Ren'Py Abandoned The Red Room [v0.5b] [Alishia]

[Mr_Ainz]

Bro sometimes I want to make a game and then abandon it just to read the comments 5 years later of people still mad

 

[super_slicer]

Please get over yourself. The one and ONLY point I wanted to make was that if the creator is unwilling or unable to finnis they should hand the baton over to someone qualified to finnish it (obviously not me as I know squat about coding these games), and to be fair to them they should be paid a reasonable fee for the rights. If that is 50$ or 500$ I have no idea but it can be negotiated to reach a reasonable amount. No rights violated and no law broken, especially if publishing it here came with that rule. No reply needed.

Bruh, you don't even know how a public forum works in a general sense and you're acting like I'm some elitist for telling you that you're ignorant and that ignorance will impede your efforts.

 

[Rex72]

Do I really have to be that level of obvious? Naturally this applies to those who DO publish their work here by choice. Creators do deserve to be paid for their work, ONCE, when it is done. Patreon is NEVER a good way to pay for games when you do not know how big they will be and/or when they will be complete. Several creators abuse the system and lie to the players just to milk them for money,I hate that.

 

[beastsumoda]

you can always pay for the finished game. if a creator is really passionate about it. he will finish it sooner or later

 

[Buletti]

Several creators abuse the system and lie to the players just to milk them for money,I hate that.

I have honestly never understood this Argument. Everyone on Patreon or SS should be old enough to handle their own finances. No dev can threaten anyone to stay a backer. If someone wants to support a dev no matter what, I could not think about a reason to "hate" that.

 

[Veeron]

Ultimately what to do with this game is up to Alishia and noone else. What other interested person with developing skills can do is make a spiritual successor to this game, but not having direct ties to it.

 

[Rex72]

I have honestly never understood this Argument. Everyone on Patreon or SS should be old enough to handle their own finances. No dev can threaten anyone to stay a backer. If someone wants to support a dev no matter what, I could not think about a reason to "hate" that.

They claim progress is on the way, but deliver little or nothing just a empty "update" that do nothing to bring the game forward or to a conclusion, just keeping the patreons hopeful enough to not stop paying for nothing. This is abuse of the system and trust of the players. This has nothing to do with "handling your finances" this is ripping of players and I DO despise abusers and lyers. There is verry fiew who wish to just give away money to support a creator not creating. Do you understand now why we think of those "creators" as thieves taking money with out delivering "product"?

 

[super_slicer]

They claim progress is on the way, but deliver little or nothing just a empty "update" that do nothing to bring the game forward or to a conclusion, just keeping the patreons hopeful enough to not stop paying for nothing. This is abuse of the system and trust of the players. This has nothing to do with "handling your finances" this is ripping of players and I DO despise abusers and lyers. There is verry fiew who wish to just give away money to support a creator not creating. Do you understand now why we think of those "creators" as thieves taking money with out delivering "product"?

"A fool and his money are soon parted". Patreon has always marketed itself as a tip-jar, not an exchange or retailer. Advocating for people that have the capacity for, yet elect not to act on good judgment is an exercise in futility, because they DESERVE to be exploited. IF those people had acted on good judgment exploitation would be rare and regularly updated, shit even released H-games would be incentivized.

 

[Rex72]

"A fool and his money are soon parted". Patreon has always marketed itself as a tip-jar, not an exchange or retailer. Advocating for people that have the capacity for, yet elect not to act on good judgment is an exercise in futility, because they DESERVE to be exploited. IF those people had acted on good judgment exploitation would be rare and regularly updated, shit even released H-games would be incentivized.

If patreon had a 1 time donation and not automatically recurring perhaps or even the option to set the amount and duration ie .50 usd for 3 months or what ever you would choose would the tip jar idea hold water. If I tip at a restaurant (not standard in my country) I do not commit to a recurring tip that takes effort to stop. Being naive is not a legitimate reason to be abused in any situation (life money or sex) so I do not agree with your premise.

 

[super_slicer]

Being naive is not a legitimate reason to be abused in any situation (life money or sex) so I do not agree with your premise.

Being willfully ignorant is though, which is exactly the situation.

If patreon had a 1 time donation and not automatically recurring perhaps or even the option to set the amount and duration ie .50 usd for 3 months or what ever you would choose would the tip jar idea hold water. If I tip at a restaurant (not standard in my country) I do not commit to a recurring tip that takes effort to stop.

