VN Ren'Py The Singer [v0.75 Part 2] [IntensiveCareGames]

[Kadajko]

BDSM POV is simple: if and whenever I CAN DENY SMUG ASSHOLES ANY SATISFACTION - this brings me satisfaction.
The thrill is all about MAKING SURE THE ASSHOLE I HATE GETS SHUT DOWN ALL THE TIME.

You cannot do that because your girlfriend still gives a smug asshole a blowjob without any choices to steer her away from it.

NTR path is also simple: I WANNA BE HUMILIATED AND make sure ALL MORONIC ASSHOLES GET THEIR WAY.

You cannot do that either, because everyone and their mother sucks MC's dick without any choices to steer him away from it.

 

[boulimanus]

[random stuff]
I wouldn't be opposed to seeing sex scene between MC's only and denying everyone else if I could have a unique loyal storyline.

It seems you need to look up the definition of 'later', 'some' & 'choice' in a dictionary.

As for the storyline, you don't get to decide it, the dev does and such loyal path has clearly never been in the plans. There's even a highlighted warning in the OP.

 

[Slick Bean]

sex scene between MC's only and denying everyone else if I could have a unique loyal storyline.

Are you saying there is no hope of that actually happening in this new 0.56 update?

 

[MrBenny]

There are two or three different paths but basically, if she catches you cheating or you treat her poorly she gives in to the sexual harassment she experiences and probably even enjoys it. If you are faithful and treat her well she resists the advances but may succumb to blackmail or coercion so fidelity on her part is never assured. A "good ending" may even be possible but given the pressure she is under to advance her career and to have that success depend on untrustworthy people with bad intentions... something has to give.

I'm just reviewing through the posts to learn more about this project. And so is this story kind of like the NTR version of Melody (she cheats or is forced to have sex with others regardless of what MC does)?

With the Melody title, at least if MC stayed faithful, Mel would as well...to them having a happy ending. Well from what I remember playing that title years ago.

 

[Kadajko]

As for the storyline, you don't get to decide it, the dev does and such loyal path has clearly never been in the plans. There's even a highlighted warning in the OP.

That is fine, like I said, I like NTR too. I am criticizing choices and stats system, it is useless and redundant. This should've been a kinetic novel. If choices are not meaningful it is better to not include them at all, game without choices is better than a game with meaningless choices. It is not just this game, I am getting vocal about this because it is getting tiresome, there are a lot of devs that offer meaningless choices in their game in an attempt to make the game more sophisticated, which instead comes out as a ''fuck you'' to the players that get hyped that they have a choice when it comes out that actually there are no choices and it is just an illusion.

 

[Kadajko]

Are you saying there is no hope of that actually happening in this new 0.56 update?

After both MC's cheat on each other? What is the point? I already played through the update.

 

[Takkertje]

The Singer [v0.56] [IntensiveCareGames]

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JHC!
Have you got your gear automated or something like that?
Your even faster than Lucky Luke.

 

[boulimanus]

That is fine, like I said, I like NTR too. I am criticizing choices and stats system, it is useless and redundant. This should've been a kinetic novel. If choices are not meaningful it is better to not include them at all, game without choices is better than a game with meaningless choices. It is not just this game, I am getting vocal about this because it is getting tiresome, there are a lot of devs that offer meaningless choices in their game in an attempt to make the game more sophisticated, which instead comes out as a ''fuck you'' to the players that get hyped that they have a choice when it comes out that actually there are no choices and it is just an illusion.

I do agree no choice is better than illusion of choice.
And I've played some games that fit that bill. But it's rather funny how you called an all or nothing game, 'actual choice'. That's where your confusion shows, or maybe your frustration right this moment is making you temporarily unable to consider things.
(probably is that, the update was a bit underwhelming after such a long wait...)

Choices in this game may be meaningless to you but they are not in absolute terms. Getting sodomised or not might seem a minor shade to you, but I'm sure a lot of people would disagree.

I'm curious, do you comment on 'gay/lesbian' only games and ask for a 'real' choice of straight path, or vice versa?
Yes I think we should ask for a gay option for the MC here. It's just an illusion of choice otherwise with all this straight meaningless nonsense.

There are an infinite number of paths any story can take. There is only a finite number of words and pictures a game can have.
The loyal path simply didn't make the cut in this game (or so it seems for now).

 

[Kadajko]

I do agree no choice is better than illusion of choice.

Yes, this is not a bad game, just suffering from the meaningless choices. If it would become a kinetic novel instead it would be much better.

But it's rather funny how you called an all or nothing game, 'actual choice'. That's where your confusion shows, or maybe your frustration right this moment is making you temporarily unable to consider things.

This is a porn game and what matters is - who you fuck. Because that also unironically exists - porn games that ask if you want to eat cereal or pancakes for breakfast but then don't ask you who you want to fuck. This game asks the player who they want to fuck very scarcely, so it is better to not to ask at all. Proper choice is - all sexual content should be optional, that is the most important choice anyone cares about in a porn game - sexual content choice. If you don't want to offer that, if you want to tell the story that you want, that is absolutely fine, there is nothing wrong with that. Make it a kinetic novel and tell the story that you want to tell, don't ask for the player input. Don't ask the player if they want to see less or more sexual content, the answer is obvious.

I'm curious, do you comment on 'gay/lesbian' only games and ask for a 'real' choice of straight path, or vice versa?

No, the choice is sexual content that you get with every character present in the game.

