Envoye

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Jul 12, 2021
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Hi Sinners !

Long time without writing and six months since last release. Time sure flies. This won't be a "happy" update for those who like the game, but I feel people liking The Theater deserve the transparency. It won't be sad either, just a tad disappointing.

1) The game is being developed. No buts. I still sit every day and write, do my renders and advance the story. It's fun.
2) I have enough content to make a release which would be roughly the same size as 0.3.alpha. Content is also pretty good IMO.

But here the disappointing part. There won't be any release in the short / mid term. Why is that ?

Mainly two reasons.

1. The release cycle makes the development of this game exponentially more complicated.

In typical release cycles you add enough content to make a release and keep your player base "happy". The content is linear and most of the story lines don't affect each other. The effort of writing is mostly linear, since the routes don't interact. I experienced this while writing Clara BitterSweet. Simple plot, only two character growths to explore (Clara, her dad), simple to write.

In the Theater of Sinners all stories are interleaved and there are certain milestones that need to happen. Those milestones require the participating character to have the appropriate state of mind to make the interaction "believable". Because the plot advances in several timelines and perspectives. I can't just freely write events which look good and call it a day, everything needs to be cohesive.

I have literally rewritten the event I am working on right now several times to make it fit future shown events. More than one month "lost". Not literally, since the event keeps growing (583 renders as today) and its quality improving. But it is a bit taxing having to discard good ideas because it breaks the already shown timeline.

So, this is the first reason. It makes my life as a story teller a bit more miserable, because I can't backtrack to a shown event and adapt it to the new ideas.

2. Motivation.

This is a hobby. I have been writing for myself since I was a very little kid and 'The Theater of Sinners' is an adaptation of some stories I had written long ago. Some sort of horror + love + sex genre if that's a thing. I added porn and made it a porn game because I like porn games and I was a bit disappointed in how games were kind of a collection of unrelated sexual events, a weird hentai'sh progression (hj, bj, sex, anal) or some cliche'ish relationship simulators with contextual stories. There are great games out there, don't get me wrong. Just not exactly what I was looking for.

At some point I got a bit greedy seeing how much some developers make. Blame the Steam boom =D Not the 'I want to make money out of this' kind, but the 'wouldn't it be nice if I could pay for some electricity bills' kind. I try aligning the greed with my own morals by not delivering 'promises' for money (which is how I understand subscription model) and opening 'Clara BitterSweet', a finished projects, for donations. That didn't go well, so I just accepted that this is a hobby that costs me money and moved on.

But that created the real issue. I am quite a "no fucks given" person. But I inadvertidly created a platform to measure the success of my own work. And let me tell you, it is bad =D Clara BitterSweet was fucking horrific but The Theater of Sinners is much worse (I am not talking about money, I am talking about clicks, etc). I could make ten thousand excuses as why... the genre, the style, the darkness. But the reality is they are both unpopular because of my own shortcomings and that's all. So even if knowing whether what I write is good or not won't stop me from writing. Knowing people don't give a fuck doesn't help my motivation to write publicly so to say =D

In fact, I noticed that after the last two releases I had several weeks were my writing was too dark and I would keep obsessing a little bit about the 'clicks or whatever'. I know it would start again if I were to release and I don't want to have to come to terms with the unpopularity again.

----

Well, this took much longer than I thought. I am a bit sorry for the people who like the Theater, since it will be still be a while until I release something. I will probably release the whole season one all together somewhen this year. A man can dream =D I am genuinely sorry for the people who like this and were waiting for a sooner release.

Topic tags and so on (regarding abandoned). This site has its own rules, so if the project is tagged so be it. No need to take my word if not willing too. It is plenty of threads with devs saying A but doing B actually, so I understand the general lack of trust.
Sad to hear, that you lost your motivation. But in one point I disagree: In my opinion, and I mentioned that a long time before, "Clara Bittersweet" is for me unfinished. It seems, that you are tired to produce more renders for the lewd scenes (motel) and the different endings, and started to tell them only texting.
It is your project, and we, your loyally fans (even if we never paid for your game), have to accept that. But for sure; I will never delete them. :)
 

GoblinSlayerZ

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Jun 22, 2024
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Hi Sinners !