False equivalencies aren't going to cut it. Patreon tells you up front that you are committing to a recurring payment scheme. Assenting to that is your own damn fault.

 

[Rex72]

Being willfully ignorant is though, which is exactly the situation.


False equivalencies aren't going to cut it. Patreon tells you up front that you are committing to a recurring payment scheme. Assenting to that is your own damn fault.

Witch is why I never use it, even if I wish to send a 1 time "encouragement" to a creator I do not because of the broken system.

 

[null91]

i hate this alishia so fucking much
this is the only game with no sex scene ad i still love it
great story
very kinky
incest
futa trans
nice magazine option
but of course she dont give a fuck
destroyin best game idea so far
can someone took all game and just continue her story?
i dont think she care anymore

 

[beastsumoda]

someone needs to pick up his/her mantle

 

[Rex72]

I have honestly never understood this Argument. Everyone on Patreon or SS should be old enough to handle their own finances. No dev can threaten anyone to stay a backer. If someone wants to support a dev no matter what, I could not think about a reason to "hate" that.

I never said that they "threaten" any one, what they do is far more insidious. They keep players hoping (even against reason manny times) that the story/game will continue/evolve and repay their investment in time and money, but it doesn't. At best there are token "updates" that is only to keep players hoping for a worthwhile continuation and/or end but no significant new material is added. False hope is evil, I do hate evil.
That is why I call those "creators" patreon milkers, "fake" updates only designed to keep players paying for nothing. Taking money for nothing does not make you any friends, only disappointed haters of your "work".
Do you want to pay for nothing? If so I can create my own patreon account and send you the info.

 

[Buletti]

I never said that they "threaten" any one, what they do is far more insidious. They keep players hoping (even against reason manny times) that the story/game will continue/evolve and repay their investment in time and money, but it doesn't. At best there are token "updates" that is only to keep players hoping for a worthwhile continuation and/or end but no significant new material is added. False hope is evil, I do hate evil.
That is why I call those "creators" patreon milkers, "fake" updates only designed to keep players paying for nothing. Taking money for nothing does not make you any friends, only disappointed haters of your "work".
Do you want to pay for nothing? If so I can create my own patreon account and send you the info.

My point exactly.

If for some reason I liked you, I would give you money to support you for whatever you do because it is MY choice and MY money. If I don't like you any more or feel like I don't get what I want anymore I just quit the same month.

There is nothing you as recipient of my money could do to keep me sending my money.

 

[Rex72]

My point exactly.

If for some reason I liked you, I would give you money to support you for whatever you do because it is MY choice and MY money. If I don't like you any more or feel like I don't get what I want anymore I just quit the same month.

There is nothing you as recipient of my money could do to keep me sending my money.

Patreon is not meant to be a charity, you want to throw away your money on nothing, do it on your own not on a site for active game/video production.

 

[super_slicer]

Patreon -snip- a site for active game/video production.

Stop lying. That is not the purpose of patreon and we all know it. They don't advertise their service as that and they don't receive the majority of their "business" for that. If we were talking kickstarter, you'd have a leg to stand on.

 

[Rex72]

Stop lying. That is not the purpose of patreon and we all know it. They don't advertise their service as that and they don't receive the majority of their "business" for that. If we were talking kickstarter, you'd have a leg to stand on.

I do NOT lie. It makes NO difference what patreon was designed for in the beginning, none what so ever. What IS the point is how some creators abuse it to with out justification, cheating players to keep paying them by ever teasing and never delivering the promised content (or only token updates). That is what I HATE wirth a passion, not the fact that patreon exists, it is only a tool used for in this case bad behaviour. If paypal or a bank was used I still would not like this behaviour. If you try to hit me I don´t care if you use a pipe or a bat it´s the hitting I oppose, obviously.

 

[super_slicer]

I do NOT lie. It makes NO difference what patreon was designed for in the beginning, none what so ever. What IS the point is how some creators abuse it to with out justification, cheating players to keep paying them by ever teasing and never delivering the promised content (or only token updates). That is what I HATE wirth a passion, not the fact that patreon exists, it is only a tool used for in this case bad behaviour. If paypal or a bank was used I still would not like this behaviour. If you try to hit me I don´t care if you use a pipe or a bat it´s the hitting I oppose, obviously.

ROFL I already addressed this in the quoted post. Game development is not anywhere close to their majority income. You are attempting to deceive by coloring them as a "a site for active game/video production", omitting their majority function.

I'll state it again: Willful ignorance deserves to be exploited. And in the majority of cases that is exactly what's happening.