What happens in this game is this: both MC's cheat on each other, and then the game asks you: ''Do you want to see more or less cheating?'' And the answer is obvious, since they already cheated you want to maximize the sexual content you can see, since they are already on the cheating path. I have absolutely no clue, why you would choose to see less sexual content in a porn game. That is not a choice.

If this is a game about cheating, that is fine, then make choices about the sexual content like: ''Do you want to see doggy or missionary?'' That is the choice that is offered in fuckboy / slut simulators.

 

[JaszMan]

Very good looking story. Personally though too bad I can't skip the douche boyfriend perspective.

 

[Jeansjaulet03]

Does anyone know if Carl has retaliated against Thomas yet?

 

[Slick Bean]

Are you saying that watching vilainous Carl dreams and scenes all the time
or slut jess totally inconsequential filler scenes fill your heart?

Very good looking story

At least the boyfriend meets new girls who are not Carl sluts,
that has to count for something.

Does anyone know if Carl has retaliated against Thomas yet?

Not yet.

 

[boulimanus]

If it would become a kinetic novel instead it would be much better.
[...]
Proper choice is - all sexual content should be optional, that is the most important choice anyone cares about in a porn game - sexual content choice.
[...]
Don't ask the player if they want to see less or more sexual content, the answer is obvious.
No, the choice is sexual content that you get with every character present in the game.
[...]
I have absolutely no clue, why you would choose to see less sexual content in a porn game. That is not a choice.
[...]
If this is a game about cheating, that is fine, then make choices about the sexual content like: ''Do you want to see doggy or missionary?''

You know, we do get options of which position or where to cum in this one.

Now, Karl is in the game, so let's campaign to have the option for the MMC to take Karl's penis in his mouth or butt right? Surely everyone would say yes to more sexual content?

The options we get are decent.
Not having the choice to turn down everyone can be annoying, I give you that, but it's something that as the consumer of the product, we have to accept having no control on and demanding everything to be optional is not reasonable. And not having everything as a choice, does not make the game devoid of meaningful choices.
Don't even think about the conversations that could ensue with a proportion of the people complaining how the dev is wasting time on rendering bad scenes that would be better used on good scenes....

 

[Kadajko]

The options we get are decent.

No but you are joking..

Here is an example:

Lizzy ''path'' 1:
Tell her about Ria
Intervene
Compliment her
Have another coffee
Tell the truth

Outcome: MC gets a handjob / blowjob from Lizzy.

Lizzy ''path'' 2:
Tell a lie
Don't intervene
Don't compliment
Don't take another coffee
From the cheek

Outcome: MC gets a handjob / blowjob from Lizzy.

Five freaking choice, FIVE, that did absolutely nothing. Why are they there? Decent as fuck. This is not the only example.

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

JHC!
Have you got your gear automated or something like that?
Your even faster than Lucky Luke.

Eh, kind of, depends on the game to, if it does not contain lots of videos, they usually are super quick.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Is there actual swinging in the game or just cuckold content? Thank you.

Almost no swinging and almost no cuckold content, almost exclusively cheating.

It's a shame because I like the initial premise, it's a unique setup where yeah the girlfriend is likely a cheating thot, but the boyfriend's a lazy player who fucks around just as much. However, the dev seems incapable/unwilling to add anything like foursome scenes or orgies, the overall tonality is much closer to femprotag/ntr games than "party games" where everyone's fucking everyone.

 

[Saphfire]

Almost no swinging and almost no cuckold content, almost exclusively cheating.

Huh? So, why does the game have a ntr tag?

 

[boulimanus]

Five freaking choice, FIVE, that did absolutely nothing. Why are they there? Decent as fuck. This is not the only example.

Hey, if you want to look at examples that show sometimes choices are poorly done, you do you. Don't count on me to defend it.
(although maybe you should concentrate on that, and make suggestion on how to improve to the dev)

Me, I'll wait for you to come back to your own point about the game having no meaningful choices at all, whilst watching Ria getting with Todd or not depending on my choices, fucking in a public toilet or not, being creampied by a geriatric or not, being in a foursome or not, etc....

 

[Kadajko]

Me, I'll wait for you to come back to your own point of the game having no meaningful choices at all, whilst watching Ria getting with Todd or not depending on my choices, fucking in a public toilet or not, being in a foursome or not, etc....

Yes, technically it is a choice. You just have to ask yourself what do those choices accomplish. What kind of fantasy you want to live out in this game?

1) You can't live out a fantasy of a couple that is bombarded by attention from other people but resist the temptation and stay loyal to each other. Because they can't stay loyal.
2) You can't live out a fantasy of a couple who are in an open relationship and are experimenting with other people, sharing and are spicing up their sex life. Because both cannot be ok with each other having sex with others.
3) You can't live a fantasy of a guy who is a fuckboy that has a ''harem'' while his girlfriend is loyal to him. Because she also cheats on him.
4) You can't live out a fantasy of a cuck on whom the girlfriend cheats because he also cheats on her and gets plenty of action.

And the result of this is that choices basically just boil down to - which female model do you want the male model to fuck and which male model you want the female model to fuck. It is just a story about a bunch of sex and cheating and you choose the choice that will maximize the amount of sexual content you will get on the screen. And there is a meaningless stat system that is completely redundant. And that is also all mixed up with a LOT of ''choices'' that do nothing at all.

 

[JaszMan]

Are you saying that watching vilainous Carl dreams and scenes all the time
or slut jess totally inconsequential filler scenes fill your heart?

At least the boyfriend meets new girls who are not Carl sluts,
that has to count for something.

Not yet.

well doesn't the female MC's "fake" friend try to seduce.....scratch try, Seduces and manipulates the boyfriend to help Carl?.