Ren'Py Abandoned The Tyrant [v0.9.6] [Saddoggames]

[Thermophob]

Steve and Frank are irrelevant only because there are not scenes...

Frank have only the pub scene and some "irrlevant" in his Tanshop and in the NTR weekend with Cassandra but the Frank scenes are very disconnect with the story...

in any case i love this game.. but should be better.. like the SAZ mod is!
https://f95zone.to/threads/the-tyrant-s-a-z-mod-update-0-8-5-mod-a-s-a-z.18297/
the version 8.5 modified by SAZ is a game well written and there are also new content that are not in this version...
I'm really waiting for the SAZ MOD 0.9.1 because i'm sure that will comes with better game playing..

I really think that Saddoggames + SAZ mod is a win/win collaboration (even if SAZ is very slow too)
but i'm not complaining about delay time
I just think that this game + SAZMODDing will be the best

Dude, I was going to write long response, then it just clicked... in story as we have Steve has no role ate all. Also, NTR is one third of game and saddog has to work on rest of game. I personally, don't give flying fuck about NTR, as far as I can ignore it completely.
Besides, SAZ is good guy, and hardworking, but I doubt he can really help saddog, because:
1) Saddog is better artist than him.
2) Saddog is amateur coder, and SAZ is not a coder at all. Basic problem of this game is because saddog is to busy with his job, and when he is not, his coding skills don't measure up to complex design of this game.
3) Game is almost finished anyway...

 

[AtotehZ]

Dude, I was going to write long response, then it just clicked... in story as we have Steve has no role ate all. Also, NTR is one third of game and saddog has to work on rest of game. I personally, don't give flying fuck about NTR, as far as I can ignore it completely.
Besides, SAZ is good guy, and hardworking, but I doubt he can really help saddog, because:
1) Saddog is better artist than him.
2) Saddog is amateur coder, and SAZ is not a coder at all. Basic problem of this game is because saddog is to busy with his job, and when he is not, his coding skills don't measure up to complex design of this game.
3) Game is almost finished anyway...

I don't think that's all fair. I admit I don't know how good they are compared to others as I know nothing about either coding or being an artist, but.. What needs to be done is very similar to what has already been done and they'll both only get better and better at it.
Many of the flaws that showed themselves, came about when it was changed to a sandbox game. It's mostly fixed now and Saddog has had a long sabbatical due to other issues, like job and Covid-19, I hope he gets back into it though.

 

[Thermophob]

I don't think that's all fair. I admit I don't know how good they are compared to others as I know nothing about either coding or being an artist, but.. What needs to be done is very similar to what has already been done and they'll both only get better and better at it.

Look, I follow this game for two years, so I think I have some idea about it's development. I didn't think anything bad about either of them. But, like I said, Saddog has problems with coding his complex designs, not with rendering.

 

[AtotehZ]

Look, I follow this game for two years, so I think I have some idea about it's development. I didn't think anything bad about either of them. But, like I said, Saddog has problems with coding his complex designs, not with rendering.

I'm sure you're right about that. I just think it's in a place now where they can fill on a lot more of the same without it being detrimental in any way. Which means they can use a lot of past experiences for future content.

 

[Thermophob]

I'm sure you're right about that. I just think it's in a place now where they can fill on a lot more of the same without it being detrimental in any way. Which means they can use a lot of past experiences for future content.

PS, I just noticed something.
Tyrant was never changed into sandbox game. It was a sandbox game from the very start. In fact, his first game was sandbox one. Less complex for sure, but still sandbox. Also, I won't comment any further on SAZ. If you really think he can help to saddog, you can write to either of them.

 

[AtotehZ]

PS, I just noticed something.
Tyrant was never changed into sandbox game. It was a sandbox game from the very start. In fact, his first game was sandbox one. Less complex for sure, but still sandbox. Also, I won't comment any further on SAZ. If you really think he can help to saddog, you can write to either of them.

Not gonna comment on that either. I think they work fine apart.

 

[defd©™]

I don't think that's all fair. I admit I don't know how good they are compared to others as I know nothing about either coding or being an artist, but.. What needs to be done is very similar to what has already been done and they'll both only get better and better at it.
Many of the flaws that showed themselves, came about when it was changed to a sandbox game. It's mostly fixed now and Saddog has had a long sabbatical due to other issues, like job and Covid-19, I hope he gets back into it though.

It is not only Steve that is completely missing

at the start there was a lot of people that think to save Steve ...

also
Irina
Katie
Vivian this is really funny because after you meet with Vivian and she want that Sam becomes the leader of the gang...
When the day after Sam goes to the pub Vivian she completely forgot about who is Sam
Always they act as Vivian will never met sam at basement

I can also cite the rival gang wher Nicole meet at the first date

the rival gang is only for one scene

are you sure that this game is so near to the end?

I hope NO

 

[javikaston]

yeah but he hasn't released anything for a month and a half and what he did release was like 10 mins of game.

 

[defd©™]

yeah but he hasn't released anything for a month and a half and what he did release was like 10 mins of game.

The time required is not a problem
The story is good and must be finished
Even if it requires 2 years or more. As always in a good game

 

[javikaston]

amen

 

[defd©™]

All good games get many years completed... other devs also update after 3 months only 5 minutes of the story... this is usual

 

[defd©™]

Dude, I was going to write long response, then it just clicked... in story as we have Steve has no role ate all. Also, NTR is one third of game and saddog has to work on rest of game. I personally, don't give flying fuck about NTR, as far as I can ignore it completely.
Besides, SAZ is good guy, and hardworking, but I doubt he can really help saddog, because:
1) Saddog is better artist than him.
2) Saddog is amateur coder, and SAZ is not a coder at all. Basic problem of this game is because saddog is to busy with his job, and when he is not, his coding skills don't measure up to complex design of this game.
3) Game is almost finished anyway...

