VN Ren'Py The Roommate [v0.11.04] [togs]

[xapican]

Remind me who Suzie is? Was this in latest update?

The ex Girlfriend, and MC first love, she apeared in the update before this one suddently in the office, in this update you have the choice to make her "friend with benfits if you like" and more background story is deliverd as why she left and married another guy, (now divorced)

 

[xapican]

MC, how is she still able to be involved with the whole 4-sisters-pregnancy path?

Not trying to whiteout anything, the babies, from the 4 sisters, (which all come from the orphanage of the comp) are meant to secure a succesor, since MC has some strange genetic disease. (all explained in the ex girlfriend date at the coffee shop)
So having children is more a matter of securing the Family power and wealth, not necesary a love thing.

 

[Porthas]

Not trying to whiteout anything, the babies, from the 4 sisters, (which all come from the orphanage of the comp) are meant to secure a succesor, since MC has some strange genetic disease. (all explained in the ex girlfriend date at the coffee shop)
So having children is more a matter of securing the Family power and wealth, not necesary a love thing.

If one of the sisters isn't providing baby stem cells from MC babies because she is fooling around, she's completely wasting everyone's time with the whole process.

 

[Porthas]

Not to even mention bringing STD's into the whole 4 way sex project...

 

[xapican]

If one of the sisters isn't providing baby stem cells from MC babies because she is fooling around, she's completely wasting everyone's time with the whole process.

Agreed, but why he need the stem cells from 4 ? and she can provide, even being, with someone else.
(in this concept the emotional/romantic aspect is left out it is just medical and technical) of course if you bring MC feelings and Ego into the equation it is like you said.
My post what you quoted, was mere informative, not taking any side in this, not saying it is right or wrong,(which is totally out of discussion from the ethical aspekt how yo pointed out)

 

[Porthas]

Agreed, but why he need the stem cells from 4 ? and she can provide, even being, with someone else.
(in this concept the emotional/romantic aspect is left out it is just medical and technical) of course if you bring MC feelings and Ego into the equation it is like you said.
My post what you quoted, was mere informative, not taking any side in this, not saying it is right or wrong,(which is totally out of discussion from the ethical aspekt how yo pointed out)

The doctor, when telling MC about his problem, tells him the more STEM cells the better, the more babies the better, the more of the sisters who can provide him those STEM cells through babies, the better. Because they'll need them in manufacturing a treatment.

 

[NebulousShooter]

To me her being a prostitute as her default fate if the MC is not pursuing her is the same shitty trope of if you are not dating this LI she ends up dead. As if her only happy ending is dependent on MC saving her from herself with his magic dick, its such unsatisfactory storytelling.

In this save I don't care about her romantically, that doesn't automatically mean I don't want the best for her as a friend, or roommate. Give her a relationship with a decent guy/girl that doesn't treat her like a peace of meat, I don't care as long as I don't see anything more than PDA to legitimize the point of her moving on, but this is just dumb.

At this point remove the rework and add back the OG Randy plot and her being sneaky with the MC, that you keep being salty 'that you were forced' to change, since apparently her being a bicycle waiting to surface unless the MC babysits her seems to be her true butterfly form.

Spoiler: slightly OT rant

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To this day that ranks as the most unsatisfactory dedicated run of a AVN I've ever done and this situation here reminds me of that in some ways and is probably the primary reason for my burning hate dislike of LIs that have to be saved from becoming sluts.

wHy dO yOu CaRe if you are not dating her? Because on the spectrum there are more relationship states than Disney Romance and 'I don't give a fuck what happens to her', people don't operate in -100 and 100 and zero inbetween, same way there is a huge amount of character development that needs to happen to get a prostitute, or a fisting prolapsing pornstar from a shy virgin girl.


Edit: Kinda interesting fact that every controversy and bugs seems to be about ntrish/beta dialogue/renders/variables seeping into the vanilla/alpha routes and never the other way around, makes me wonder if togs is in the same camp as the Big City's Pleasures and TripleEx devs where they are clearly stuck with the wrong majority audience than what their preferred fetishes are.

 

[sauron93]

Am I buzzing or Lois had a second visit at the lodge, and there was some sharing scene?? Did that get removed or replaced by Kiki?

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

To me her being a prostitute as her default fate if the MC is not pursuing her is the same shitty trope of if you are not dating this LI she ends up dead. As if her only happy ending is dependent on MC saving her from herself with his magic dick, its such unsatisfactory storytelling.

