events go down as they do in the comics or that events go down as it happens in Earth-69 just with Null removed and his part being done by someone else on the team?

 

[Hiarus]

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So that's how someone managed to get Laura's internet history without dying, makes sense