VN Ren'Py The Roommate [v0.11.04] [togs]

[Snugglepuff]

The thing that the people that are into the NTR/sharing stuff don't understand is that, to the people that dislike it, the why and the how don't make a difference

Based on what I've seen on these forums alone, the majority of people into netorare do understand that.

the fact that it leads to the girl sleeping with other guys supersedes all of it.

No shit... Who'd a thunk all the times people literally saying that kind of thing, actually meant that!

So the reason we say it's all the same is because it all results in LIs having sex with others

Does that include when it's someone who the MC isn't in a relationship with, or literally any and all potential "love" interests in a game?

while the differences boil down to details that we litterally could not care less.

The part I've put in bold, that's what the real problem between the two "sides" is.
The amount of ignorant dumb-fucks that take that stance, is literally what is causing all the problems in threads where there's even a slight, infintessimally small hint that there might be netorare, because they don't know what actually is and isn't netorare, so they label any time a potential LI is even in a relationship with a character other than the MC with "hurr-durr, NTR!", when it literally isn't.

What's worse, this exact discussion has been had hundresds, if not thousands of times on these forums alone, and they still refuse to either listen, learn, or even grow-up enough to realise how ridiculous they sound.

Hell, I guarantee that until this very line, you'd think I was in favour of netorare... I fucking avoid it unless it's purely optional, because then I'd have to conciously make a choice to see that shit. Sadly that line of thinking is lost on most of the "anti-ntr" retards.

 

[Uthuriel]

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There is no such thing as a potential LI.
Devs have to decide who is a LI way before they even write a single line of code.

That's why arguments like:

"She wasn't a LI before, yes the MC was able to watch her take ten miles of cock, but now she is sooooooo in love with him."

don't fly.

The character is already ruined.

 

[xapican]

There is no such thing as a potential LI.
Devs have to decide who is a LI way before they even write a single line of code.

That's why arguments like:

"She wasn't a LI before, yes the MC was able to watch her take ten miles of cock, but now she is sooooooo in love with him."

don't fly.

The character is already ruined.

That is ok, others, might get a straw and clean her, to romantically pursue her, by all respect for your prefereces, It is exactly what I said, some like it some don't .
by the way there is no netorare, or netori in this game, there is only swinging and prostitution, which is both avoidable .
I didn't get the point why suddently the tedious explaining of what is what started here
(please don't tell Trope that I dyed Scarletts hair..... )

 

[Uthuriel]

..others, might get a straw and clean her..

bruh...

 

[Maviarab]

There is no such thing as a potential LI.

Yes there is, because you make the choice whether to pursue them or not. Dev also may change his mind on a character, which as you should be well aware of, happens frequently.

In the case of this VN, if you choose (twice I might add) you do not want a (potential) LI...then what's the fucking problem what the fuck they then do?

 

[internet_says]

what's the fucking problem what the fuck they then do?

I'd say 70 to 80% of the complaints are mostly "why do you keep forcing NTR on me when I keep choosing the NTR route", followed by "this porn game has too much porn in it," and then "why are my saves from the modded version I forgot I modded broken on the vanilla version this update." It's like a brain dead petting zoo.

 

[Snugglepuff]

There is no such thing as a potential LI.

Yes there is.
Every time any dev makes them optional, they are literally only potential at that point.

Devs have to decide who is a LI way before they even write a single line of code.

You really are naive...

That's why arguments like:

"She wasn't a LI before, yes the MC was able to watch her take ten miles of cock, but now she is sooooooo in love with him."

don't fly.

The character is already ruined.

So in your eyes, the women must be single and probably virgins too... Otherwise they've already been ruined by virtue of the fact that if they're not single, they've most likely been having sex with their partner and who knows how many before them too.
If they are single and not a virgin, then the same thing applies.

 

[Uthuriel]

Yes there is.
Every time any dev makes them optional, they are literally only potential at that point.

That happens by player decision. There are many games where all LIs are rejectable. That doesn't mean they're "optional".

You really are naive...

Maybe you're right about that one.

It would explain why most devs write like first graders. They don't do any prep work.
Then their writing and characters feels shallow and the story empty.

That's why if you're a smart dev you write the story and characters FIRST then you get to the coding and the rest.

So in your eyes, the women must be single and probably virgins too... Otherwise they've already been ruined by virtue of the fact that if they're not single, they've most likely been having sex with their partner and who knows how many before them too.
If they are single and not a virgin, then the same thing applies.

