Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8c] [Ron Chon]

[sleepingkirby]

Can we get more wardrobe save slots? 28 is not enough I want to have a bunch of different clothes combination/colours. I would settle with the double, but if it was possible to remove the cap, even better!

So... I found the code to remove the limit, but I don't know what that would do the save file... Afraid to try it out...

ETA: Yeah, looking at the data object for outfits. There's a lot in here. Enough bork a save/overtax the game engine? Maybe... If you really want it to be done, I can show you. But without extensive testing, I wouldn't make this a part of my cheat injector.

 

[FP00]

Comic readers will know that there is an event post-Phoenix Saga that would make Null basically go-

Would you believe it took me a moment to remember which event it was, because geez, even back during the Claremont era, the world was kicking mutants in the chin.

He may or may not have a few words for the X-Men when he goes back to being Captain America

Looking at a synopsis of that story, Captain America acts way more antagonistic than he realistically should, considering how many heroes he worked with being former assassins/child soldiers, brainwashed or otherwise, with several of them being active Avengers.

I'm guessing here, Captain America will be more sympathetic, especially as Laura will be active heroing much, much earlier than she did in the comics, and the majority of his anger will be directed at the people who purpose grew a child to be an assassin. Specifically, a child, because Weapon X just went out of their way to be bastards.

 

[Tommy7358]

Anyone else likes anti-hero/bitter Null? If so I would like to ask which song you people think would fit with this kind of Null.


A fellow VTMB player and a high humanity one of that? Color me impressed, I too dig going high humanity in VTM (I also did that on Night Road).

Say what you will about Troika Games and the jank in their games but they knew how to make actual RPGs where choices at least have some consequences.

We did think of the children. It made us make the decision that Gabby will never be appearing in our games and that Magik won't be a thing prior to her time in limbo.


Some girls will get off on Reluctant Null. Long term community members can probably guess who would get off on that Null the most.


Y'all muthafuckas thinking I was talking out my ass with saying we were TellTaleing this bitch didn'tcha?


We have a note to ensure that the game will recognize if you start Heroic, change during the mid point, and then go back to Heroic.

Comic readers will know that there is an event post-Phoenix Saga that would make Null basically go-
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Null's room decoration is on the to do list but it's really low priority right now.

Trust me, I too want a version of Bully's room updates.


Just letting you know that Laura still did those things. The only reason the interrogation scene didn't happen was because Captain America was too busy being Nomad to help.

He may or may not have a few words for the X-Men when he goes back to being Captain America

Which is a damn shame but I fully support it considering the potential for misuse is too high.


Then my Heroic Null will have to work doubly hard to woo them then!


I know you're using TellTale since they were by far the most well known adventure game creators since LucasArts but I'm hoping you guys won't actually go down the TellTale route since I personally find their games to become increasingly railroady as the plot advances and that the majority of choices don't make a lick of difference except for perhaps a slight change in the next couple sentences.


Don't look it up, don't look it up, DON'T LOOK IT UP...!


We'll all be very disappointed if it isn't anything like this gem from salscou:



Damn it, I accidentally spoiled myself again! Thankfully I have no context on what that means.

 

[NexivSelecaf]

We'll all be very disappointed if it isn't anything like this gem from salscou:
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Either HuniePop or Senran Kagura unlocked the interest, but I do like games where you collect panties.

 

[JLucci]

Im guessing that must be it then, i think i chose the reluctant archetype the most during choices.

Huh, thats pretty fucking neat then, i like that.

I thought people knew and I was an idiot for missing it this time around. But it's not about which archetype you choose/play. In fact, I would say what your scholarship is has more to do with getting the scene than your archetype. (Trying not to spoil it)

Its not your archetype that it checks for at that scene. I pointed it out in an earlier post of mine but didn't figure out what it affected until now:

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Edit: The quote wasn't expanding the post to show under one spoiler so I separated them.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Its not your archetype that it checks for at that scene. I pointed it out in an earlier post of mine but didn't figure out what it affected until now:

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Option 2 triggers the "dating" flag

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[JLucci]

Option 2 triggers the "dating" flag

Yep, that's the choice I mentioned in my earlier post. At the time I noticed it I thought it would be a flag for dating Storm in Ch2, but it looks like that's what leads to the kissing scene.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Also, fuck yeah, then we finally have an excuse for Null to meet Matt.