In this save I don't care about her romantically, that doesn't automatically mean I don't want the best for her as a friend, or roommate. Give her a relationship with a decent guy/girl that doesn't treat her like a peace of meat, I don't care as long as I don't see anything more than PDA to legitimize the point of her moving on, but this is just dumb.

At this point remove the rework and add back the OG Randy plot and her being sneaky with the MC, that you keep being salty 'that you were forced' to change, since apparently her being a bicycle waiting to surface unless the MC babysits her seems to be her true butterfly form.

Spoiler: slightly OT rant

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To this day that ranks as the most unsatisfactory dedicated run of a AVN I've ever done and this situation here reminds me of that in some ways and is probably the primary reason for my burning hate dislike of LIs that have to be saved from becoming sluts.

wHy dO yOu CaRe if you are not dating her? Because on the spectrum there are more relationship states than Disney Romance and 'I don't give a fuck what happens to her', people don't operate in -100 and 100 and zero inbetween, same way there is a huge amount of character development that needs to happen to get a prostitute, or a fisting prolapsing pornstar from a shy virgin girl.


Edit: Kinda interesting fact that every controversy and bugs seems to be about ntrish/beta dialogue/renders/variables seeping into the vanilla/alpha routes and never the other way around, makes me wonder if togs is in the same camp as the Big City's Pleasures and TripleEx devs where they are clearly stuck with the wrong majority audience than what their preferred fetishes are.
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Usually I disagree with you, but completely on the same page with the ORS style railroading, to which fans will say "BUt bUt muH you Had DeCisiOns!!!" when to any objective eye it's clear evakiss has a hardon for getting the token bbc together will all the girls, regardless of if ian is with them....and some of these tropes do spill over here with both Lois and Kari.

Because on the spectrum there are more relationship states than Disney Romance and 'I don't give a fuck what happens to her', people don't operate in -100 and 100 and zero inbetween, same way there is a huge amount of character development that needs to happen to get a prostitute, or a fisting prolapsing pornstar from a shy virgin girl.

This is true, however I'd wonder how many of those calling foul are really operating from the perspective of wanting a healthy relationship for their friend?

That's to say, while you're not wrong it's unfair that people say "you arent dating her so she can become a whore", on the other hand, how many players would really be okay with any LI having ANY kind of male relationship outside of the MC, even if it was a decent guy that treated them well? I'm convinced the majority want the equally ridiculous side of the magic-dick-coin; which is all LIs live chaste and boring lives if they aren't together with the MC.

The reason it feels like [ntrish/beta dialogue/renders/variables] as you call them seep in is because players are so accustomed to magic-dick-harem-land that any kind of reality feels jarring. GRANTED, I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT KARI BEING A 10 DOLLA HOOKER <-- that stuff is way out there by any normal view. But stuff like the sex quiz at the end, that seemed totally innocuous.

 

[erikhuis]

I deleted the game and re-extracted the files and it worked without the mod installed. May be an issue with the mod.

Thanks i will try that

 

[Porthas]

Usually I disagree with you, but completely on the same page with the ORS style railroading, to which fans will say "BUt bUt muH you Had DeCisiOns!!!" when to any objective eye it's clear evakiss has a hardon for getting the token bbc together will all the girls, regardless of if ian is with them....and some of these tropes do spill over here with both Lois and Kari.
This is true, however I'd wonder how many of those calling foul are really operating from the perspective of wanting a healthy relationship for their friend?

That's to say, while you're not wrong it's unfair that people say "you arent dating her so she can become a whore", on the other hand, how many players would really be okay with any LI having ANY kind of male relationship outside of the MC, even if it was a decent guy that treated them well? I'm convinced the majority want the equally ridiculous side of the magic-dick-coin; which is all LIs live chaste and boring lives if they aren't together with the MC.

The reason it feels like [ntrish/beta dialogue/renders/variables] as you call them seep in is because players are so accustomed to magic-dick-harem-land that any kind of reality feels jarring. GRANTED, I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT KARI BEING A 10 DOLLA HOOKER <-- that stuff is way out there by any normal view. But stuff like the sex quiz at the end, that seemed totally innocuous.

I think most folks would be fine with non-LI's having their own love life. We're just not invested in it, so we don't have to see it and we don't want to see it. I prefer a tight focus on the MC's perspective when it comes to story-telling, with any kind of story, really. Too many writers kill a narratives' momentum by switching perspectives or with flashbacks, etc.

None of the sex quizzes bothered me, I think that was the dev's way of trying to feel out what kind of content the player is interested in seeing.