I never said any of that.

 

[Snugglepuff]

That happens by player decision. There are many games where all LIs are rejectable. That doesn't mean they're "optional".

That literally means they are optional... The player is presented with the option for the MC and those optional LI's to have either sexual relations, get into a relationship, or not!

Maybe you're right about that one.

It would explain why most devs write like first graders. They don't do any prep work.
Then their writing and characters feels shallow and the story empty.

What's even worse is the devs who only have an idea of what they want to happen with some characters, but let "Patreon Bucks" dictate events.

I never said any of that.

No, you did not explicitly say that. What you wrote has the implication of that though.
That's why it's important to be clear and explicit in what you write, leaving as little room as possible for misinterpretation.

However, what I wrote is entirely based on some of the most asinine things I've seen people say with all honesty on these forums.

 

[starbright2]

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[SonsOfLiberty]

The Roommate [v0.11.04] [togs]

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[Pr0GamerJohnny]

The thing that the people that are into the NTR/sharing stuff don't understand is that, to the people that dislike it, the why and the how don't make a difference, the fact that it leads to the girl sleeping with other guys supersedes all of it. So the reason we say it's all the same is because it all results in LIs having sex with others, while the differences boil down to details that we litterally could not care less.

Huh i'd say the crowd into it understand this perfectly well, and that's precisely why it's mocked or ridiculed or the opinion not given any weight. Pretty much what snugglepiff said above.

That happens by player decision. There are many games where all LIs are rejectable. That doesn't mean they're "optional".

That's exactly what optional means. As in, you have the option of pursuing them, as opposed to you being compelled to pursue them.

The reason in my eyes why the whole ntr definition thing/loud crowd of complainers (or normal people non-cucks from their eyes) is so pernicious is it forces every avn to be these stale flat worlds with no nuance or depth.

One might say: "But PGJ, what does nuance or depth have to do with possibly watching a girl take other dick?" It's a reasonable question, but one needs to keep in mind 1) The real world has tons of interweaving relationships, this is the default - people get married and divorced, they make up and break up, they maintain boundaries and break boundaries, and 2), porn games in general tend provide visual representations of intimate occurrences rather than just describing them.

When you put 1 & 2 together, this means any porn game depicting something at all resembling real life is going to have elements the ntr screamers object to. The total lack of these elements makes games feel linear and boring.

 

[privitude]

Only thing what I don't understand is, why using words of a foregin language to describe, cheating, sharing, etc. etc.

For the same reason we use words like entrepreneur: we didn't have our own word for it and the foreign became sufficiently known to render the need to invent one.

 

[privitude]

i can't lean new things ... and i'm the one that needs help

You made a typo in the sentence where you point out my typo. "I'm" should be capitalized. Not the kind of thing I'd usually point out, but since that's apparently what we're doing...

ok kid .. i'm done with this conversation ... so rant on

 

[xapican]

foreign became sufficiently known to render the need to invent one.

In the Hentai scene you mean ? entrepeneur; = business owner ; contractor It is hard to belive that a language that has one of the greatest amount of words don't have it for these but what do I know english is not even my native language.

 

[Twistty]

You made a typo in the sentence where you point out my typo. "I'm" should be capitalized. Not the kind of thing I'd usually point out, but since that's apparently what we're doing...



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Ok guys stop the trolling and NTR bullshit!!
This thread is about the game - not personal attacks!!!!

 

[WuzzyFuzzy]

Ok guys stop the trolling and NTR bullshit!!
This thread is about the game - not personal attacks!!!!

Attention! Twistty is putting his proverbial foot down. No more or we'll see Twistty become Twisted...and believe me, you don't want that.

 

[yilkin]

TheRoommate-0.11.04

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[Pr0GamerJohnny]

In the Hentai scene you mean ? entrepeneur; = business owner ; contractor It is hard to belive that a language that has one of the greatest amount of words don't have it for these but what do I know english is not even my native language.

No he was using examples of other english loan-words from other languages - like "macho" from spanish or "verboten" from german.

For the same reason we use words like entrepreneur: we didn't have our own word for it and the foreign became sufficiently known to render the need to invent one.

Except we DO have our own words for that stuff. netori and netorase aren't used because there are no english words to describe the same, they're used because as I theorized before a bulk of the avn community is still anime obsessed.

Anyways, the other guy is right this is a silly side tangent, the far bigger issues with "The Roommate" are the lack of properly functioning branches, conditions remembering prior choices, and overall progression.