Anyway I’m happy for saddog the get about 2000 bucks every month related to his Patreon and I’m sure that he will be able to fix the issue of the game

But the SAZ version is better
The structure of the game is very good in the saz mod

I think saddog ... the code of SAZ version is better

Saddog for the story and render is great

About NTR this game comes with a dark side the match perfect with the story line
Avoiding ntr in this game is not good and you will lose more than NTR... because the story is a DARK story.
This point is well written in the start of the game.
Nicole is the main female character and avoiding NTR will not help to understand the story...

If you do not want NTR just got flowers every day to the girls.

But SAZ is required for the code structure

 

[Thermophob]

But SAZ is required for the code structure

Making a mods like SAZ's one doesn't require any programming skills (aka coding). Again, I don't mean any disrespect to guy who is working hard to include additionals content in the game. But, you know what, it's 1 AM, and you obvously don't understand what I am taking about, so have a good night.

 

[defd©™]

So why the SAZ version is better?
And why it requires so long to be codified?

 

[defd©™]

Making a mods like SAZ's one doesn't require any programming skills (aka coding). Again, I don't mean any disrespect to guy who is working hard to include additionals content in the game. But, you know what, it's 1 AM, and you obvously don't understand what I am taking about, so have a good night.
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Making a mods like SAZ's one doesn't require any programming skills (aka coding). Again, I don't mean any disrespect to guy who is working hard to include additionals content in the game. But, you know what, it's 1 AM, and you obvously don't understand what I am taking about, so have a good night.

SAZ version is better
And it is on developments
There are more animations...
No animation in this version...
Saddog games do not have any animation
And the game playing is far better
There is also a good walkthrough .... much better than in the original
Good night

 

[Thermophob]

So why the SAZ version is better?
And why it requires so long to be codified?

Look, I have said you don't know what I wanted to say, but I will try once more.
First, Saddog has some experience in coding with python. He already made one less complicated game. He went this time with far more sophisticated project, and it works, not always perfectly, but he goes, and will hopefully finish it. He is not profesional programmer but he has some experience. Few years, even as hobby, is still some experience.
SAZ's mod is primarily focused on introduction of new content, primarily fan art. Yes, he has some knowledge of python coding, but from what I have seen, it's mostly from work on this mod, for last few months. It's of course ok, and more then I know about python, but it's less experience than what Saddog has, and it's not enough to deal with complicated things Saddog envisioned, but has problems with producing it in code.
If you don't understand the difference... well...
PS; codified and coded are rather different things.

 

[defd©™]

The SAZ version adds about 2gb of extra contents related to animations

 

[defd©™]

Look, I have said you don't know what I wanted to say, but I will try once more.
First, Saddog has some experience in coding with python. He already made one less complicated game. He went this time with far more sophisticated project, and it works, not always perfectly, but he goes, and will hopefully finish it. He is not profesional programmer but he has some experience. Few years, even as hobby, is still some experience.
SAZ's mod is primarily focused on introduction of new content, primarily fan art. Yes, he has some knowledge of python coding, but from what I have seen, it's mostly from work on this mod, for last few months. It's of course ok, and more then I know about python, but it's less experience than what Saddog has, and it's not enough to deal with complicated things Saddog envisioned, but has problems with producing it in code.
If you don't understand the difference... well...
PS; codified and coded are rather different things.

I love saddog
I just say that ... this. Game requires also SAZ skill with Animations...

I love saddog story
I love this game

But requires some help to be better

 

[defd©™]

I love this game because I have start to play with SAZ’s mod... 8.5 version ...
So I have to restart the 09.1 game bc the saves are not compatible....
SAZ version is better.

 

[Knight2416]

people comparing 2 devs with different MO,s and roles is a little silly.

1) Saddog started this project and gets paid to do it. His concept was a great plan, great images but story was all over the show. Also as getting paid, he tries to set deadlines, but hard to do with RL when this is not your job.

SAZ does it as a labor of love (aka for Free) as he loved the concept, but wanted a better story flow. HE works a RL job and does this when he has time

2) Saddog did a linear style game then for this project wanted a sandbox style, this is a very different way to code a game and some of the code causes a lot of errors, like clothes as he learns. Big point still not abandoned (i hope).

SAZ did use base code up until about version 7 (ish) then due to above clothes he split to a non instruive Mod instead of overwriting Core game. (if you think he is coping i suggest you do a Diff between core game and mod).
SAZ added a ton of more story and split the NTR into 4 versions after requests from others, the extra images are his and from the Fan art thread. Animation is from another person and installed as an add on.

3) Saddog did built a cheat menu and UI that works.

SAZ made a completely new cheat menu and UI.

4) Saddog is know to go incommunicado for weeks and the odd month, which as people pay him is a little odd but seem to work as still gets paid.

SAZ until COVID was always answering questions within 24hr of post and marking posts he read. Provides updates when he has something to update.

I respect saddog for starting and not abandoning the game like others do, and cerating the characters, renders and core story we all love.

I love S A Z 's version for additional ways to play and extras he added (I like the UI, but not for everyone).

Both these coders deserve a round of appreciation for this world of Tyrant esp for those like me that are not paying anything for the game.