I prefer games that just give us buttons to turn on and off fetishes - in the main menu. And yes they do exist. The Inn is one that comes to mind right off the top of my head. But hey, whatever.

 

[lorkdubo]

I don't understand why would she be whoring herself when she is an office worker in a big tech company. That and she also doesn't have any kind of financial problems. This kind of reasoning really paints her in a wrong way in retrospect.

 

[kevcolqaz]

I don't understand why would she be whoring herself when she is an office worker in a big tech company. That and she also doesn't have any kind of financial problems. This kind of reasoning really paints her in a wrong way in retrospect.

The dev hasn't given a big thought to this, I think he just added it, if he wanted to do it he should have done it slowly with permission from mc, or removed the character from the game, but she suddenly wants money for no reason for a living when she works in a company and lives with mc.

 

[SomeoneX22]

I've got a lot of catching up to do here, will be responding to various questions, etc., over the next few days!

Is there full bush option for Lois? First one "I enjoy variety" kinda unclear.

So much tease in this update.
I wish we could see results of story choices in same version when they are introduced, instead of having to wait 2-3 updates.

 

[NebulousShooter]

This is true, however I'd wonder how many of those calling foul are really operating from the perspective of wanting a healthy relationship for their friend?

That's to say, while you're not wrong it's unfair that people say "you arent dating her so she can become a whore", on the other hand, how many players would really be okay with any LI having ANY kind of male relationship outside of the MC, even if it was a decent guy that treated them well?

I am well aware that I am pretty unique in that I don't mind in the saves I don't pursue them, the girls finding happiness elsewhere. Same with my homies, in the rare cases when they are not annoying dumbasses. In fact I actually prefer if LI find happiness regardless of the MC, like I just said, I hate that trope that if you don't date her she doesn't get a happy ending. Is just garbage storytelling in my eyes.

the only rules I need to be followed for me to be ok with them dating are
- it has to be a decent human being that treats them right, which in most cases, especially in NTR/FMC games its not. You have a character that you can see is a pieces of trash from their first moment on screen, everyone should be able to pick up on that, hell sometimes they just announce how evil and how little they care about the LI and somehow they still fall for them, making the LI seem insanely dumb in the process and me having to facepalm my way through the rest of the game.

- the only thing I need shown/read about is PDA, kissing, hugging, handholding enough to portray a relationship, I do not need to read details about their sex life, or worse voyeur scenes with them.

- them moving on has to be for their sake and not to spite/make the MC jealous, or other childish variations of that.

The reason it feels like [ntrish/beta dialogue/renders/variables] as you call them seep in is because players are so accustomed to magic-dick-harem-land that any kind of reality feels jarring. GRANTED, I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT KARI BEING A 10 DOLLA HOOKER <-- that stuff is way out there by any normal view. But stuff like the sex quiz at the end, that seemed totally innocuous.

In case you misanderstood where I was going with that, the fact that it only happens one way made me have the supposition that togs works on the slutty paths first(as I assume thats what he enjoys) and the vanilla ones are the afterthought, thats why in bugs dialogue/variables/renders from the slutty paths appear on the vanilla paths, and not the other way.
Gaming analogy, free for all fuck fest routes are the console version, the vanilla routes are the PC ports

Again, this is just a guess on my part from following the development on this thread(granted, I sometimes read every other update, so I guess I get the curated version of the conversations and not the ones that got deleted, or edited), I have no idea what togs actually likes, or his workflow.

 

[Estius]

I don't understand why would she be whoring herself when she is an office worker in a big tech company. That and she also doesn't have any kind of financial problems. This kind of reasoning really paints her in a wrong way in retrospect.

Yeah, it's also extremely out of character for her. Not sure why the dev would throw that in there. Not that I've seen it. She's always in the paths I play in the game. That was just a weird decision on the devs part I think.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

That is, a shy personality girl who got rejected by a guy she really wants badly - to see her go off the deep end is entirely realistic writing. I think bad writing would be the alternative to this, that a shy introverted girl would get rejected by the guy she loves and react by sitting at home, doing nothing, pining for him.

Bad writing was not why she end up there, it's how she end up there.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's confused by this game. For the most part I think this is a fun game and I'm not expecting the Greatest Story Ever Told. In fact, I'm a little tired of games that take their stories painfully serious. But TR feels like it's just getting sloppy. I have a hard time keeping up with all of the characters, their motivations, and the consequences of my choices. When the ex-girlfriend showed up I was honestly confused if this was someone that I was supposed to remember and have strong feelings over. Kari and her sisters just get more confusing the more I play.