It didn't get that far. He wasn't there to apprehend Laura. That's how and why Wolverine got Laura to the mansion. They just had SHIELD goons to take care of, not powered heroes.

Geez, what did the X-men do at this point to Cap?

Do you want a list?

Don't think this is the end of the surprises, btw. We have stuff coming up that we've literally not discussed outside of the dev chat.

You all know I have a reputation for being reprimanded for oversharing so the fact that there's stuff that I haven't even hinted at? That should frighten and arouse you.

Looking at a synopsis of that story, Captain America acts way more antagonistic than he realistically should, considering how many heroes he worked with being former assassins/child soldiers, brainwashed or otherwise, with several of them being active Avengers.

The difference was context.

X-23 pretended to be a frail girl and killed nearly a hundred men, women, and children. Including the EMTs that were inspecting her.

X-23 would go on to murder other people. Even if she was brain washed.

The specific gripe Cap had was that he literally held her in his arms and she got away.

Though even then, he still let her go. In a later comic he states that she was just as much a victim. Being friends with Bucky would have made him a hypocrite if he didn't notice that.

I know you're using TellTale since they were by far the most well known adventure game creators since LucasArts but I'm hoping you guys won't actually go down the TellTale route since I personally find their games to become increasingly railroady as the plot advances and that the majority of choices don't make a lick of difference except for perhaps a slight change in the next couple sentences.

Well we can't give you 500 different endings and 50 different routes but we can and have had outcomes change based on your behavior.

There won't just be dialogue variants. Some characters will hold staggeringly different opinions of you depending on your choices during major events and your dominant character archetype.

 

[Tommy7358]

Yep, that's the choice I mentioned in my earlier post. At the time I noticed it I thought it would be a flag for dating Storm in Ch2, but it looks like that's what leads to the kissing scene.

Huh, so it's that specific dialogue option that triggers this kissing scene then; got to keep that in mind then.

You all know I have a reputation for being reprimanded for oversharing so the fact that there's stuff that I haven't even hinted at? That should frighten and arouse you.


Well we can't give you 500 different endings and 50 different routes but we can and have had outcomes change based on your behavior.

There won't just be dialogue variants. Some characters will hold staggeringly different opinions of you depending on your choices during major events and your dominant character archetype.

Arouse us you say...? Can we please have a little more sir?


I would expect that if I was a

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and could donate fat stacks of money to the cause but alas...

Jokes aside, I was just voicing my personal opinion of finding the games TellTale made to be surprisingly linear aside from a few key choices.

I'll be one happy camper if the whole "X will remember that" mechanic won't just be a placebo thing most of the time. And by the sounds of all the hints and breadcrumbs both Buttholder and you have dropped so far, I'm confident that I won't be dissappointed.

 

[Leathermax]

So if Storm is the type to drip down hard for boyscout type Null, what other chicks are there that would go mad gooning for the other types of Null?
I've no idea about Dazzler, and Kitty sounds like the kind to like very morally good guys as well, and peeps here mentioned that's also Emma's preference.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

So if Storm is the type to drip down hard for boyscout type Null, what other chicks are there that would go mad gooning for the other types of Null?
I've no idea about Dazzler, and Kitty sounds like the kind to like very morally good guys as well, and peeps here mentioned that's also Emma's preference.

Emma likes boyscouts. Scott, Cap, Spidey etc.
Storm seems like she would like "reluctant" as well as good souls. She likes it when you say you've never fought before in the intro. She also likes Wolverine, and he isn't always fluffy and kind, so maybe mean Null too.
Kitty likes Peter... but outside of that, hard to say. She likes good goodies too but also has a bit of a fiery side.
Dazzler is a very determined generally level headed gal, but she is reluctant when it comes to the whole super power thing, so she might like that.