Long time without writing and six months since last release. Time sure flies. This won't be a "happy" update for those who like the game, but I feel people liking The Theater deserve the transparency. It won't be sad either, just a tad disappointing.

1) The game is being developed. No buts. I still sit every day and write, do my renders and advance the story. It's fun.
2) I have enough content to make a release which would be roughly the same size as 0.3.alpha. Content is also pretty good IMO.

But here the disappointing part. There won't be any release in the short / mid term. Why is that ?

Mainly two reasons.

1. The release cycle makes the development of this game exponentially more complicated.

In typical release cycles you add enough content to make a release and keep your player base "happy". The content is linear and most of the story lines don't affect each other. The effort of writing is mostly linear, since the routes don't interact. I experienced this while writing Clara BitterSweet. Simple plot, only two character growths to explore (Clara, her dad), simple to write.

In the Theater of Sinners all stories are interleaved and there are certain milestones that need to happen. Those milestones require the participating character to have the appropriate state of mind to make the interaction "believable". Because the plot advances in several timelines and perspectives. I can't just freely write events which look good and call it a day, everything needs to be cohesive.

I have literally rewritten the event I am working on right now several times to make it fit future shown events. More than one month "lost". Not literally, since the event keeps growing (583 renders as today) and its quality improving. But it is a bit taxing having to discard good ideas because it breaks the already shown timeline.

So, this is the first reason. It makes my life as a story teller a bit more miserable, because I can't backtrack to a shown event and adapt it to the new ideas.

2. Motivation.

This is a hobby. I have been writing for myself since I was a very little kid and 'The Theater of Sinners' is an adaptation of some stories I had written long ago. Some sort of horror + love + sex genre if that's a thing. I added porn and made it a porn game because I like porn games and I was a bit disappointed in how games were kind of a collection of unrelated sexual events, a weird hentai'sh progression (hj, bj, sex, anal) or some cliche'ish relationship simulators with contextual stories. There are great games out there, don't get me wrong. Just not exactly what I was looking for.

At some point I got a bit greedy seeing how much some developers make. Blame the Steam boom =D Not the 'I want to make money out of this' kind, but the 'wouldn't it be nice if I could pay for some electricity bills' kind. I try aligning the greed with my own morals by not delivering 'promises' for money (which is how I understand subscription model) and opening 'Clara BitterSweet', a finished projects, for donations. That didn't go well, so I just accepted that this is a hobby that costs me money and moved on.

But that created the real issue. I am quite a "no fucks given" person. But I inadvertidly created a platform to measure the success of my own work. And let me tell you, it is bad =D Clara BitterSweet was fucking horrific but The Theater of Sinners is much worse (I am not talking about money, I am talking about clicks, etc). I could make ten thousand excuses as why... the genre, the style, the darkness. But the reality is they are both unpopular because of my own shortcomings and that's all. So even if knowing whether what I write is good or not won't stop me from writing. Knowing people don't give a fuck doesn't help my motivation to write publicly so to say =D

In fact, I noticed that after the last two releases I had several weeks were my writing was too dark and I would keep obsessing a little bit about the 'clicks or whatever'. I know it would start again if I were to release and I don't want to have to come to terms with the unpopularity again.

----

Well, this took much longer than I thought. I am a bit sorry for the people who like the Theater, since it will be still be a while until I release something. I will probably release the whole season one all together somewhen this year. A man can dream =D I am genuinely sorry for the people who like this and were waiting for a sooner release.

Topic tags and so on (regarding abandoned). This site has its own rules, so if the project is tagged so be it. No need to take my word if not willing too. It is plenty of threads with devs saying A but doing B actually, so I understand the general lack of trust.
I am willing to wait for this game to be continued and finish. I hope you regain the motivation to do so. Definitely take your time on this.
 