Completely agree on that. If they were at least consistent I may can keep up with the story but as of right now, it's a mess. I feel like game becoming and then style writing. Characters do stuff without any base behind it because there should be something.

Furthermore, either answer only affects her confidence/sluttiness, neither sets status or relationship. So yeah, it would be misleading for a player on that path. Though I still maintain what I said earlier, I've no idea why anyone WOULD BE on that path.

tbh, if someone did not mention fisting scene I'd would have missed all of it. I always adore Kari, so she is either exclusive or one of the girlfriends for me but those paths, damn it.

Not trying to whiteout anything, the babies, from the 4 sisters, (which all come from the orphanage of the comp) are meant to secure a succesor, since MC has some strange genetic disease. (all explained in the ex girlfriend date at the coffee shop)
So having children is more a matter of securing the Family power and wealth, not necesary a love thing.

Yes and no, babies will help to cure MC's disease iirc. Other than that, yeah love is optional to make them but still either for as an heir or cure reasons, having one dollar baby in the backroom of a shady bar would not fit the purpose.

Agreed, but why he need the stem cells from 4 ? and she can provide, even being, with someone else.

Not just 4 but they will need 10 or more kids in the long run. Also sisters gentically modified to be perfect recipient to MC's genes so it's only possible with those 4 and considering how limited time MC has, Kari should have put a bullet through MC's head.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

To me her being a prostitute as her default fate if the MC is not pursuing her is the same shitty trope of if you are not dating this LI she ends up dead. As if her only happy ending is dependent on MC saving her from herself with his magic dick, its such unsatisfactory storytelling.

In this save I don't care about her romantically, that doesn't automatically mean I don't want the best for her as a friend, or roommate. Give her a relationship with a decent guy/girl that doesn't treat her like a peace of meat, I don't care as long as I don't see anything more than PDA to legitimize the point of her moving on, but this is just dumb.

At this point remove the rework and add back the OG Randy plot and her being sneaky with the MC, that you keep being salty 'that you were forced' to change, since apparently her being a bicycle waiting to surface unless the MC babysits her seems to be her true butterfly form.

Spoiler: slightly OT rant

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To this day that ranks as the most unsatisfactory dedicated run of a AVN I've ever done and this situation here reminds me of that in some ways and is probably the primary reason for my burning hate dislike of LIs that have to be saved from becoming sluts.

wHy dO yOu CaRe if you are not dating her? Because on the spectrum there are more relationship states than Disney Romance and 'I don't give a fuck what happens to her', people don't operate in -100 and 100 and zero inbetween, same way there is a huge amount of character development that needs to happen to get a prostitute, or a fisting prolapsing pornstar from a shy virgin girl.


Edit: Kinda interesting fact that every controversy and bugs seems to be about ntrish/beta dialogue/renders/variables seeping into the vanilla/alpha routes and never the other way around, makes me wonder if togs is in the same camp as the Big City's Pleasures and TripleEx devs where they are clearly stuck with the wrong majority audience than what their preferred fetishes are.
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I am trying to agree with you more but I simply cannot. Everything you said was 100% spot on, including the ORS shit. Alison and Cindy needing that much of babysitting is frustrating at least.
I also mentioned Randy thing, if 100 dollars was enough her to gangbang 10 or more people, Randy had a right to ride that bicycle at least 50 times. Same shit went down with Kiki and Aiden.

The thing is I am not against NTR, cheating, sharing, cucking etc. as long as it has a good story, all of them okay for me. Just make it right, we'll be good.

 

[Bombmaster]

This game rn

Follow your destiny Neo
Make sum babies and be the sole male dick in your batcave, scrapped omega girls content we serve why why?
The line was so cringey that made me smile and repeat back.

Take the other branch and share yo girls for sum reason? If the girls were already showing a baby bump, maybe? For the kinky double down, the mismatch signals is strange for me, sharing the other hoes fine. Not the sister wives club.

Sadly I'm kinda like NTR just the setup is atrocious.

 

[GeppettoPossum]

None of this NTR discussion changes the fact that Kari should NOT be on both the whore and 4-sister-pregnancy paths at the same time. If she wants to whore herself out, then I don't need her complicating things as far as securing the conceiving of my future children goes. As another commenter mentioned, STDs are a HUGE concern in that situation. Not to mention there will be a concern about the paternity of any children (at least until a DNA test can be done).

Honestly if she's on the whore path, the MC shouldn't be fucking her at all as far as I'm concerned.

That being said, I'm thankful I'm not on that path with her. She's a loving girlfriend who would never consider selling herself for $100.