So far personality seems like it changes the way people respond to you but not with any one personality getting more dialogue. School focus seems to have the exclusive dialogue so far.

 

[GrimmSol]

So... I found the code to remove the limit, but I don't know what that would do the save file... Afraid to try it out...

ETA: Yeah, looking at the data object for outfits. There's a lot in here. Enough bork a save/overtax the game engine? Maybe... If you really want it to be done, I can show you. But without extensive testing, I wouldn't make this a part of my cheat injector.

Nahh, it's alright. Don't want to risk bricking the save, I'll wait for it to be implemented, I'll just have to be more choosy lol. Cheers

 

[sleepingkirby]

Nahh, it's alright. Don't want to risk bricking the save, I'll wait for it to be implemented, I'll just have to be more choosy lol. Cheers

Sorry, I should have made that more clear. The change I would make wont' be any different than the dev's implementation. If there's too much data, cheat or not, it won't be implemented. Basically, if someone's willing to be the guinea pig and do some extensive testing, that might encourage the change to happen, dev or cheat-wise. This isn't the kind of change that RonChon nor even I, an actual programmer, would know the change's full extent and influence without, at least, a good amount of testing.

TLDR; The change I can suggest would be, virtually, the same change RonChon would make. Unless someone volunteers to try it out it's very hard to know what the practical effects this change would cause. Basically, do you want it bad enough to be subject number 1 because it might not happen otherwise.

 

[sleepingkirby]

Option 2 triggers the "dating" flag

"Flags" look like this in code:

./characters/Rogue/events/relationship/first_sex.rpy:343:        $ Rogue.History.update("sex")

./characters/Rogue/events/relationship/boyfriend.rpy:616:    $ Rogue.History.update("started_relationship")

OroroMunroe has no dating flag at this point. Here are all the instances where Ororo's flags are updated.

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This sounds like minutia but it's actually really important.

It's a numerical threshold check. Meaning, you can get into the threshold and to be able to pass the check, but if you then make her mad prior to the event, you still won't get the scene. The problem is, there are very limited scenes that you have an opportunity to get Ororo's love and trust up to said threshold prior to the shadow king event and there are a few chances to make her dislike you so there's very little room (if any) for error. And one of opportunities only happens if you're under the academic scholarship. Basically, be a kind, mature and empathetic person in front of Ororo and have a genuine interest in academics and Ororo, a professor who likes kind, mature and empathetic people will respond in kind.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

"Flags" look like this in code:

./characters/Rogue/events/relationship/first_sex.rpy:343:        $ Rogue.History.update("sex")

./characters/Rogue/events/relationship/boyfriend.rpy:616:    $ Rogue.History.update("started_relationship")

OroroMunroe has no dating flag at this point. Here are all the instances where Ororo's flags are updated.

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This sounds like minutia but it's actually really important.

It's a numerical threshold check. Meaning, you can get into the threshold and to be able to pass the check, but if you then make her mad prior to the event, you still won't get the scene. The problem is, there are very limited scenes that you have an opportunity to get Ororo's love and trust up to said threshold prior to the shadow king event and there are a few chances to make her dislike you so there's very little room (if any) for error. And one of opportunities only happens if you're under the academic scholarship. Basically, be a kind, mature and empathetic person in front of Ororo and have a genuine interest in academics and Ororo, a professor who likes kind, mature and empathetic people will respond in kind.