GolfSierraArt

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Nov 18, 2021
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Hey, I just log in to drop a quick thanks to all of you. I should thumbs up all comments but I am lazy.

Cat ears ? Well, that was a parallel timeline.

Anyway since I am here, I'll drop some renders because why not.


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Hi, i was wondering if you need some support, like you know the rendering time. i said that because i can help if you want, i would loved that. let me know
 

Buletti

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Nov 7, 2023
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Hi, i was wondering if you need some support, like you know the rendering time. i said that because i can help if you want, i would loved that. let me know
That is very nice of you. Did you contact the dev via DM as well? Just another touchpoint.
 
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Buletti

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Nov 7, 2023
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Holy shit, no news or way to contact him, this is giving me a bad feeling, since he still doesn't have the abandoned tag, I hope it's a sign that he's still in contact with the page.
Well, last time he came here in April this year. So I still beleave.

He just has no deadlines like other devs who want to earn money with this.

Let us not loose hope! The Story deserves to get finished. The dev knows that :)

Hey, I just log in to drop a quick thanks to all of you. I should thumbs up all comments but I am lazy.

Cat ears ? Well, that was a parallel timeline.

Anyway since I am here, I'll drop some renders because why not.


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Birdnman993

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Dec 6, 2021
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Ok, yeah, this is rather unique, I rarely see such nuanced domination/submission, at least between the main cast (the side characters feel like caricatures). This story deserves to be finished indeed.
Without a doubt, I have said before that not continuing with the story of these characters would be a crime, they are really unique, but the creator is missing, but we are still waiting for his return.
 

JJVOODOO

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Nov 4, 2017
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I don't normally go for this kind of stuff but its good to branch out every now and again, that being said this is just depressing, im really not sure i can finish it. no shade to the creator or anyone who does enjoy it (different strokes for different folks) but does it at any point get any less dark? i can only read about the downward spiral of some ones life for so long. that being said the writing is objectively quite good, obvious that the creator is a writer at heart.
 

Ezekyus

Newbie
Oct 23, 2024
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hello,
Sorry for the bad English. This is not my language. I use a translator.
I just discovered both games.
theater of sinner (and Clara Bittersweet Day too) is a very good game.
it's not the bad domination and submission that we often see and which ultimately is just classic porn.
It's finer.
The main protagonists are well developed.
The models are really cool.
it's well written.
I hope to see the rest soon!!
a small "criticism" (and still not necessary) is the lack of music. But it must be complicated (finding the right one or making it).
I played with the ears of the "power electronics" (Sutcliffe Jügend and Grunt) and the "death industrial" (Atrax Morgue) and it went well.
eagerly for news.
Bye
 

Ezekyus

Newbie
Oct 23, 2024
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hello,
I have a question? are there games in the same genre?
I'm not just talking about submission or humiliation. the narrative "I discover sex, it's too much and I submit to everyone" thank you that's okay, that's not it. neither and often in the same games, it is considered that he has humiliating practices compared to others......pfff..... personally it is not the practice which is humiliating it is the context in which they take place.
If anyone knows a game like the two from #justXthing .I already know "Tales from the Deep: Eve"
if it exists
THANKS
 

Buletti

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Nov 7, 2023
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hello,
I have a question? are there games in the same genre?
I'm not just talking about submission or humiliation. the narrative "I discover sex, it's too much and I submit to everyone" thank you that's okay, that's not it. neither and often in the same games, it is considered that he has humiliating practices compared to others......pfff..... personally it is not the practice which is humiliating it is the context in which they take place.
If anyone knows a game like the two from #justXthing .I already know "Tales from the Deep: Eve"
if it exists
THANKS
Hmmm, sorry mate, I don't really understand what you mean.

If you look for a similar hopeless vibe maybe you can try Project Myriam. You can humiliate the MC here quiet a bit.

If you want an experiment, take a look at Holly smiles at the end.
 
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