I mean, it behaves something akin to a flag since that dialogue is required to be checked regardless of your approval with her in order to get that condition. It's just that it also requires said approval in order to activate and stay active.
Is that more or less correct?
Or is the dialogue choice not required at all?
Seems to be needed since this is choice 1

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[salscou]

Sorry, I should have made that more clear. The change I would make wont' be any different than the dev's implementation. If there's too much data, cheat or not, it won't be implemented. Basically, if someone's willing to be the guinea pig and do some extensive testing, that might encourage the change to happen, dev or cheat-wise. This isn't the kind of change that RonChon nor even I, an actual programmer, would know the change's full extent and influence without, at least, a good amount of testing.

TLDR; The change I can suggest would be, virtually, the same change RonChon would make. Unless someone volunteers to try it out it's very hard to know what the practical effects this change would cause. Basically, do you want it bad enough to be subject number 1 because it might not happen otherwise.

"Flags" look like this in code:

./characters/Rogue/events/relationship/first_sex.rpy:343:        $ Rogue.History.update("sex")

./characters/Rogue/events/relationship/boyfriend.rpy:616:    $ Rogue.History.update("started_relationship")

OroroMunroe has no dating flag at this point. Here are all the instances where Ororo's flags are updated.

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This sounds like minutia but it's actually really important.

It's a numerical threshold check. Meaning, you can get into the threshold and to be able to pass the check, but if you then make her mad prior to the event, you still won't get the scene. The problem is, there are very limited scenes that you have an opportunity to get Ororo's love and trust up to said threshold prior to the shadow king event and there are a few chances to make her dislike you so there's very little room (if any) for error. And one of opportunities only happens if you're under the academic scholarship. Basically, be a kind, mature and empathetic person in front of Ororo and have a genuine interest in academics and Ororo, a professor who likes kind, mature and empathetic people will respond in kind.

I mean, it behaves something akin to a flag since that dialogue is required to be checked regardless of your approval with her in order to get that condition. It's just that it also requires said approval in order to activate and stay active.
Is that more or less correct?
Or is the dialogue choice not required at all?
Seems to be needed since this is choice 1

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Please explain the mumbo jumbo for my brain that does not understand code wizardry, what exactly changed the outcome?

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

"Flags" look like this in code:

./characters/Rogue/events/relationship/first_sex.rpy:343:        $ Rogue.History.update("sex")

./characters/Rogue/events/relationship/boyfriend.rpy:616:    $ Rogue.History.update("started_relationship")

OroroMunroe has no dating flag at this point. Here are all the instances where Ororo's flags are updated.

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This sounds like minutia but it's actually really important.

It's a numerical threshold check. Meaning, you can get into the threshold and to be able to pass the check, but if you then make her mad prior to the event, you still won't get the scene. The problem is, there are very limited scenes that you have an opportunity to get Ororo's love and trust up to said threshold prior to the shadow king event and there are a few chances to make her dislike you so there's very little room (if any) for error. And one of opportunities only happens if you're under the academic scholarship. Basically, be a kind, mature and empathetic person in front of Ororo and have a genuine interest in academics and Ororo, a professor who likes kind, mature and empathetic people will respond in kind.

I'm not seeing a particular approval threshold. It seems to be that once you select that choice, it's on. Or am I missing something?

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I don't think there are any interactions with her between these two. Might have missed something.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Please explain the mumbo jumbo for my brain that does not understand code wizardry, what exactly changed the outcome?

The wave function of the outcome became set in a state after we measured it. We fucked up. Now Storm hates us. Sorry guys.


Anyway, pick that choice. Outside of that I don't know if there are approval checks or what the numbers specifically are. Doesn't hurt to say things she likes throughout ch1. Dialogue rollback is cool.

 

[salscou]

The wave function of the outcome became set in a state after we measured it. We fucked up. Now Storm hates us. Sorry guys.


Anyway, pick that choice. Outside of that I don't know if there are approval checks or what the numbers specifically are. Doesn't hurt to say things she likes throughout ch1. Dialogue rollback is cool.

I didnt hit on her on that moment but still got it on.

 

[Scottish]

He may or may not have a few words for the X-Men when he goes back to being Captain America

Null: So you want to talk to the annoyed redneck or the short, pissed Canadian father?